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How so? Even the "greatest" parent in the world doesn't have direct control over what their children do. you claim that Jesus had no connection or had anything to do with his child...will you treat your child the same? I said, to their actions. Not specifically to them, but nice try Funches. A for effort. that's what I meant...if you believe that a parent have no direct control over their children actions...then you shouldn't have any How could they? Please elaborate how a parent totally 100% controls a child. Yes, they tell them when to go to bed... but even just once they are in their rooms, how does the parent know or have any control over what they really do? That's why there are some kids that run away, some kids are in wannabe "gangs", and so forth. And these children in question may be children of parents who help food shelters, give homes to the homeless, ect. Again, how can a parent control 100% of what a child does? *yes I know this isn't 100% religious discussion, but it goes hand in hand with what we are talking about.* |
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Alien beasts? I know not of one nor do I worship any. Alien - Belonging to a foreign country or nation This world was created by God, this is not a "foreign" planet to God. This is his planet. was those Three Beings born on the same planet you were born on...are those three beings also Flesh and Blood ....that's why they are Aliens Again, what are you talking about? No they were not born from the same planet, they were not born lol. God was not created. He has always been and will always be. He has no beginning and end. He is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and there will be no after God. And no they are not aliens to this planet, for again they created this planet. if they are not born on the same planet as you...that constitute an alien You're getting really good at not listening, God was not "born". God was not created. He has no starting point. He IS the beginning. There was no before God. |
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The "Holy Spirit" is not a being in it's own. The Holy Spirit is God's Holy Spirit. It's not a third party. so your belief only worship two Alien Beings No, I worship one God. you stated that God is a title...do you worship a title or do you worship the two beings? I worship God the father through worshiping Jesus. John 14:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Exodus 20 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. |
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How so? Even the "greatest" parent in the world doesn't have direct control over what their children do. you claim that Jesus had no connection or had anything to do with his child...will you treat your child the same? I said, to their actions. Not specifically to them, but nice try Funches. A for effort. that's what I meant...if you believe that a parent have no direct control over their children actions...then you shouldn't have any How could they? Please elaborate how a parent totally 100% controls a child. Yes, they tell them when to go to bed... but even just once they are in their rooms, how does the parent know or have any control over what they really do? That's why there are some kids that run away, some kids are in wannabe "gangs", and so forth. And these children in question may be children of parents who help food shelters, give homes to the homeless, ect. Again, how can a parent control 100% of what a child does? *yes I know this isn't 100% religious discussion, but it goes hand in hand with what we are talking about.* all I said is if you are going to complain about how you lack control over your children because of "Free WIll" ...then don't have them if you do decide to use your "Free Will" to have them....then you are responsible for placing the little Hellions on the planet just as Jesus is responsible for placing Satan on the planet but then again no one has ever told of anything Satan has done that was worst than anything that Jesus have done |
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Alien beasts? I know not of one nor do I worship any. Alien - Belonging to a foreign country or nation This world was created by God, this is not a "foreign" planet to God. This is his planet. was those Three Beings born on the same planet you were born on...are those three beings also Flesh and Blood ....that's why they are Aliens Again, what are you talking about? No they were not born from the same planet, they were not born lol. God was not created. He has always been and will always be. He has no beginning and end. He is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and there will be no after God. And no they are not aliens to this planet, for again they created this planet. if they are not born on the same planet as you...that constitute an alien You're getting really good at not listening, God was not "born". God was not created. He has no starting point. He IS the beginning. There was no before God. can you say the same about yourself?....that's why they are Aliens |
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How so? Even the "greatest" parent in the world doesn't have direct control over what their children do. you claim that Jesus had no connection or had anything to do with his child...will you treat your child the same? I said, to their actions. Not specifically to them, but nice try Funches. A for effort. that's what I meant...if you believe that a parent have no direct control over their children actions...then you shouldn't have any How could they? Please elaborate how a parent totally 100% controls a child. Yes, they tell them when to go to bed... but even just once they are in their rooms, how does the parent know or have any control over what they really do? That's why there are some kids that run away, some kids are in wannabe "gangs", and so forth. And these children in question may be children of parents who help food shelters, give homes to the homeless, ect. Again, how can a parent control 100% of what a child does? *yes I know this isn't 100% religious discussion, but it goes hand in hand with what we are talking about.* all I said is if you are going to complain about how you lack control over your children because of "Free WIll" ...then don't have them if you do decide to use your "Free Will" to have them....then you are responsible for placing the little Hellions on the planet just as Jesus is responsible for placing Satan on the planet but then again no one has ever told of anything Satan has done that was worst than anything that Jesus have done Again, what are you talking about? Elaborate please. all I said is if you are going to complain about how you lack control over your children because of "Free WIll" ...then don't have them lol, I complained about nothing. And again, tell me who has 100% control over their children in everything they do? just as Jesus is responsible for placing Satan on the planet Point being? Just because Jesus placed him here, doesn't mean he caused him to do the actions he has done or is responsible for the actions thereof. Satan has done them, he is totally accountable for the actions he has done or not done. Which he will pay for in the end. So again what's your point? |
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I worship God the father through worshiping Jesus. right...you worship two Aliens Beings with Earth names and how is there two beings....are they part of a race of such alien beings? |
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Alien beasts? I know not of one nor do I worship any. Alien - Belonging to a foreign country or nation This world was created by God, this is not a "foreign" planet to God. This is his planet. was those Three Beings born on the same planet you were born on...are those three beings also Flesh and Blood ....that's why they are Aliens Again, what are you talking about? No they were not born from the same planet, they were not born lol. God was not created. He has always been and will always be. He has no beginning and end. He is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and there will be no after God. And no they are not aliens to this planet, for again they created this planet. if they are not born on the same planet as you...that constitute an alien You're getting really good at not listening, God was not "born". God was not created. He has no starting point. He IS the beginning. There was no before God. can you say the same about yourself?....that's why they are Aliens Again, how are they aliens? God CREATED the world. It is not a foreign place to him. An alien is a being in a foreign area/place. This area/place we call Earth is not foreign to God for he created it. |
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I worship God the father through worshiping Jesus. right...you worship two Aliens Beings with Earth names and how is there two beings....are they part of a race of such alien beings? I worship no aliens lol. Again an alien is a being at a foreign location. This planet is not foreign to God, for he is the one that created it. It is his. It is not a strange land he just stumbled across. |
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lol, I complained about nothing. And again, tell me who has 100% control over their children in everything they do? don't the Father have 100 percent control over Jesus? Point being? Just because Jesus placed him here, doesn't mean he caused him to do the actions he has done or is responsible for the actions thereof. Satan has done them, he is totally accountable for the actions he has done or not done. Which he will pay for in the end. So again what's your point?
