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Women have always been considered to be property (of men) and not much has changed even in today's modern world. Even today women are married off and traditionally the father gives her hand in marriage to the husband. She does not own herself. Yes this is tradition but it is ingrained into our modern society. Never had I even suspected this subconscious attitude until I was married (twice) and discovered an attitude coming from my "modern" husband(s) that I was property. If you are an independent woman and want to stay that way, I suggest you do not get married. Back in the Biblical days, it was almost required for a woman to be owned/married. I am sorry I ever got married. It was such a waste of time. I could have accomplished a lot in my life had I not wasted so much time married. Yes this is tradition but it is ingrained into our modern society. Never had I even suspected this subconscious attitude until I was married (twice) and discovered an attitude coming from my "modern" husband(s) that I was property. Women are not property persay. The father gives his daughter away to the husband. The father then holds no more responsibility over that woman and has given all responsibility over to the husband to make sure she has food, water, is taken care of in every way in that aspect, and is safe. Also you need to separate our "culture" of how this world/country is ran from it all. Cause by our society once someone is 18, their parents hold no more responsibility for them. That is not true. The parents are to ensure the child's safety and what not till the day they are dead. Thus when two are married, the dad gives this responsibility over to the husband. I know that women are not property. But if the father "gives" his daughter away to the husband that implies that the woman is property and assumes that she cannot take care of herself. She is like a pet that needs an owner to feed her and take care of her. Ridiculous. I would love to "separate our culture" from the old fashioned outdated religious traditions of 2000 years ago but guess what? The religions of the world keep shoving their crap onto society like it means something. It is time for change. The old religion is on its way out. It has no place in this culture so it needs to be gone. Traditions are meaningless and are still repeated like they mean something. Get rid of them. But if the father "gives" his daughter away to the husband that implies that the woman is property and assumes that she cannot take care of herself. She is like a pet that needs an owner to feed her and take care of her. Ridiculous. Aye, you're looking at it from the point of religion purely. It's not totally about "religion". When two are married, the woman leaves her family eg., her maiden name. And joins with the husbands family and thus why the woman changes her last name. Of course I am looking at it from the point of religion. That is what it is. That is what we are talking about. That is what this thread is about. Religion. Spiritual beliefs. The Bible. It is all about religion. A woman today does not "leave her family" and join her husbands family. That is traditional Biblical beliefs. It does not happen in this modern world. Ever here of Inlaws? So many times I see the woman's family supporting the woman's lasy husband who won't get a job, or raising their children he can't support. You are talking traditional Biblical ideas. That is not the reality of today's society. |
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I met a woman the other day who said she was the minister at a local Quaker church. So what about that? Have we abandoned the old testament yet? I hope so. Yes we have, the old testament/old covenant holds no power over us anymore. That is what Jesus came to fulfill, to complete, to bring to an end. If that were true, they the religions of the world would throw away the old testament and stop citing verses from it to justify their ridiculous religious ideas. And if that were true, there would be no connection between Jesus and the God of Abraham. The old testament is kept in the bibles for history. And better understand of the new testament, to understand the how's and why's of what has been done. And what do you mean there would be no connection between Jesus and the God of Abraham? Who do you think the God of Abraham is? Who do you think created this world? Who do you think created even man and woman. Jesus did. Jesus is the LORD God. It is also kept there for say the 7th Day Adventists. I have absolutely no idea why they believe the way they believe. But they do not believe Jesus to be the prophesied Son of God. They still follow the old testament/old covenant because they do not feel it's been fulfilled. They are still waiting for that promised messiah, which again they do not see Jesus as having been. I think you are talking about the Jews, not the 7th day Adventists. I could be wrong. I was unaware that they did not believe in Jesus. The Jews may as well. But the 7th day adventists do as well. They see Jesus as a "prophet" and not the promissed messiah. I have a 7th day adventist friend. I have 7th day Adventist friends too. I did not know this. This is news to me. I noticed only that they went to church on Saturday and that they were generally vegetarians and they eat very healthy and wash each other's feet. |
