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Topic: Seven dead in 'terror'gun attack on US Sikh temple
Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 08/08/12 01:28 PM
ANDYBGOOD, you have raised very interesting points, some of which I agree. However it quite difficult for me to grasp the corralation between historical "ethnic cleansing" of native Americans, slavery, jim crow and the many mechanics of our history to that of bloods, crips ect. The kkk were not just errant outlaws, but consisted of many generic groups who in harmony with the sanctioning of the federal goverment including police, religous leaders, politicians and other goverment officials carried out state sponsored terrorism on its own populace with total impunity. One can hardly compare gangs of street thugs with organizations who have had and contunue to have members in high places. COINTELPRO under J.Edgar Hoover constructed the "criminalization of all groups fighting for civil rights, including the Native American movement, the Puerto Rican Young Lords party along with the Chicano movements. COINTELLPRO most effective strategy was to criminalize these movements by first assanating the leadership, then launching a full scale criminalization media blitz to justify the murderous tactics the FBI and CIA used to crush dessent. The same reasons for most if not all of the assanations of JFK, RFK,KING, MALCHOM X ect. So I see no comparison with street thugs with the systematic well oiled machine that is the new and recent rise of hate groups. Street gangs are designed to kill one another. While white militias are racist people disquised as nationalists. As for religion, most of these white militias use the biblical embellishment of the Noah story to justify their racist views, this same premise was used to justify slavery. In fact many people of the Christian right still assert the "HAMITIC MYTH" the belief in the curse of color among Black peopl. This premise was used by all of Christianity to justify the richs that slavery coupled with 2.3 billion acres of stolen land afforded all whites in America. For Chritians to speak of world atrocitys is the height of hypocracy.

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Wed 08/08/12 01:38 PM
ANDYBGOOD, you have raised very interesting points, some of which I agree. However it quite difficult for me to grasp the corralation between historical "ethnic cleansing" of native Americans, slavery, jim crow and the many mechanics of our history to that of bloods, crips ect. The kkk were not just errant outlaws, but consisted of many generic groups who in harmony with the sanctioning of the federal goverment including police, religous leaders, politicians and other goverment officials carried out state sponsored terrorism on its own populace with total impunity. One can hardly compare gangs of street thugs with organizations who have had and contunue to have members in high places. COINTELPRO under J.Edgar Hoover constructed the "criminalization of all groups fighting for civil rights, including the Native American movement, the Puerto Rican Young Lords party along with the Chicano movements. COINTELLPRO most effective strategy was to criminalize these movements by first assanating the leadership, then launching a full scale criminalization media blitz to justify the murderous tactics the FBI and CIA used to crush dessent. The same reasons for most if not all of the assanations of JFK, RFK,KING, MALCHOM X ect. So I see no comparison with street thugs with the systematic well oiled machine that is the new and recent rise of hate groups. Street gangs are designed to kill one another. While white militias are racist people disquised as nationalists. As for religion, most of these white militias use the biblical embellishment of the Noah story to justify their racist views, this same premise was used to justify slavery. In fact many people of the Christian right still assert the "HAMITIC MYTH" the belief in the curse of color among Black peopl. This premise was used by all of Christianity to justify the richs that slavery coupled with 2.3 billion acres of stolen land afforded all whites in America. For Chritians to speak of world atrocitys is the height of hypocracy. Wow Raz, you really got it bad. I you don't have any weapons.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 08/08/12 01:43 PM
Your responce of my finding peace within myself is greatly appreciated. Although im at a lost as to your point regarding my posts. Peace can only be attained through knowledge of self and the continual effort to seek truth, justice and equallity. Anything short of that will only be an illusion suggesting blissfull ignorance. Your post resonated with a lot of hate and anger. No one on these forums agree or promote any of the groups that you mentioned. So why post such things that only ferment more hateful responses? Not one of my post resonated with hate nor anger. You interpreted that way because truth will often inspire denial. However, one should always speak the truth despite the hatefull responses. What hatefull responses are you refering to? Truth will always ferment hatefull responses, should we stop speaking the truth? Have Jews stopped speaking against anti semetism? NO! They have not. And being that you are the only one with underlying hate although controled, shouldn't you be the one seeking peace in your heart. By the way, I didn't start this thread which is about a white supremist killing people. So im responding to this thread. If it ferments hatefull responses, so be it, but truth stands alone and needs not care for such responses.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 08/08/12 01:46 PM
ANDYBGOOD, you have raised very interesting points, some of which I agree. However it quite difficult for me to grasp the corralation between historical "ethnic cleansing" of native Americans, slavery, jim crow and the many mechanics of our history to that of bloods, crips ect. The kkk were not just errant outlaws, but consisted of many generic groups who in harmony with the sanctioning of the federal goverment including police, religous leaders, politicians and other goverment officials carried out state sponsored terrorism on its own populace with total impunity. One can hardly compare gangs of street thugs with organizations who have had and contunue to have members in high places. COINTELPRO under J.Edgar Hoover constructed the "criminalization of all groups fighting for civil rights, including the Native American movement, the Puerto Rican Young Lords party along with the Chicano movements. COINTELLPRO most effective strategy was to criminalize these movements by first assanating the leadership, then launching a full scale criminalization media blitz to justify the murderous tactics the FBI and CIA used to crush dessent. The same reasons for most if not all of the assanations of JFK, RFK,KING, MALCHOM X ect. So I see no comparison with street thugs with the systematic well oiled machine that is the new and recent rise of hate groups. Street gangs are designed to kill one another. While white militias are racist people disquised as nationalists. As for religion, most of these white militias use the biblical embellishment of the Noah story to justify their racist views, this same premise was used to justify slavery. In fact many people of the Christian right still assert the "HAMITIC MYTH" the belief in the curse of color among Black peopl. This premise was used by all of Christianity to justify the richs that slavery coupled with 2.3 billion acres of stolen land afforded all whites in America. For Chritians to speak of world atrocitys is the height of hypocracy. Wow Raz, you really got it bad. I you don't have any weapons.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 08/08/12 01:51 PM
ALLEOOPS, no weopons required, truth is a weopon all its own. And I hate to dissappoint you, I don't have it bad at all. However, I can not say the same for my country. Not only is it getting bad, but our future is even worst.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 08/08/12 02:25 PM
ALLEOOPS, no weopons required, truth is a weopon all its own. And I hate to dissappoint you, I don't have it bad at all. However, I can not say the same for my country. Not only is it getting bad, but our future is even worst. by the way alleoops, considering I have it bad, maybe you can present your arsanel in contrary to my position.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 08/08/12 03:42 PM
There has not been a more violent era then the assault on the worlds indiginous peoples of the world then that of the Europeans exploitation of the Christian faith. Spain, France, Britain, Portugal, Belgium, Germany, and Italy all ventured throughout the world with the premise of "Chritianizing the heathens and pagans" as a Christain obligation. However history bares witness to such fallacys. The so called Christians with the blessing of the socalled "Holy Roman Catholic " church committed mass genocide throughout the world including in Europe where the Spanish inquisition against non believers was carried out with complete authorization of the Pope. The new war thats replaced the "yellow scare," the "Red Menace" , and the Communist threat, has now been replaced with the war on terror. However, the war on terror is not against Muslims directly, its more of insuring that Islam be percieved as the new boogieman. To justify the profitable agenda of maintaining world power requires the complete domination of the worlds greatest