again exactly what did Satan do that Jesus don't want to take responsiblity for? |
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I worship no aliens lol. Again an alien is a being at a foreign location. aren't those two alien beings in Heaven? ... |
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lol, I complained about nothing. And again, tell me who has 100% control over their children in everything they do? don't the Father have 100 percent control over Jesus? Point being? Just because Jesus placed him here, doesn't mean he caused him to do the actions he has done or is responsible for the actions thereof. Satan has done them, he is totally accountable for the actions he has done or not done. Which he will pay for in the end. So again what's your point?
again exactly what did Satan do that Jesus don't want to take responsiblity for? don't the Father have 100 percent control over Jesus? Not specifically, Jesus did the will of the father out of love. Just as we obey Jesus out of love. Not because he directly ordered us to or anything of that nature. That's why we will have a "judgement" and not specifically a sentencing. That's why he offers forgiveness for sins done. That's not saying someone could go around killing people with the thought "ah, it's ok. God will forgive me". It's about true heartedly seeking that forgiveness of mistakes and thus why it's a "judgement" and not a sentencing. again exactly what did Satan do that Jesus don't want to take responsiblity for? Doesn't want to take responsibility for? Funches, what are you talking about? lol. That kind of question makes it appear he is responsible and just doesn't wish to take the responsibility. But the actions Satan will be accountable for include but not limited to tempting people to steal things, kill, hurt someone physically and or emotionally, and so on. |
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I worship no aliens lol. Again an alien is a being at a foreign location. aren't those two alien beings in Heaven? ... I don't know what two "alien" beings you speak of. I never once referred to any "alien" beings. And I know nothing of any "alien" beings. |
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Not specifically, Jesus did the will of the father out of love. but yet he failed to do the same with Satan that his Father done for him...perhaps he didn't show the Love |
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Not specifically, Jesus did the will of the father out of love. but yet he failed to do the same with Satan that his Father done for him...perhaps he didn't show the Love ???? He failed to do the same with Satan that his father done for him? What are you talking about? God has done nothing to Satan not to show his love. Satan brought the destruction that will set upon himself by himself. It's not just some random whim God got to do to Satan. Satan earned it himself. First he earned being kicked out of Heaven by proclaiming to be greater, more glorious, and more powerful then God. Secondly he earned his inevitable destruction by doing the actions he does in the mean time. |
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But the actions Satan will be accountable for include but not limited to tempting people to steal things, kill, hurt someone physically and or emotionally, and so on. tempt people?...I thought you claim that people had "Free Will" ..even Jesus tempt people ok..let me give you an example...Jesus drown everyone in The Great Flood...ok now name something that Satan done that was worst |
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I worship no aliens lol. Again an alien is a being at a foreign location. aren't those two alien beings in Heaven? ... I don't know what two "alien" beings you speak of. I never once referred to any "alien" beings. And I know nothing of any "alien" beings. Heaven is a foreign place....whoever is up there are Aliens |
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But the actions Satan will be accountable for include but not limited to tempting people to steal things, kill, hurt someone physically and or emotionally, and so on. tempt people?...I thought you claim that people had "Free Will" ..even Jesus tempt people ok..let me give you an example...Jesus drown everyone in The Great Flood...ok now name something that Satan done that was worst But these people aren't "dead". Some of them may be, I know not what judgement each and everyone received due to their life styles. But this mortal body was born to die, it is not eternal as of now. Satan tempts people to do things that in the end will kill their soul, will kill them eternally. God offers life eternal. |
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I worship no aliens lol. Again an alien is a being at a foreign location. aren't those two alien beings in Heaven? ... I don't know what two "alien" beings you speak of. I never once referred to any "alien" beings. And I know nothing of any "alien" beings. Heaven is a foreign place....whoever is up there are Aliens Heaven is not a foreign place. Earth at the very most is the foreign place. We were originally created in the Garden of Eden where Heaven and "Earth" were united. Adam/Eve's sin/disobedience separate us from God and his glory. Jeremiah 1:5 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Before he formed us in the womb he knew us. Thus showing before we became mortal in this flesh God knew us. That means we were in another place other then Earth before he formed us in the flesh. Therefore Earth would be closer to a foreign land then Heaven is. |
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But these people aren't "dead". Some of them may be, the master of contradiction I know not what judgement each and everyone received due to their life styles. But this mortal body was born to die, it is not eternal as of now. Satan tempts people to do things that in the end will kill their soul, will kill them eternally. God offers life eternal. if you claim that people have "Free Will"....then why do you keep trying to blame temptation....Jesus didn't tempt anyone if they wanted to be drowned...he just Drown them |
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