Topic: Seven dead in 'terror'gun attack on US Sikh temple
msharmony's photo
Tue 08/07/12 06:17 PM

We will remain "screwed up" until we vote the politicos out of office a few times so they know who is boss.

If only the sikh's had been packing, same as the theater. These nut cases only prey on the defenseless, not the well armed.

Of course, telling people they have to pack is just as wrong as trying to curtail my rights to own a weapon.


I personally believe that the theory of more guns deterring crime, is similar to believing more autos will decrease traffic


still, we will always have nutcases who figure out ways to harm people, especially if its easy for them to obtain the equipment to do it,,,,

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Tue 08/07/12 07:01 PM

You noticed the key phrases:

"In the United States they have often been mistaken for Muslims and have been targeted by anti-Islam activists, particularly after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States."

and

"Since 9/11, there have been more than 700 reports of hate-related incidents against Sikhs in the United States, according to the Associated Press. "Sikhs don't practice the same religion as Muslims," the AP noted, "but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say."


Muslims and Sikhs actually don't like each other in the Middle East. But you will not see violence between them here in America because here they are free to practice their religions separately.

However, this STILL does not give ignoramuses permission to kill innocent people of either religion just because they think they are terrorists. I am Muslim and I have NO DESIRE to blow up anyone or cause terror. My Muslim community here is working with the non-Muslim community to stop this gross misinformation about Islam because, frankly, we are getting tired of being blamed for one man's actions and one extremism sect's behavior. Those people are not Muslims. Even us Muslims know that. Why hasn't anyone else realized that? There are over 2.1 billion Muslims in the entire world. And exactly how many people are being blown up? There are enough Muslims to wipe out a good chunk of Christians and become the #1 religion, but we choose not to. Why? Because that is not what is said to be done in the Qur'an or Sunnah. Why I reverted to Islam? Because of the peace and love I found in the religion and in the Qur'an. I spent 10 years researching Islam. Never did I once read 9/11 in the Qur'an or Sunnah.


Try reading the Bible again. I found more violence in the Bible than I ever did in the Qur'an. And I would know, my mother is a former Roman Catholic Nun.


Muslims kill and attack Sikhs in India often. There are not many Sikhs in the middle east for them to kill.

AndyBgood's photo
Tue 08/07/12 07:16 PM


You noticed the key phrases:

"In the United States they have often been mistaken for Muslims and have been targeted by anti-Islam activists, particularly after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States."

and

"Since 9/11, there have been more than 700 reports of hate-related incidents against Sikhs in the United States, according to the Associated Press. "Sikhs don't practice the same religion as Muslims," the AP noted, "but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say."


Muslims and Sikhs actually don't like each other in the Middle East. But you will not see violence between them here in America because here they are free to practice their religions separately.

However, this STILL does not give ignoramuses permission to kill innocent people of either religion just because they think they are terrorists. I am Muslim and I have NO DESIRE to blow up anyone or cause terror. My Muslim community here is working with the non-Muslim community to stop this gross misinformation about Islam because, frankly, we are getting tired of being blamed for one man's actions and one extremism sect's behavior. Those people are not Muslims. Even us Muslims know that. Why hasn't anyone else realized that? There are over 2.1 billion Muslims in the entire world. And exactly how many people are being blown up? There are enough Muslims to wipe out a good chunk of Christians and become the #1 religion, but we choose not to. Why? Because that is not what is said to be done in the Qur'an or Sunnah. Why I reverted to Islam? Because of the peace and love I found in the religion and in the Qur'an. I spent 10 years researching Islam. Never did I once read 9/11 in the Qur'an or Sunnah.


Try reading the Bible again. I found more violence in the Bible than I ever did in the Qur'an. And I would know, my mother is a former Roman Catholic Nun.


Muslims kill and attack Sikhs in India often. There are not many Sikhs in the middle east for them to kill.


What is sad is Sikhs put up with Muslims in their homelands!

