Topic: Seven dead in 'terror'gun attack on US Sikh temple
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Wed 08/08/12 11:17 AM
Edited by TJN on Wed 08/08/12 11:19 AM

and ilinois is much bigger than chicago,, I would be interested in knowing the murder rate for the STATE

but I will research it myself

State of Illinois population is 12,869,257
Chicagoland area population is 9,729,825
I really wouldn't call that much bigger.
Therefor I would venture to guess that the states murder rate isn't much higher than Chicago's

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Wed 08/08/12 11:29 AM
Edited by TJN on Wed 08/08/12 11:31 AM
law abiding citizens can own guns, they dont need to own semi automatics and the like


there is a weapon to 'defend' and then there are weapons that completely anihilate

there is no LEGAL reason to own the latter, for those who have them ANYWAY, it makes their criminal status all the easier to determine,,,,

That's your opinion on what types of guns people should and can own.
Do you know the difference between the types of guns you are talking about?
So we should only be able to own guns that we have to reload after every shot?


The second amendment read it understand it!

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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Wed 08/08/12 11:36 AM
It is impossable to villify villains such as the numerous white supremists groups. The Black Panthers did not lynch, castrate, nor burned alive thousands of African Americans through state sanctioned terrorism. Therefore, common sence would suggest that the kkk, and their offshoots who have replaced silly sheets with fatigues can not be villified. They have done a consistant job at earning their "villian" status. Im American, they are enemys of truth, justice and equallity. And yes, I am consumed, for TRUTH.

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Wed 08/08/12 11:41 AM




Muslims, the Panthers and other extremists would love to see us unable to defend ourselves



Im sure there are those who want people 'defenseless'

there are also those who just dont want people to be capable of taking out dozens of people in ten seconds,,,,,


there is a lot of area between those two options,,,

Those people are the same.
The NUTJOBS who go on these murdering sprees will obtain a weapon illegally if they want.
Keeping law abiding citizens from owning will not lower crime in our country.
Look at Illinois. They are the only state without some form of conceal carry law.
Murder is up over 26% in Chicago. Yep not having guns is really working out well for them.


yes, people will find ways around the laws,, thats a given

but that doesnt erase the need for the laws to be there,,,


law abiding citizens can own guns, they dont need to own semi automatics and the like


there is a weapon to 'defend' and then there are weapons that completely anihilate

there is no LEGAL reason to own the latter, for those who have them ANYWAY, it makes their criminal status all the easier to determine,,,,
so you think that anyone owning a Self-Loading Firearm is a potential or de-facto Criminal?

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Wed 08/08/12 11:41 AM

It is impossable to villify villains such as the numerous white supremists groups. The Black Panthers did not lynch, castrate, nor burned alive thousands of African Americans through state sanctioned terrorism. Therefore, common sence would suggest that the kkk, and their offshoots who have replaced silly sheets with fatigues can not be villified. They have done a consistant job at earning their "villian" status. Im American, they are enemys of truth, justice and equallity. And yes, I am consumed, for TRUTH.

For truth or with hate? Think about it.

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Wed 08/08/12 11:43 AM

law abiding citizens can own guns, they dont need to own semi automatics and the like


there is a weapon to 'defend' and then there are weapons that completely anihilate

there is no LEGAL reason to own the latter, for those who have them ANYWAY, it makes their criminal status all the easier to determine,,,,

That's your opinion on what types of guns people should and can own.
Do you know the difference between the types of guns you are talking about?
So we should only be able to own guns that we have to reload after every shot?


The second amendment read it understand it!

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Muzzle-Loader,actually!
Leave the modern Firearms for Government Thugs and Criminals!noway

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Wed 08/08/12 11:46 AM
Actually, I was pointing out the present state of brainrot of the American mindset. My post clearly was also in referance to the ease in which our minds are literally put in a state of mental slumber. How you interpreted being "consumed" is beyond me. However you interpreting my post is clearly the very point I was making. The extremists are the ones consumed. And I can not villify villains. They have done it for me.

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Wed 08/08/12 11:49 AM
I do hate indeed. I hate injustice and selective reasoning. Theres no need to think about that. You either love truth or you dont. Hate is counterproductive and recessive in concept.

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Wed 08/08/12 11:50 AM

It is impossable to villify villains such as the numerous white supremists groups. The Black Panthers did not lynch, castrate, nor burned alive thousands of African Americans through state sanctioned terrorism. Therefore, common sence would suggest that the kkk, and their offshoots who have replaced silly sheets with fatigues can not be villified. They have done a consistant job at earning their "villian" status. Im American, they are enemys of truth, justice and equallity. And yes, I am consumed, for TRUTH.