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Wed 08/08/12 03:43 PM
ALLEOOPS, no weopons required, truth is a weopon all its own. And I hate to dissappoint you, I don't have it bad at all. However, I can not say the same for my country. Not only is it getting bad, but our future is even worst. by the way alleoops, considering I have it bad, maybe you can present your arsanel in contrary to my position. I don't dwell on hate and anger so I don't care to discuss such things. Life is too short. Learn to forgive and not to hate, and also learn how to spell. Have a good day.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 08/08/12 04:03 PM
Strategic landlock connecting several continants and having total dominance of the newly discovered deposits of natural gas, uranium, and other raw materials. Afghanastan borders China. Our presence will offer a direct post for future incursions planned towards China, owr true nemesis in terms of threatening our future endeavers. The Iraq war was initiated because they border Iran western border, crucial to mount a full scale invasion. None of which has anything to do with Religion or Islam. Syria is another frontier bordering Iran. The so called war on terror is a mere ruse to justify the expansion of an empire in a world that is on a verge of producing other fast growing powers. This war on terror will justify our desire to maintain world dominance and to impress upon the world that our military is quite capable in its attempt to remain a world power, empires before needed no justification for the most part. This war is strictly political. in volving, the World Bank, International Monatary fund, Wall st., international bankers (Federal Reserve), major corporation, with its headquarters in the Pentagon. The media then lies to tge mindless who are to busy being distracted by nonsense. There is no war on terror, just us maintainig our empire.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 08/08/12 04:14 PM
ALLEOOPS, no weopons required, truth is a weopon all its own. And I hate to dissappoint you, I don't have it bad at all. However, I can not say the same for my country. Not only is it getting bad, but our future is even worst. by the way alleoops, considering I have it bad, maybe you can present your arsanel in contrary to my position. I don't dwell on hate and anger so I don't care to discuss such things. Life is too short. Learn to forgive and not to hate, and also learn how to spell. Have a good day. Actually you do dwell on hate, you hate truth. Only a fool can confuse the truth with hate. Not one post iv made was hatefull, and I doubt you can actually show me where iv posted hate. You hate the truth, which is why all you can come up with is a spelling issue to deflect from the fact that you have nothing relevent to say. I love truth, you obviousely have a problem with my blowing your false sence of rightousness to a more realistic place. Only someone with limited intellect could interpret any of my post with hate. Im not a militia member nor a skinhead, nor a kkk. Sorry on my misspelling, im using a cell phone with a small keypad. But im sure thats not really all you had to say. Or is it? I hope this post was not to hatefull, if it is, not to worry, truth trumps hate because truth comes from god.