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Women have always been considered to be property (of men) and not much has changed even in today's modern world. Even today women are married off and traditionally the father gives her hand in marriage to the husband. She does not own herself. Yes this is tradition but it is ingrained into our modern society. Never had I even suspected this subconscious attitude until I was married (twice) and discovered an attitude coming from my "modern" husband(s) that I was property. If you are an independent woman and want to stay that way, I suggest you do not get married. Back in the Biblical days, it was almost required for a woman to be owned/married. I am sorry I ever got married. It was such a waste of time. I could have accomplished a lot in my life had I not wasted so much time married. Yes this is tradition but it is ingrained into our modern society. Never had I even suspected this subconscious attitude until I was married (twice) and discovered an attitude coming from my "modern" husband(s) that I was property. Women are not property persay. The father gives his daughter away to the husband. The father then holds no more responsibility over that woman and has given all responsibility over to the husband to make sure she has food, water, is taken care of in every way in that aspect, and is safe. Also you need to separate our "culture" of how this world/country is ran from it all. Cause by our society once someone is 18, their parents hold no more responsibility for them. That is not true. The parents are to ensure the child's safety and what not till the day they are dead. Thus when two are married, the dad gives this responsibility over to the husband. I know that women are not property. But if the father "gives" his daughter away to the husband that implies that the woman is property and assumes that she cannot take care of herself. She is like a pet that needs an owner to feed her and take care of her. Ridiculous. I would love to "separate our culture" from the old fashioned outdated religious traditions of 2000 years ago but guess what? The religions of the world keep shoving their crap onto society like it means something. It is time for change. The old religion is on its way out. It has no place in this culture so it needs to be gone. Traditions are meaningless and are still repeated like they mean something. Get rid of them. But if the father "gives" his daughter away to the husband that implies that the woman is property and assumes that she cannot take care of herself. She is like a pet that needs an owner to feed her and take care of her. Ridiculous. Aye, you're looking at it from the point of religion purely. It's not totally about "religion". When two are married, the woman leaves her family eg., her maiden name. And joins with the husbands family and thus why the woman changes her last name. Of course I am looking at it from the point of religion. That is what it is. That is what we are talking about. That is what this thread is about. Religion. Spiritual beliefs. The Bible. It is all about religion. A woman today does not "leave her family" and join her husbands family. That is traditional Biblical beliefs. It does not happen in this modern world. Ever here of Inlaws? So many times I see the woman's family supporting the woman's lasy husband who won't get a job, or raising their children he can't support. You are talking traditional Biblical ideas. That is not the reality of today's society. No not specifically talking about "todays" society. Heck, today's society isn't the same it was even 100 years ago and so on. I'm talking about the original purpose of marriage in or out of any affiliations with "religion". And you have to also keep in mind, women weren't' always as independent as they are now. It's only been fairly recently women have become indipendent, fairly recently in the comparison to the world. |
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Women have always been considered to be property (of men) and not much has changed even in today's modern world. Even today women are married off and traditionally the father gives her hand in marriage to the husband. She does not own herself. Yes this is tradition but it is ingrained into our modern society. Never had I even suspected this subconscious attitude until I was married (twice) and discovered an attitude coming from my "modern" husband(s) that I was property. If you are an independent woman and want to stay that way, I suggest you do not get married. Back in the Biblical days, it was almost required for a woman to be owned/married. I am sorry I ever got married. It was such a waste of time. I could have accomplished a lot in my life had I not wasted so much time married. Yes this is tradition but it is ingrained into our modern society. Never had I even suspected this subconscious attitude until I was married (twice) and discovered an attitude coming from my "modern" husband(s) that I was property. Women are not property persay. The father gives his daughter away to the husband. The father then holds no more responsibility over that woman and has given all responsibility over to the husband to make sure she has food, water, is taken care of in every way in that aspect, and is safe. Also you need to separate our "culture" of how this world/country is ran from it