Look at the statistics of what areas and who is killing with guns.
The biggest percentage is black on black in poor neighborhoods gang related by those who have ILLEGAL guns!
The problem isn't legal gun owners and what type of guns they own.
It's a problem of society.
You can't honestly with a straight face tell me that if guns are banned that the statistics will change. The gangs and criminals will still get guns ILLEGALLY!

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Wed 08/08/12 11:57 AM

I do hate indeed. I hate injustice and selective reasoning. Theres no need to think about that. You either love truth or you dont. Hate is counterproductive and recessive in concept.

and you think that you will find solution to all these things that you believe are wrong on these forums?

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Wed 08/08/12 11:57 AM
You lost me. Your post does not correspond to mine.

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Wed 08/08/12 12:05 PM


I do hate indeed. I hate injustice and selective reasoning. Theres no need to think about that. You either love truth or you dont. Hate is counterproductive and recessive in concept.

and you think that you will find solution to all these things that you believe are wrong on these forums?
who said anything about finding solutions? There are no solutions. When an apple is rotting, its thrown away. My posts are like all others on this forum. Voicing ones view, as you and others have posted.

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Wed 08/08/12 12:07 PM

You lost me. Your post does not correspond to mine.

Probably because hate is a limited, singular emotion and doesn't correspond to much else.

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Wed 08/08/12 12:28 PM


You lost me. Your post does not correspond to mine.

Probably because hate is a limited, singular emotion and doesn't correspond to much else.
Actually my post was to someone else. You seem to want to corralate hate with my posts despite there being no hate whatsoever expressed herewithin. Yet you think that villify hate groups is villifying. Im not a skinhead, klansmen ect. Just because I point out that we here in America have a long history of terrorism. I think you can agree to that. Yet you have expressed an inability to distinguish facts from emotion. Iv clearly stated that hate is a negative emotion of which I refrain from. You might have some in that you seem to be disturbed at my posts regarding my countrys historical involvement in terrorism, here and abroad. That is not hate,nor is pointing out the increasing menace of white supremacy militants. Thats simply fact. American militia groups have increased 100% since Pre. Obamas election. Facts, not hate.

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Wed 08/08/12 12:34 PM



You lost me. Your post does not correspond to mine.

Probably because hate is a limited, singular emotion and doesn't correspond to much else.
Actually my post was to someone else. You seem to want to corralate hate with my posts despite there being no hate whatsoever expressed herewithin. Yet you think that villify hate groups is villifying. Im not a skinhead, klansmen ect. Just because I point out that we here in America have a long history of terrorism. I think you can agree to that. Yet you have expressed an inability to distinguish facts from emotion. Iv clearly stated that hate is a negative emotion of which I refrain from. You might have some in that you seem to be disturbed at my posts regarding my countrys historical involvement in terrorism, here and abroad. That is not hate,nor is pointing out the increasing menace of white supremacy militants. Thats simply fact. American militia groups have increased 100% since Pre. Obamas election. Facts, not hate.


Try to find peace within your self.

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Wed 08/08/12 12:40 PM

It is impossable to villify villains such as the numerous white supremists groups. The Black Panthers did not lynch, castrate, nor burned alive thousands of African Americans through state sanctioned terrorism. Therefore, common sence would suggest that the kkk, and their offshoots who have replaced silly sheets with fatigues can not be villified. They have done a consistant job at earning their "villian" status. Im American, they are enemys of truth, justice and equallity. And yes, I am consumed, for TRUTH.


So you are conveniently ignoring the Black Panthers murdering, stealing, drug dealing, and other illicit affairs to get money and support? HOW CONVENIENT!

I am white, American, unaffiliated with ANY group or religion, and have been picked on by a hoard of blacks because I was white. I was hit with Affirmative Action because I was white. I have to listen to numerous azzholes who blame whites for everything wrong in this world. I have to see blacks on TV complaining how WHITEY made their life a mess. How DID I MAKE THEIR LIFE A MESS? HOW DO I OPPRESS BLACK MEN? SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE BLACK!