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Wed 08/08/12 04:58 PM
There has not been a more violent era then the assault on the worlds indiginous peoples of the world then that of the Europeans exploitation of the Christian faith. Spain, France, Britain, Portugal, Belgium, Germany, and Italy all ventured throughout the world with the premise of "Chritianizing the heathens and pagans" as a Christain obligation. However history bares witness to such fallacys. The so called Christians with the blessing of the socalled "Holy Roman Catholic " church committed mass genocide throughout the world including in Europe where the Spanish inquisition against non believers was carried out with complete authorization of the Pope. The new war thats replaced the "yellow scare," the "Red Menace" , and the Communist threat, has now been replaced with the war on terror. However, the war on terror is not against Muslims directly, its more of insuring that Islam be percieved as the new boogieman. To justify the profitable agenda of maintaining world power requires the complete domination of the worlds greatest Rather interesting how you conveniently left out muslim conquests. I suppose they spread the word through peaceful means.. Since you included the inquisition maybe you can spread the truth on the Moor occupation since that was in reality responsible for what happened after Charles Martel sent the muslims packing..

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 08/08/12 05:06 PM
ALLEOOPS, no weopons required, truth is a weopon all its own. And I hate to dissappoint you, I don't have it bad at all. However, I can not say the same for my country. Not only is it getting bad, but our future is even worst. by the way alleoops, considering I have it bad, maybe you can present your arsanel in contrary to my position. I don't dwell on hate and anger so I don't care to discuss such things. Life is too short. Learn to forgive and not to hate, and also learn how to spell. Have a good day. Concidering that no anger nor hate was expressed by me nor anyone else leaves me to conclude that the real reason for you "not discuss such things" is

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 08/08/12 05:13 PM
ALLEOOPS, no weopons required, truth is a weopon all its own. And I hate to dissappoint you, I don't have it bad at all. However, I can not say the same for my country. Not only is it getting bad, but our future is even worst. by the way alleoops, considering I have it bad, maybe you can present your arsanel in contrary to my position. I don't dwell on hate and anger so I don't care to discuss such things. Life is too short. Learn to forgive and not to hate, and also learn how to spell. Have a good day. Considering that none of my posts contained hate nor anger, im left to conclude that the real reason you dont disscuss such things is really because you dont know what you are talking about. Being lifes to short to talk of such things, how about talking about the "monkeys", now thats very pertinent stuff.lol

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 08/08/12 05:36 PM
INVICTISV, I didn't include the Moors because I was responding to a post regarding religion and how its used as political fodder or to acquire power, wealth and maintain dominance by hiding behind religion. Besides, would it have made my post any less true by not mentioning the moors. But since you brought it up, it is actually a good point. The expulsion of Jews, and Muslims from Europe was even more political then religous. As the Moors were indeed poseing a potential "security breech" on the sphere of influence, power and borders of the Church. The Crusades were the results. Religion was used to inspire hatred to the enemys so as to gain pubblic financing and support. The same as today. The war on terror is strictly political powerfull entitys securing positioning of strategic areas of a very important and crucial to future dominance. Religion is what we use to convince the masses of the nessesaty of war. Your point however does little to refute the fact that Christains are in no position to talk of historical crimes, who said anything about ignoring the Arab conquests, my forefathers were native to this land, and in this land, Arabs did nothing to my people, Christains did, not Arabs, so I could care less. In fact im sure they subjugated many in their quest for power. But what does that do for Chritains crimes, easier to fathom? I think not.