all. Cause by our society once someone is 18, their parents hold no more responsibility for them. That is not true. The parents are to ensure the child's safety and what not till the day they are dead. Thus when two are married, the dad gives this responsibility over to the husband. I know that women are not property. But if the father "gives" his daughter away to the husband that implies that the woman is property and assumes that she cannot take care of herself. She is like a pet that needs an owner to feed her and take care of her. Ridiculous. I would love to "separate our culture" from the old fashioned outdated religious traditions of 2000 years ago but guess what? The religions of the world keep shoving their crap onto society like it means something. It is time for change. The old religion is on its way out. It has no place in this culture so it needs to be gone. Traditions are meaningless and are still repeated like they mean something. Get rid of them. But if the father "gives" his daughter away to the husband that implies that the woman is property and assumes that she cannot take care of herself. She is like a pet that needs an owner to feed her and take care of her. Ridiculous. Aye, you're looking at it from the point of religion purely. It's not totally about "religion". When two are married, the woman leaves her family eg., her maiden name. And joins with the husbands family and thus why the woman changes her last name. Of course I am looking at it from the point of religion. That is what it is. That is what we are talking about. That is what this thread is about. Religion. Spiritual beliefs. The Bible. It is all about religion. A woman today does not "leave her family" and join her husbands family. That is traditional Biblical beliefs. It does not happen in this modern world. Ever here of Inlaws? So many times I see the woman's family supporting the woman's lasy husband who won't get a job, or raising their children he can't support. You are talking traditional Biblical ideas. That is not the reality of today's society. No not specifically talking about "todays" society. Heck, today's society isn't the same it was even 100 years ago and so on. I'm talking about the original purpose of marriage in or out of any affiliations with "religion". And you have to also keep in mind, women weren't' always as independent as they are now. It's only been fairly recently women have become indipendent, fairly recently in the comparison to the world. There were plenty of independent women in the past. However, the Church had a habit of killing women who were intelligent and outspoken. (This is true of the Catholic Church.) Women have been purposely suppressed and oppressed. Today, "independence" does not belong to either sex. It depends on the individual and that can be a man or a woman. So I think tradition should change. How would people react to a marriage ceremony where the Mother "gives her son in marriage" to the daughter, and the man changes his last name to the woman's. How strange would that seem? Point is, either way it makes no sense to think of any person as the property of another. Traditions need to change. |
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Funches, LISTEN. ONCE AGAIN, EVERYONE is to remain silent in the church except the preacher. The "command" you've used as an example, is PURELY culture related. Is not an order from God. In that country/culture at that time, women were not to speak even in public. sorry Cowboy...but the biblical culture especially in the bible was directly formed from The Words of God... So please, find a verse specifically from God that says women are to remain silent in church. don't you have a clue as to what I'm trying to do....I'm trying to get you to denounce that everything that the apostles of Jesus said as being meaningless..so I can it against you in our future debates it was Paul one of Jesus's disciples that gave the command that "Women should remain silent in church" first you were always whining about how no one has to follow the laws of the old testament ...I'm only showing how you refuse to follow the ones in The New Testament too |
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Women have always been considered to be property (of men) and not much has changed even in today's modern world. Even today women are married off and traditionally the father gives her hand in marriage to the husband. She does not own herself. Yes this is tradition but it is ingrained into our modern society. Never had I even suspected this subconscious attitude until I was married (twice) and discovered an attitude coming from my "modern" husband(s) that I was property. If you are an independent woman and want to stay that way, I suggest you do not get married. Back in the Biblical days, it was almost required for a woman to be owned/married. I am sorry I ever got married. It was such a waste of time. I could have accomplished a lot in my life had I not wasted so much time married. Yes this is tradition but it is ingrained into our modern society. Never had I even suspected this subconscious attitude until I was married (twice) and discovered an attitude coming from my "modern" husband(s) that I was property. Women are not property persay. The father gives his daughter away to the husband. The father then holds no more responsibility over that woman and has given