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Tue 08/07/12 07:23 PM


We will remain "screwed up" until we vote the politicos out of office a few times so they know who is boss.

If only the sikh's had been packing, same as the theater. These nut cases only prey on the defenseless, not the well armed.

Of course, telling people they have to pack is just as wrong as trying to curtail my rights to own a weapon.


I personally believe that the theory of more guns deterring crime, is similar to believing more autos will decrease traffic


still, we will always have nutcases who figure out ways to harm people, especially if its easy for them to obtain the equipment to do it,,,,

It's not a theory of MORE guns deterring crime. It's the theory of owning a gun will deter crime.

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/07/12 09:25 PM



We will remain "screwed up" until we vote the politicos out of office a few times so they know who is boss.

If only the sikh's had been packing, same as the theater. These nut cases only prey on the defenseless, not the well armed.

Of course, telling people they have to pack is just as wrong as trying to curtail my rights to own a weapon.


I personally believe that the theory of more guns deterring crime, is similar to believing more autos will decrease traffic


still, we will always have nutcases who figure out ways to harm people, especially if its easy for them to obtain the equipment to do it,,,,

It's not a theory of MORE guns deterring crime. It's the theory of owning a gun will deter crime.


maybe, if the criminal believes you have one or that you can get to it before they surprise you,,

otherwise, it deters similar to capital punishment,,,only those who dont think they are too smart to get caught,,,

which is probably not alot of them,,,,

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Wed 08/08/12 08:24 AM




We will remain "screwed up" until we vote the politicos out of office a few times so they know who is boss.

If only the sikh's had been packing, same as the theater. These nut cases only prey on the defenseless, not the well armed.

Of course, telling people they have to pack is just as wrong as trying to curtail my rights to own a weapon.


I personally believe that the theory of more guns deterring crime, is similar to believing more autos will decrease traffic


still, we will always have nutcases who figure out ways to harm people, especially if its easy for them to obtain the equipment to do it,,,,

It's not a theory of MORE guns deterring crime. It's the theory of owning a gun will deter crime.


maybe, if the criminal believes you have one or that you can get to it before they surprise you,,

otherwise, it deters similar to capital punishment,,,only those who dont think they are too smart to get caught,,,

which is probably not alot of them,,,,

Gun owner ship has deterred crime for here for many decades. You just don't see it in the news everyday. Then one nut does something and libs want to ban guns completely.

willing2's photo
Wed 08/08/12 08:46 AM
Muslims, the Panthers and other extremists would love to see us unable to defend ourselves

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 08/08/12 08:52 AM





We will remain "screwed up" until we vote the politicos out of office a few times so they know who is boss.

If only the sikh's had been packing, same as the theater. These nut cases only prey on the defenseless, not the well armed.

Of course, telling people they have to pack is just as wrong as trying to curtail my rights to own a weapon.


I personally believe that the theory of more guns deterring crime, is similar to believing more autos will decrease traffic


still, we will always have nutcases who figure out ways to harm people, especially if its easy for them to obtain the equipment to do it,,,,

It's not a theory of MORE guns deterring crime. It's the theory of owning a gun will deter crime.


maybe, if the criminal believes you have one or that you can get to it before they surprise you,,

otherwise, it deters similar to capital punishment,,,only those who dont think they are too smart to get caught,,,

which is probably not alot of them,,,,

Gun owner ship has deterred crime for here for many decades. You just don't see it in the news everyday. Then one nut does something and libs want to ban guns completely.
Yes,Gunfree Zones,a Recipe for Disaster!

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 08/08/12 08:55 AM

Muslims, the Panthers and other extremists would love to see us unable to defend ourselves
they'd have a Field-Day,probably would proclaim a special Holiday!

named,"The Day The People Went Stupid and Disarmed Them-Selves"!