AndyBgood Joined Thu 12/25/08 Posts: 12437	Wed 08/08/12 06:36 PM
ANDYBGOOD, you have raised very interesting points, some of which I agree. However it quite difficult for me to grasp the corralation between historical "ethnic cleansing" of native Americans, slavery, jim crow and the many mechanics of our history to that of bloods, crips ect. The kkk were not just errant outlaws, but consisted of many generic groups who in harmony with the sanctioning of the federal goverment including police, religous leaders, politicians and other goverment officials carried out state sponsored terrorism on its own populace with total impunity. One can hardly compare gangs of street thugs with organizations who have had and contunue to have members in high places. COINTELPRO under J.Edgar Hoover constructed the "criminalization of all groups fighting for civil rights, including the Native American movement, the Puerto Rican Young Lords party along with the Chicano movements. COINTELLPRO most effective strategy was to criminalize these movements by first assanating the leadership, then launching a full scale criminalization media blitz to justify the murderous tactics the FBI and CIA used to crush dessent. The same reasons for most if not all of the assanations of JFK, RFK,KING, MALCHOM X ect. So I see no comparison with street thugs with the systematic well oiled machine that is the new and recent rise of hate groups. Street gangs are designed to kill one another. While white militias are racist people disquised as nationalists. As for religion, most of these white militias use the biblical embellishment of the Noah story to justify their racist views, this same premise was used to justify slavery. In fact many people of the Christian right still assert the "HAMITIC MYTH" the belief in the curse of color among Black peopl. This premise was used by all of Christianity to justify the richs that slavery coupled with 2.3 billion acres of stolen land afforded all whites in America. For Chritians to speak of world atrocitys is the height of hypocracy. Man are you seeing things rather Myopically... First of all Malcom X was a white hater to the MAX! And you dare to look at America's past and use that as a template? WELL THEN LET'S GET HISTORICAL!!! FAMOUS PAST LAND GRABS!!! Here is a little list... Spain and the New World... Bout them Aztecs and California Indians... ENGLAND, FRANCE, SPAIN, PORTUGAL, HOLLAND, AND OF COURSE THE USA AND THEIR COLONIALISM OF THE 1800's? China and Tibet? China and Taiwan? The Moors and Eastern and Souther Europe.. THREE CRUSADES BY THE VATICAN! Muhammad and his march across the Holy Land... But he couldn't quite do the Silk Road in... Ancient ROME! The Mongols... And how about ancient Egypt? RUSSIA AND EASTERN EUROPE!!! I like History. It keeps repeating itself! Shall I spell out all the atrocities committed by each?

AndyBgood Joined Thu 12/25/08 Posts: 12437	Wed 08/08/12 06:40 PM
And speaking of cultural genocide,,, How about those poor Tibetans? Bet they love being scattered all over China. So about American atrocities, that was the 1800s. Lets focus on the here and now. NOT THE PAST!

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 08/08/12 07:54 PM
And speaking of cultural genocide,,, How about those poor Tibetans? Bet they love being scattered all over China. So about American atrocities, that was the 1800s. Lets focus on the here and now. NOT THE PAST! No thank you, I prefer the Jewish mantra of "never forget. Secondly the worlds atrocitys has no meaning here in my country. Does the fact that others committed atrocitys make it better to swallow our own ? As for Malcolm, Whites gave him plenty to hate them for. You think Jews love the Nazis? Of course not. Only a commplete fool would love their natural enemys, whites have been quite consistant in demonstrating this fact. Finally my post clearly is in reference to todays political climate of which has a historical consistancy of deciet by all our past end present goverments. Why are Americans so clueless? Because it insures our false sence of entitlment and a history of deciet beginning in the very begining of this nation when we decided to miseducate our own people. After all, I know a collage professor who refuses to let go of the $24 in trinkets for Manhattan myth, of which is still propagated to this day in all our schools. You have a convinient common attitude,"ah, lets let go of the past". Letting it go assures its repeat, something some wish for.

AndyBgood Joined Thu 12/25/08 Posts: 12437	Wed 08/08/12 11:18 PM
But the Never Forget mentality conveniently forgets other things pertinent to the idea of remembering. America can only be sorry for so much before it is time to say enough. But then again the UN's answer to everything is appeasement. I don't buy that. I suppose you will want to bring in the concept of Bio Weapons into this argument too? Feel free too if you want. That has been going on since the history of war itself! But again myopically focusing on American past sins while ignoring the sins of others that are exactly parallel if not completely the same to what we done if not worst??? Please, that is weak sauce! So what you are trying to say is America is the only nation who did bad things?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 08/08/12 11:18 PM
and ilinois is much bigger than chicago,, I would be interested in knowing the murder rate for the STATE but I will research it myself State of Illinois population is 12,869,257 Chicagoland area population is 9,729,825 I really wouldn't call that much bigger. Therefor I would venture to guess that the states murder rate isn't much higher than Chicago's I dont know where chicagoland Illinois is,, can you clarify? according to 2010 census,, chicago has a population of 2.9 million

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 08/08/12 11:19 PM
law abiding citizens can own guns, they dont need to own semi automatics and the like there is a weapon to 'defend' and then there are weapons that completely anihilate there is no LEGAL reason to own the latter, for those who have them ANYWAY, it makes their criminal status all the easier to determine,,,, That's your opinion on what types of guns people should and can own. Do you know the difference between the types of guns you are talking about? So we should only be able to own guns that we have to reload after every shot? The second amendment read it understand it! A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. after six shots max,, yes