all responsibility over to the husband to make sure she has food, water, is taken care of in every way in that aspect, and is safe. Also you need to separate our "culture" of how this world/country is ran from it all. Cause by our society once someone is 18, their parents hold no more responsibility for them. That is not true. The parents are to ensure the child's safety and what not till the day they are dead. Thus when two are married, the dad gives this responsibility over to the husband. I know that women are not property. But if the father "gives" his daughter away to the husband that implies that the woman is property and assumes that she cannot take care of herself. She is like a pet that needs an owner to feed her and take care of her. Ridiculous. I would love to "separate our culture" from the old fashioned outdated religious traditions of 2000 years ago but guess what? The religions of the world keep shoving their crap onto society like it means something. It is time for change. The old religion is on its way out. It has no place in this culture so it needs to be gone. Traditions are meaningless and are still repeated like they mean something. Get rid of them. But if the father "gives" his daughter away to the husband that implies that the woman is property and assumes that she cannot take care of herself. She is like a pet that needs an owner to feed her and take care of her. Ridiculous. Aye, you're looking at it from the point of religion purely. It's not totally about "religion". When two are married, the woman leaves her family eg., her maiden name. And joins with the husbands family and thus why the woman changes her last name. Of course I am looking at it from the point of religion. That is what it is. That is what we are talking about. That is what this thread is about. Religion. Spiritual beliefs. The Bible. It is all about religion. A woman today does not "leave her family" and join her husbands family. That is traditional Biblical beliefs. It does not happen in this modern world. Ever here of Inlaws? So many times I see the woman's family supporting the woman's lasy husband who won't get a job, or raising their children he can't support. You are talking traditional Biblical ideas. That is not the reality of today's society. No not specifically talking about "todays" society. Heck, today's society isn't the same it was even 100 years ago and so on. I'm talking about the original purpose of marriage in or out of any affiliations with "religion". And you have to also keep in mind, women weren't' always as independent as they are now. It's only been fairly recently women have become indipendent, fairly recently in the comparison to the world. There were plenty of independent women in the past. However, the Church had a habit of killing women who were intelligent and outspoken. (This is true of the Catholic Church.) Women have been purposely suppressed and oppressed. Today, "independence" does not belong to either sex. It depends on the individual and that can be a man or a woman. So I think tradition should change. How would people react to a marriage ceremony where the Mother "gives her son in marriage" to the daughter, and the man changes his last name to the woman's. How strange would that seem? Point is, either way it makes no sense to think of any person as the property of another. Traditions need to change. How strange would that seem? Point is, either way it makes no sense to think of any person as the property of another. I totally agree. And keeping it in context of the more original discussion. Women were never and are never "property" in the Christian faith. The man has a lot of obligations to the woman through marriage. Weather he does it or not is irrelevant, has no bearing on the belief in itself. He was to love her and cherish her even more then himself. That is not "property" That is not "controlling" that is love and compassion. |
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Funches, LISTEN. ONCE AGAIN, EVERYONE is to remain silent in the church except the preacher. The "command" you've used as an example, is PURELY culture related. Is not an order from God. In that country/culture at that time, women were not to speak even in public. sorry Cowboy...but the biblical culture especially in the bible was directly formed from The Words of God... So please, find a verse specifically from God that says women are to remain silent in church. don't you have a clue as to what I'm trying to do....I'm trying to get you to denounce that everything that the apostles of Jesus said as being meaningless..so I can it against you in our future debates it was Paul one of Jesus's disciples that gave the command that "Women should remain silent in church" first you were always whining about how no one has to follow the laws of the old testament ...I'm only showing how you refuse to follow the ones in The New Testament too Yes he was giving a specific command to a specific group of people for whatever reason it may have been. I refuse nothing lol. I follow what we are told and not told. Paul was addressing a specific group of people. Again, the bible is made of different epistles to specific groups of people for specific reasons. |