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 08/08/12 09:01 AM


You noticed the key phrases:

"In the United States they have often been mistaken for Muslims and have been targeted by anti-Islam activists, particularly after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States."

and

"Since 9/11, there have been more than 700 reports of hate-related incidents against Sikhs in the United States, according to the Associated Press. "Sikhs don't practice the same religion as Muslims," the AP noted, "but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say."


Muslims and Sikhs actually don't like each other in the Middle East. But you will not see violence between them here in America because here they are free to practice their religions separately.

However, this STILL does not give ignoramuses permission to kill innocent people of either religion just because they think they are terrorists. I am Muslim and I have NO DESIRE to blow up anyone or cause terror. My Muslim community here is working with the non-Muslim community to stop this gross misinformation about Islam because, frankly, we are getting tired of being blamed for one man's actions and one extremism sect's behavior. Those people are not Muslims. Even us Muslims know that. Why hasn't anyone else realized that? There are over 2.1 billion Muslims in the entire world. And exactly how many people are being blown up? There are enough Muslims to wipe out a good chunk of Christians and become the #1 religion, but we choose not to. Why? Because that is not what is said to be done in the Qur'an or Sunnah. Why I reverted to Islam? Because of the peace and love I found in the religion and in the Qur'an. I spent 10 years researching Islam. Never did I once read 9/11 in the Qur'an or Sunnah.

Try reading the Bible again. I found more violence in the Bible than I ever did in the Qur'an. And I would know, my mother is a former Roman Catholic Nun.
Muslims are killing thousands daily.
Particularly Christians. Then, they kill those who won't convert.
And one nutcase makes national news.

How many Christians have killed Muslims in the last month? I would dare bet Muslims would be found guilty of more atrocities.
and the Nutcase isn't giving a damn who he's killed!

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/08/12 09:29 AM

Muslims, the Panthers and other extremists would love to see us unable to defend ourselves



Im sure there are those who want people 'defenseless'

there are also those who just dont want people to be capable of taking out dozens of people in ten seconds,,,,,


there is a lot of area between those two options,,,

TJN's photo
Wed 08/08/12 10:24 AM


Muslims, the Panthers and other extremists would love to see us unable to defend ourselves



Im sure there are those who want people 'defenseless'

there are also those who just dont want people to be capable of taking out dozens of people in ten seconds,,,,,


there is a lot of area between those two options,,,

Those people are the same.
The NUTJOBS who go on these murdering sprees will obtain a weapon illegally if they want.
Keeping law abiding citizens from owning will not lower crime in our country.
Look at Illinois. They are the only state without some form of conceal carry law.
Murder is up over 26% in Chicago. Yep not having guns is really working out well for them.

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/08/12 10:32 AM



Muslims, the Panthers and other extremists would love to see us unable to defend ourselves



Im sure there are those who want people 'defenseless'

there are also those who just dont want people to be capable of taking out dozens of people in ten seconds,,,,,


there is a lot of area between those two options,,,

Those people are the same.
The NUTJOBS who go on these murdering sprees will obtain a weapon illegally if they want.
Keeping law abiding citizens from owning will not lower crime in our country.
Look at Illinois. They are the only state without some form of conceal carry law.
Murder is up over 26% in Chicago. Yep not having guns is really working out well for them.


yes, people will find ways around the laws,, thats a given

but that doesnt erase the need for the laws to be there,,,


law abiding citizens can own guns, they dont need to own semi automatics and the like


there is a weapon to 'defend' and then there are weapons that completely anihilate

there is no LEGAL reason to own the latter, for those who have them ANYWAY, it makes their criminal status all the easier to determine,,,,

boredinaz06's photo
Wed 08/08/12 10:32 AM


Uh oh, there's the word "TERROR" again. The libs are really milking this for everything they can get out of it. Here those directly affected by the Jan 8th shooting are calling for the Tucson citiot council too pass a resolution demanding "something" be done about gun violence. It's always an inanimate object with these people and never the cause. The cause in Loughner's shooting spree, Holmes' shooting spree and this turd in WI's shooting spree is lack of mental healthcare which is a scathing indictment of the federal governments failures of the public's best interest. I guess I can't blame the government too much since it's the people who are looking in the wrong direction.