So you wish to evaluate the truth? Have you read a Quran? Have you ever spoken to people of alternative faiths? I read a Quran, I have read a Book of Mormon, and in all honesty I thought Christianity was evil. The ORGANIZATION called the Catholic Church and other churches wrapped around the idea that the murder of a man can atone for all our sins is ludicrous and misguided and that is all. It really is a form of evil but within that evil is teachings of compassion and converting through teaching. Unfortunately for Christianity with education comes knowledge and with knowledge realization. Christians are MISGUIDED but they are taught core values that turn away from lying cheating and stealing and murder! SATANISTS ARE REALLY MISUNDERSTOOD TOO! They do not sacrifice unwilling participants. They understand sacrifice must come from them among their own willingly! You cannot pluck a virgin off the street, kill her, and call it a day in service to the dark one named Light. OF ALL RELIGIONS OUT THERE ISLAM EMBRACES EVERYTHING WE REVILE AS EVIL AND ACTS OF EVIL! ERGO THEY ARE EVIL!

This goes with the concept of the Yin and Yang. The Christian church would be the evil (the murder of a man in sacrifice to god to atone for our sins) but they have a good heart (the black with the white dot in it). Islam on the other hand preaches they are a religion of peace and love yet when you look at the communities that are Islamic they are rife with evil galore. They are the white with the black dot! All of this does come off as pretty Zen but there is no balance with Islam. There is no other way. There is only stagnation and death!

Yes there are white people who are so afraid they form these "Hate Groups" but frankly I am sick and tired of having our own government placing wolves in our midst and telling us we have to tolerate them. Really if we got rid of JUST Islam the world WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE FOR SURE!

Sorry but I am detecting a lot of fallacious reasoning dealing with the attack on the Sikhs. I am betting money on had Wade known the difference between Sikhs and Islam he would have chosen a different target! But that is just a guess on my part.

So you can bring up hate groups like the KKK and Neo-Nazis and forget that there are a lot of Black hate groups out there? So how about all them there Crips and Bloods and Brown Pride who make it a point to take it out on Blanco or Whitey? There just "Gangs" to you maybe?

I was taught to be racist BY OTHER RACES! I had to learn to rise above that stupidity ON MY OWN! So what makes it so right for six NEGROS (Oh how I love how that word offends people these days!) who are all teen agers to pick on a six year old kid? How about the Jena Six? They were just teen agers? And where do these teen agers get this attitude from? The Reverend Jessie Jackson as he preaches on Sunday? How about the Reverend Al Sharpton? These men made CAREERS on hating Whites! But HOW ABOUT THEIR PARENTS?

So how does this selective ignorance help end racism and intolerance? How do we get religion to stop making people hate? Islam declared Holy War on us, Not the other way around! And some stupid idiot who happened to be white acting alone does something real stupid and not take the fight to the people who deserve to have a fight brought to them.

Again I am white. I am NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY RELIGION! But I fight Islam with words. I use their own words against them. If they make it violent I become violent in return. I chose to be the one in their face making them have to answer question truthfully to not only me but to themselves. A person of good conscious would ask themselves why is it right to lie to people or kill them just because they are different from me?

Sorry but there is a lot more to life and God than Humans are ready to really accept! And for anyone to claim they speak for God is just Deceitful and arrogant!

Ras427's photo
Wed 08/08/12 12:46 PM




You lost me. Your post does not correspond to mine.

Probably because hate is a limited, singular emotion and doesn't correspond to much else.
Actually my post was to someone else. You seem to want to corralate hate with my posts despite there being no hate whatsoever expressed herewithin. Yet you think that villify hate groups is villifying. Im not a skinhead, klansmen ect. Just because I point out that we here in America have a long history of terrorism. I think you can agree to that. Yet you have expressed an inability to distinguish facts from emotion. Iv clearly stated that hate is a negative emotion of which I refrain from. You might have some in that you seem to be disturbed at my posts regarding my countrys historical involvement in terrorism, here and abroad. That is not hate,nor is pointing out the increasing menace of white supremacy militants. Thats simply fact. American militia groups have increased 100% since Pre. Obamas election. Facts, not hate.


Try to find peace within your self.

no photo
Wed 08/08/12 12:50 PM


It is impossable to villify villains such as the numerous white supremists groups. The Black Panthers did not lynch, castrate, nor burned alive thousands of African Americans through state sanctioned terrorism. Therefore, common sence would suggest that the kkk, and their offshoots who have replaced silly sheets with fatigues can not be villified. They have done a consistant job at earning their "villian" status. Im American, they are enemys of truth, justice and equallity. And yes, I am consumed, for TRUTH.


So you are conveniently ignoring the Black Panthers murdering, stealing, drug dealing, and other illicit affairs to get money and support? HOW CONVENIENT!