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Funches, LISTEN. ONCE AGAIN, EVERYONE is to remain silent in the church except the preacher. The "command" you've used as an example, is PURELY culture related. Is not an order from God. In that country/culture at that time, women were not to speak even in public. sorry Cowboy...but the biblical culture especially in the bible was directly formed from The Words of God... So please, find a verse specifically from God that says women are to remain silent in church. don't you have a clue as to what I'm trying to do....I'm trying to get you to denounce that everything that the apostles of Jesus said as being meaningless..so I can it against you in our future debates it was Paul one of Jesus's disciples that gave the command that "Women should remain silent in church" first you were always whining about how no one has to follow the laws of the old testament ...I'm only showing how you refuse to follow the ones in The New Testament too Yes he was giving a specific command to a specific group of people for whatever reason it may have been. I refuse nothing lol. I follow what we are told and not told. Paul was addressing a specific group of people. Again, the bible is made of different epistles to specific groups of people for specific reasons. so everything Paul and the apostles "handed down" in the bible is obsolete and meaningless today in the USA for those such as yourself?... |
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POSTED BY COWBOY: I follow what we are told and not told tell me that this guy isn't the Master of Contradicting his own self |
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Yes he was giving a specific command to a specific group of people for whatever reason it may have been. wouldn't you agree that this "specific group" of people were all women? |
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Funches, LISTEN. ONCE AGAIN, EVERYONE is to remain silent in the church except the preacher. The "command" you've used as an example, is PURELY culture related. Is not an order from God. In that country/culture at that time, women were not to speak even in public. sorry Cowboy...but the biblical culture especially in the bible was directly formed from The Words of God... So please, find a verse specifically from God that says women are to remain silent in church. don't you have a clue as to what I'm trying to do....I'm trying to get you to denounce that everything that the apostles of Jesus said as being meaningless..so I can it against you in our future debates it was Paul one of Jesus's disciples that gave the command that "Women should remain silent in church" first you were always whining about how no one has to follow the laws of the old testament ...I'm only showing how you refuse to follow the ones in The New Testament too Yes he was giving a specific command to a specific group of people for whatever reason it may have been. I refuse nothing lol. I follow what we are told and not told. Paul was addressing a specific group of people. Again, the bible is made of different epistles to specific groups of people for specific reasons. so everything Paul and the apostles "handed down" in the bible is obsolete and meaningless today in the USA for those such as yourself?... No, not necassarily. But you do realize in that culture, women were not to even speak in public? No specifically a law from God himself, just in the culture itself. And when a woman prayed, they covered their head to take them out of being in public so to speak. You also do realize, all the scriptures in the bible, were not originally intended to be all in one book we now call the Holy bible? These different "books" or "epistles" were written to a specific group of people for a specific reason. And again keeping the conversation in context and on track, it was not even permitted for women in this culture to speak in public. Thus why it says if they have any questions, to ask the husband at home. And also again, these aren't specifically laws from God. Just was how the culture was. Now please do give a verse(s) that is specifically knowledge from God on this matter, if you wish to continue to think this. |
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Funches, LISTEN. ONCE AGAIN, EVERYONE is to remain silent in the church except the preacher. The "command" you've used as an example, is PURELY culture related. Is not an order from God. In that country/culture at that time, women were not to speak even in public. sorry Cowboy...but the biblical culture especially in the bible was directly formed from The Words of God... So please, find a verse specifically from God that says women are to remain silent in church. don't you have a clue as to what I'm trying to do....I'm trying to get you to denounce that everything that the apostles of Jesus said as being meaningless..so I can it against you in our future debates it was Paul one of Jesus's disciples that gave the command that "Women should remain silent in church" first you were always whining about how no one has to follow the laws of the old testament ...I'm only showing how you refuse to follow the ones in The New Testament too Yes he was giving a specific command to a specific group of people for whatever reason it may have been. I refuse nothing lol. I follow what we are told and not told. Paul was addressing a specific group of people. Again, the bible is made of different epistles to specific groups of people for specific reasons. so everything Paul and the