People ignored Hitler's book Mein Kamph. Millions of Jews and MILLIONS OF LOST LIVES IN EUROPE ALONE, SEVERAL CONTINENTS RAVAGED BY WAR AND ALL THAT POLLUTION LATER THANKS TO NAZI GERMANY AND DO PEOPLE REMEMBER TO READ WHAT THE OTHER GUY IS WRITING???? Hitler CLEARLY SPELLED OUT WHAT HIS MISSION WAS. Now let us Digress to Islam and the Quran. I can make a direct correlation to the Quran being exactly the same thing as the Middle East's version of Mein Kamph. People here blissfully talk of tolerance (appeasement) while ignoring the written words that are the core of Islamic faith. You dare point your finger at America in this light ignoring what the Quran spells out for us Infidels? I hope someone here can point you to a thread where what Islam has in mind for the rest of "us" spelled out for you in chapter and verse! I cannot ignore a command to make holy war on infidels. I cannot ignore a command to lie cheat and steal from us! I am not going to ignore the command to tax all heathens. I cannot ignore a faith where it is acceptable to lie to your own and especially one where women are property and less than human! Jesus was a educated Jewish Carpenter and probably was married to a whore (which is one of those who cares deals for me. Jesus had a right to be with who he chose! Christians have a hard time grasping the idea he may have had a wife and children since "Saviors" need to be Pure of heart for the rest of the sheeple out there!) To me his Martyrdom was useless and led to a lot of suffering after the fact! NO JESUS IS NOT MY SAVIOR AND I REBUKE THE NEED FOR HIM NI MY LIFE. It is his wisdom people loose in making a deity of him.


Now for Islam! Muhammad was a illiterate merchant. He likewise was a Pedophile and a criminal. he orchestrated a lie so well fabricated that he managed to deceive people into his ideals of hatred for Jews that others of his ilk seem so preoccupied with. They are murderers and our Cains to our Ables! At least Jesus WAS A GENTLE PERSON! HE NEVER PREACHED HURT, HATE, LIE TO, DECEIVE, AND TAX ANYONE! For all the evil you claim Christianity to be you again use the argument don't blame Islam for its people when you clearly are doing just that with Christianity.

Again Islam is more evil than Satanism. And you dare look at America and blame us all for the actions of a chosen few? In Islam ALL WHO TAKE UP THE QURAN TAKE UP THE HOLY WAR AGAINST INFIDELS AND HEATHENS!

Now are you trying to tell me for as educated as you are coming off you never read a Quran or are you Islamic? I was taught to ask Question by the Lutheran Upbringing I had. That was not the case with the Catholic Church and it is the same damn thing with Islam. Muslims are conditioned to not question anything like good little sheeple! So precisely what makes America so evil again? You are aware slavery is legal in some nations like Saudi Arabia?

Again you miss the point. Pointing out the crimes of others clearly suggests the condoning our own crimes. My point has nothing to do with religion. Its more to do with our goverments consistant and historical involvment in international gangsterism. Our continual state of denial is a greater internal threat then your perception on Islam and its universaly accepted view of a religion you obviousely know little about. Muslims have no power nor authoritive decision making in regards to the World Bank, nor are there any Muslims on the board of the International Monatary Fund. We are far from refraing from our past well documented activities of international gangsterism. The Federal Researve, owned by international bankers since 1913 are along with the afore mentioned are the greatest manufacters of war today. They along with corporate and special interest groups have financed many of the worlds most atrocious conflicts. Most under the guise of "the war on terror". Most American news outlets in harmony with

Again you miss the point. Pointing out the crimes of others clearly suggests the condoning our own crimes. My point has nothing to do with religion. Its more to do with our goverments consistant and historical involvment in international gangsterism. Our continual state of denial is a greater internal threat then your perception on Islam and its universaly accepted view of a religion you obviousely know little about. Muslims have no power nor authoritive decision making in regards to the World Bank, nor are there any Muslims on the board of the International Monatary Fund. We are far from refraing from our past well documented activities of international gangsterism. The Federal Researve, owned by international bankers since 1913 are along with the afore mentioned are the greatest manufacters of war today. They along with corporate and special interest groups have financed many of the worlds most atrocious conflicts. Most under the guise of "the war on terror". Most American news outlets in harmony with

Cont. the corporate elite, the pentagon then promote this fear mongering to justify world incursions of strictly profit gearing wars while the media seasons the "clueless masses. Islam like most religions have been used to profit men. However, the entire western hemisphere was founded on the very premise you say Islam is. To call a religion evil suggests your lack of knowledge. There are 50 million Muslims in China. And most Muslim in the world live in Indonesia, not the middle east. In fact 80% of the worlds Muslims are non Arab. The quest for total control of the mid east is a vital and crucial landlock pertinent if America wishes to maintain world dominance and continue to control international commerce, maintain free access to raw materials world wide, these endeavers are at tge core of the phoney war on terror. Finally, from Alaska to the tip of South America bares witness to our historical crimes against humanity. Differance now is we wish to continue to dominate world affairs through any means, including continueing to topple goverments who dont cooperate. We simply attach the "terrorist" or Muslim tag, make our media season the mindless, the we sent our assasins (special forces), destroy infrastructer, then send the military,

Next will be the clueless thinking sharia law will be forced on all Americans.