I am white, American, unaffiliated with ANY group or religion, and have been picked on by a hoard of blacks because I was white. I was hit with Affirmative Action because I was white. I have to listen to numerous azzholes who blame whites for everything wrong in this world. I have to see blacks on TV complaining how WHITEY made their life a mess. How DID I MAKE THEIR LIFE A MESS? HOW DO I OPPRESS BLACK MEN? SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE BLACK!

So you wish to evaluate the truth? Have you read a Quran? Have you ever spoken to people of alternative faiths? I read a Quran, I have read a Book of Mormon, and in all honesty I thought Christianity was evil. The ORGANIZATION called the Catholic Church and other churches wrapped around the idea that the murder of a man can atone for all our sins is ludicrous and misguided and that is all. It really is a form of evil but within that evil is teachings of compassion and converting through teaching. Unfortunately for Christianity with education comes knowledge and with knowledge realization. Christians are MISGUIDED but they are taught core values that turn away from lying cheating and stealing and murder! SATANISTS ARE REALLY MISUNDERSTOOD TOO! They do not sacrifice unwilling participants. They understand sacrifice must come from them among their own willingly! You cannot pluck a virgin off the street, kill her, and call it a day in service to the dark one named Light. OF ALL RELIGIONS OUT THERE ISLAM EMBRACES EVERYTHING WE REVILE AS EVIL AND ACTS OF EVIL! ERGO THEY ARE EVIL!

This goes with the concept of the Yin and Yang. The Christian church would be the evil (the murder of a man in sacrifice to god to atone for our sins) but they have a good heart (the black with the white dot in it). Islam on the other hand preaches they are a religion of peace and love yet when you look at the communities that are Islamic they are rife with evil galore. They are the white with the black dot! All of this does come off as pretty Zen but there is no balance with Islam. There is no other way. There is only stagnation and death!

Yes there are white people who are so afraid they form these "Hate Groups" but frankly I am sick and tired of having our own government placing wolves in our midst and telling us we have to tolerate them. Really if we got rid of JUST Islam the world WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE FOR SURE!

Sorry but I am detecting a lot of fallacious reasoning dealing with the attack on the Sikhs. I am betting money on had Wade known the difference between Sikhs and Islam he would have chosen a different target! But that is just a guess on my part.

So you can bring up hate groups like the KKK and Neo-Nazis and forget that there are a lot of Black hate groups out there? So how about all them there Crips and Bloods and Brown Pride who make it a point to take it out on Blanco or Whitey? There just "Gangs" to you maybe?

I was taught to be racist BY OTHER RACES! I had to learn to rise above that stupidity ON MY OWN! So what makes it so right for six NEGROS (Oh how I love how that word offends people these days!) who are all teen agers to pick on a six year old kid? How about the Jena Six? They were just teen agers? And where do these teen agers get this attitude from? The Reverend Jessie Jackson as he preaches on Sunday? How about the Reverend Al Sharpton? These men made CAREERS on hating Whites! But HOW ABOUT THEIR PARENTS?

So how does this selective ignorance help end racism and intolerance? How do we get religion to stop making people hate? Islam declared Holy War on us, Not the other way around! And some stupid idiot who happened to be white acting alone does something real stupid and not take the fight to the people who deserve to have a fight brought to them.

Again I am white. I am NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY RELIGION! But I fight Islam with words. I use their own words against them. If they make it violent I become violent in return. I chose to be the one in their face making them have to answer question truthfully to not only me but to themselves. A person of good conscious would ask themselves why is it right to lie to people or kill them just because they are different from me?

Sorry but there is a lot more to life and God than Humans are ready to really accept! And for anyone to claim they speak for God is just Deceitful and arrogant!

:thumbsup:

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Wed 08/08/12 12:52 PM
Your responce of my finding peace within myself is greatly appreciated. Although im at a lost as to your point regarding my posts. Peace can only be attained through knowledge of self and the continual effort to seek truth, justice and equallity. Anything short of that will only be an illusion suggesting blissfull ignorance.

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Wed 08/08/12 01:11 PM

Your responce of my finding peace within myself is greatly appreciated. Although im at a lost as to your point regarding my posts. Peace can only be attained through knowledge of self and the continual effort to seek truth, justice and equallity. Anything short of that will only be an illusion suggesting blissfull ignorance.

Your post resonated with a lot of hate and anger. No one on these forums agree or promote any of the groups that you mentioned. So why post such things that only ferment more hateful responses?