apostles "handed down" in the bible is obsolete and meaningless today in the USA for those such as yourself?... No, not necassarily. But you do realize in that culture, women were not to even speak in public? No specifically a law from God himself, just in the culture itself. And when a woman prayed, they covered their head to take them out of being in public so to speak. You also do realize, all the scriptures in the bible, were not originally intended to be all in one book we now call the Holy bible? These different "books" or "epistles" were written to a specific group of people for a specific reason. And again keeping the conversation in context and on track, it was not even permitted for women in this culture to speak in public. Thus why it says if they have any questions, to ask the husband at home. And also again, these aren't specifically laws from God. Just was how the culture was. Now please do give a verse(s) that is specifically knowledge from God on this matter, if you wish to continue to think this. The "scriptures" were not written intending to be in one book. Heck, the authors of each book didn't even know each other. Some where hundreds of years apart from one another even just being in existence. The bible only includes the books, the one's that put the bible together thought needed to be included. There are many upon many scriptures that are not even included in the bible itself. It's about reading what is given, taking it to prayer, and allowing God to guide the rest. |
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And also again, these aren't specifically laws from God. Just was how the culture was. Now please do give a verse(s) that is specifically knowledge from God on this matter, if you wish to continue to think this. my intentions were to reveal your specific views pertaining to the verse "women should remain silent in church".....as indicated below POSTED BY COWBOY: Because church is where people go to learn and or teach eg., "preacher". Well since God set the man as the head of the house, why would he then have woman teach? Men in general, just the natural feature, are generally more aggressive and or well abrupt. They speak and or act with more force then women most usually. So therefore, he has the man teach.http://mingle2.com/topic/show/339822?page=5 post 16 your veiws clearly had nothing to do with culture and was clearly sexist ....they were so sexist that now you're making excuses and trying to find ways as to why you shouldn't have to follow New Testament law that was handed down by Jesus to one of his Apostles |
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And also again, these aren't specifically laws from God. Just was how the culture was. Now please do give a verse(s) that is specifically knowledge from God on this matter, if you wish to continue to think this. my intentions were to reveal your specific views pertaining to the verse "women should remain silent in church".....as indicated below POSTED BY COWBOY: Because church is where people go to learn and or teach eg., "preacher". Well since God set the man as the head of the house, why would he then have woman teach? Men in general, just the natural feature, are generally more aggressive and or well abrupt. They speak and or act with more force then women most usually. So therefore, he has the man teach.http://mingle2.com/topic/show/339822?page=5 post 16 your veiws clearly had nothing to do with culture and was clearly sexist ....they were so sexist that now you're making excuses and trying to find ways as to why you shouldn't have to follow New Testament law that was handed down by Jesus to one of his Apostles How is that sexist? I never said a woman can't do something, nor did I say women were of a lower level then men, or anything along those lines. Please come back when you learn how to discuss rather then trying to belittle people's beliefs and make the one discussing with you look stupid. |
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How is that sexist? Cowboy...by claiming that women should not teach and/or teach Men because they are less forceful then Men is in fact you being sexist...what would "being more forceful" had to do with teaching ..unless you can only teach religion by beating the "hell" out of someone(no pun intended) I never said a woman can't do something, nor did I say women were of a lower level then men, or anything along those lines. by giving your "own personal reasons" why women should remain silent and not have the authority to teach men is in fact you yourself placing them on a lower level than Men Please come back when you learn how to discuss rather then trying to belittle people's beliefs and make the one discussing with you look stupid. you were the one that gave "your own personal reasons" why women should remain silent in church and not teach".....I merely re-posted them .. so if you believe that re-posting your own posts is belittling you ...perhaps you should write to Mingle2 and suggest they eliminate the "quote option"..... |