The reason is the OP of this post!

And yes there are those who wish an all out ban.

So you are wrong and wrong again.

If anyone at that temple had an AK-47 sitting in a closet ready to rock and could have brought it to bear against this creep he would have been prevented from doing so much damage and it would have been a lesson to other such creeps, but because he found nothing but sheep he and every other creep is encouraged to continue these kinds of stunts.

When someone says there is no legal purpose for such a rifle they clearly have no clue what tactical advantage means, and how a criminal bringing to bear a tactical advantage is not a good thing, and how having such a weapon evens the playing field. Sad really as it is long standing facts of reality which cannot go away no matter how bad you want to legislate safety.

In WWII bicycle shops were converted to manufacture fully automatic sten guns within a week they were pumping them out left and right. Between black markets and 100 year old tech that is easily affordable by 50+ % of the worlds individuals there is no way to prevent people from gaining a tactical advantage if they really want one . . .. . drum roll please . . . except to have one yourself and even the playing field.

Paper protectionists and statists cannot except personal responsibility enough to take those steps any ways so they have rationalized away the illogic of paper protection and the police state mentality of just enforcing law after the fact and leaving such incidents as PR for more restrictive gun laws.

I am not following how having a gun that does MASS damage would have helped in this situation, where only ONE Person needed to be stopped,,

I also dont understand what I Was 'wrong' about as I already conceded that SOME people will want an all out ban (there are extremists in every argument)

my point was there is a MIDDLE ground, ,,,between an all out ban and allowing citizens access to guns with potential to kill dozens of people within a few seconds without ever reloading,,,

it takes one bullet to kill an asailant, not fifty,,,,

So you don't understand why having the same capability evens the playing field?

Clearly you have no clue what it would take in any real world situation. Fairly typical ignorant person who has probably never shot a rifle before, and most especially has never thought of what it would mean to have someone shooting back.

no, I do not

the capability is taking a life with a BULLET,, it doesnt matter where the bullet came from,, that is equal so long as all have guns,

all having semis,, unless all are interested in taking out more than one person, is illogical , dangerous, and counterproductive

msharmony, you should go buy a first person shooter video game, learn to play the game. Get a friend to bust in to an area with a rifle with 30 round magazine and you have a single shot rifle. We will see out of 100 times how many times you win, or your friend wins and then we can come back and have this conversation again.

Or do it with paint ball . . . . I think maybe some pain might teach you the lesson faster . . .

Im not talking about a game, Im talking about REAL LIFE< and real PEOPLE


I dont know what 'winning' is in that situation,,,,

What a joke.
The truly uninformed believe denial is a river in Egypt!
There are already Sharia-leaning judges siding with muslims in cases aginst non-muslims.
I laugh at the ideas of taking our weapons and giving them to feral groups like the panthers and Eugene's noi muslims.
Tell those millions of muslim and feral panther terrorists to brang on their best game.
The citizen needs to be as well armed as the criminal and ferals.

so, you have experienced having someone shooting at you with an uzi and your uzi took them out instead?

Whats special about Uzi's?

Why the Uzi?
What is your point?
My point was very clear, are you trying to shift the topic? Can you address my point?

All of these recent shooting have been semi automatic weapons . . if you are trying to bring automatic or select fire weapons into the discussion then you are shifting the goal posts and being dishonest.
To directly answer your question, yes, in the same way I said you should. I have experienced tactical situations where my ability to take out the other guy was either equal or not and that directly effected my ability to win (both paint ball and video games) Tactically it is NOT different than reality and that is why the military uses the same methods of training. But I don't think that is really what you meant and was not your motive for asking that question. . . .

Bushido, IM not in love with guns, so I wont venture into a discussion with the proper names of weapons because I would lose

my point is the practical need or use for WEAPONS (Whatever they are called) which can wipe out DOZENS of people without ever reloading,,,,


someone 'trained' in how to use a weapon (as gun advocates almost always claim to be) would be able to take someone out, or at the very minimum disable them, just as well with SIX possible shots as with SIXTY,,,,

Like you admitted. You are no professional so, how would you know you last statement with any certainty?

We need to be, at the least, as well armed as the criminal or feral.

Your wrong is the plain and simple answer. Law enforcement officers are killed all the time when they run out of ammo and are caught reloading.

A common tactical situation occurs when the person attacking realizes he is getting return fire and takes cover. If only all such attackers were dumb enough to avoid cover stand still and let us shoot them in the face with a single well place shot.

As soon as that occurs the capabilities of the weapons being used directly impact the encounter.

No one who has any knowledge of any conflict at any time throughout history would claim otherwise.

Get educated.

It doesn't take a professional to realize that the capability of the weapon directly influences the outcome of the encounter. It really is simple logic that takes mental hoola hoops to ignore.

I dont 'know'

I have an opinion, there happens to be many others who do KNOW guns who agree with that opinion and others that KNOW guns and dont


the arms in question are the bullets, they are what kills

if you have a tank and a gun, thats a different question

but having a six shooter , if you are trained, gives you the opportunity you need to defend against ONE attacker,,,

having a gun shooting 12 or 40 just leaves more room for OTHERS to be hit in the crossfire,,,,its impractical and unnecessary

its not about the education, its strictly opinion,,,

I have military friends and family and some agree with me and some dont, ,they are all 'educated' about firearms