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/08/12 10:35 AM
and ilinois is much bigger than chicago,, I would be interested in knowing the murder rate for the STATE

but I will research it myself

smart2009's photo
Wed 08/08/12 10:38 AM
WadeM. Page, the man who the police say shot and killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin this week, died froma self-inflicted gunshot wound, officials said on Wednesday. The authorities had reported earlier that he was fatally shot by a police officer.

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/08/12 10:41 AM

WadeM. Page, the man who the police say shot and killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin this week, died froma self-inflicted gunshot wound, officials said on Wednesday. The authorities had reported earlier that he was fatally shot by a police officer.


one reason its always wise to wait a couple weeks to a month to get the 'truest' account

the first accounts are media attempts to rush the story so as not to be beat out, and they can often get details mixed up or just plain wrong in their rush to report..

smart2009's photo
Wed 08/08/12 10:44 AM


WadeM. Page, the man who the police say shot and killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin this week, died froma self-inflicted gunshot wound, officials said on Wednesday. The authorities had reported earlier that he was fatally shot by a police officer.


one reason its always wise to wait a couple weeks to a month to get the 'truest' account

the first accounts are media attempts to rush the story so as not to be beat out, and they can often get details mixed up or just plain wrong in their rush to report..

Аgreed.

Ras427's photo
Wed 08/08/12 11:04 AM
Americans are not very bright. Our primary source of information comes from corporate cotroled media. Our thirst for world dominance, arresting depleteing resourses are at the root of the so called "war"on terror. The greatest international terrorists in history reside in the along with their corporate whores like the WB, IMF, and The Federal Reserve control swaying of public opinion. If one thinks they know whats really going on in the world by the worlds greatest institution, (our media) and one thinks the truth is being told, well I got a bridge to sell, cheap. The killer at the Sikh temple was not a "loon". He was consumed with hatred. Extreme hatred stem from fear. White supremists are and have been quite active, and are just as much terrorists as are the kkk, National Christian Alliance, White Alliance, Skinheads, Hammerskins, Aryan Brotherhood, Volksfront, Nazis, and the many of American militia movement. All wish to "ethnicly cleanse" America. Finally, Muslims do not kill others to convert. Again, "i got a bridge to sell". The camphain to villify Muslims is strictly to justify a thrust to militarily remove Iran from the most strategic landlock in the world. America has already removed several Muslim countrys. The goal is to totally controll the "hill" that is the middle east.

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Wed 08/08/12 11:15 AM
Edited by alleoops on Wed 08/08/12 11:21 AM

Americans are not very bright. Our primary source of information comes from corporate cotroled media. Our thirst for world dominance, arresting depleteing resourses are at the root of the so called "war"on terror. The greatest international terrorists in history reside in the along with their corporate whores like the WB, IMF, and The Federal Reserve control swaying of public opinion. If one thinks they know whats really going on in the world by the worlds greatest institution, (our media) and one thinks the truth is being told, well I got a bridge to sell, cheap. The killer at the Sikh temple was not a "loon". He was consumed with hatred. Extreme hatred stem from fear. White supremists are and have been quite active, and are just as much terrorists as are the kkk, National Christian Alliance, White Alliance, Skinheads, Hammerskins, Aryan Brotherhood, Volksfront, Nazis, and the many of American militia movement. All wish to "ethnicly cleanse" America. Finally, Muslims do not kill others to convert. Again, "i got a bridge to sell". The camphain to villify Muslims is strictly to justify a thrust to militarily remove Iran from the most strategic landlock in the world. America has already removed several Muslim countrys. The goal is to totally controll the "hill" that is the middle east.


You seem to be as consumed as those you vilify. scared

and you left out the Black Panthers.