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How is that sexist? Cowboy...by claiming that women should not teach and/or teach Men because they are less forceful then Men is in fact you being sexist...what would "being more forceful" had to do with teaching ..unless you can only teach religion by beating the "hell" out of someone(no pun intended) I never said a woman can't do something, nor did I say women were of a lower level then men, or anything along those lines. by giving your "own personal reasons" why women should remain silent and not have the authority to teach men is in fact you yourself placing them on a lower level than Men Please come back when you learn how to discuss rather then trying to belittle people's beliefs and make the one discussing with you look stupid. you were the one that gave "your own personal reasons" why women should remain silent in church and not teach".....I merely re-posted them .. so if you believe that re-posting your own posts is belittling you ...perhaps you should write to Mingle2 and suggest they eliminate the "quote option"..... you were the one that gave "your own personal reasons" why women should remain silent in church and not teach".....I merely re-posted them .. I said EVERYONE but the preacher should remain silent. Then went even further in explaining that with giving an example of the Pentecostals having women preachers. Cowboy...by claiming that women should not teach and/or teach Men because they are less forceful then Men is in fact you being sexist...what would "being more forceful" had to do with teaching ..unless you can only teach religion by beating the "hell" out of someone(no pun intended) Please show where I explicitly said "They should NOT". If they are called to preach, so be it. And again, even in context of that verse. It says EVERYONE should remain silent during service, even the men. And again it says if the woman has questions to wait till they are home and ask their husbands, because again in THAT culture at that time it was not permitted for women to speak in public. Thus also where having their heads covered while praying came into effect. |
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Please show where I explicitly said "They should NOT". . Cowboy....of course you explicitly said it...they were your posts you said that God have men teach because the women are not forceful or abrupt enough so why would he have them teach .. of course God never said this...you did... |
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Please show where I explicitly said "They should NOT". If they are called to preach, so be it. And again, even in context of that verse. It says EVERYONE should remain silent during service, even the men. And again it says if the woman has questions to wait till they are home and ask their husbands, because again in THAT culture at that time it was not permitted for women to speak in public. Thus also where having their heads covered while praying came into effect. Cowboy....of course you explicitly said it...they were your posts you said that God have men teach because the women are not forceful or abrupt enough so why would he have them teach .. of course God never said this...you did... I did not explicitly say they should not, in exact specifics. But it is fact, that women are generally more tender and submissive then men. ESPECIALLY in this time frame of mankind in question when these scriptures were written down. Women were not always as outspoken as they are now. Nothing to do with any "sexist". Just that is how it is. Women only very recently have become more and more outspoken for themselves. But you know as well as I do, that is not the way it has always been. REGARDLESS of the reason of why it hasn't always been, fact still remains the same. Ps. Quit editing the posts one makes. If you wish to only respond to a specific part, quote it, leaving the remaining post in there. |
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I did not explicitly say they should not, in exact specifics. ok...then you said that women should not teach, in "not" exact specifics own up to what you post... |
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CowboyGH
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I did not explicitly say they should not, in exact specifics. But it is fact, that women are generally more tender and submissive then men. ESPECIALLY in this time frame of mankind in question when these scriptures were written down. Women were not always as outspoken as they are now. Nothing to do with any "sexist". Just that is how it is. Women only very recently have become more and more outspoken for themselves. But you know as well as I do, that is not the way it has always been. REGARDLESS of the reason of why it hasn't always been, fact still remains the same. Ps. Quit editing the posts one makes. If you wish to only respond to a specific part, quote it, leaving the remaining post in there. ok...then you said that women should not teach, in "not" exact specifics own up to what you post... Tell me what post number it was that I said women should not teach. Cause if I did in fact say ANYTHING in those exact words I stand corrected in my mistake. Because I have explicitly even given the example of some Pentecostals have female preachers. And I further explained that verse(s) of women remaining silent in church. Everyone should remain silent during service. And it says for the woman to ask the husband at home if she has any questions, because in their CULTURE it was not permitted for women to speak in public again is why they had to have their heads covered while praying. |
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