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Topic: Double Standard? Race Card?
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Wed 07/11/12 07:41 AM

Racism



Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage—the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.

Racism claims that the content of a man’s mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man’s convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical factors beyond his control. This is the caveman’s version of the doctrine of innate ideas—or of inherited knowledge—which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of animals, but not between animals and men.

Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination.

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A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race—and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin.

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Like every other form of collectivism, racism is a quest for the unearned. It is a quest for automatic knowledge—for an automatic evaluation of men’s characters that bypasses the responsibility of exercising rational or moral judgment—and, above all, a quest for an automatic self-esteem (or pseudo-self-esteem).

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http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/racism.html

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/tribalism.html




Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination.


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Wed 07/11/12 07:44 AM

In his line of work (economics), Dr. Williams has researched how government economic policies affect minorities. Here are some of his discoveries.

From Walter E. Williams, "Minimum Wage Is Not An Anti-Poverty Tool," Investor's Business Daily, March 24, 2005:

A proposal by Senators Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) to increase the minimum wage from its current $5.15 an hour is a bad idea. Moreover, the idea that minimum wage legislation is an anti-poverty tool is sheer nonsense, says economist Walter E. Williams.

There is little evidence suggesting increases in the minimum wage help the poor. Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics reveal:

- While minimum-wage workers earn $5,000 below the poverty line for a family of three, only 2.2 percent of working adults earn the minimum wage.

- Minimum wages discriminate against the employment of low-skilled workers because employers are not willing to pay $7.25 an hour for a worker whose skills enable him to produce only $4 worth of value per hour.

- The low-skilled worker category is dominated by teenagers who lack the maturity, skills and experience of adults.

Since the majority of minimum wage workers are teens, education and training would seem to be the key to reducing poverty, not fiddling with the minimum wage. Williams says black teenagers are additionally burdened by a grossly fraudulent education, making them less desirable workers, even in low-skilled jobs.

With successive minimum wage hikes, black teen unemployment rose, relative to white teens, to where it's become permanently double that of white teens. The only explanation of these effects is the minimum wage law.


Also:

One of the more insidious effects of the minimum wage is that it lowers the cost of racial discrimination; in fact, minimum wage laws are one of the most effective tools in the arsenals of racists everywhere, as demonstrated by just a couple of examples.

During South Africa's apartheid era, its racist unions were the major supporters of minimum wages for blacks. South Africa's Wage Board said, "The method would be to fix a minimum rate for an occupation or craft so high that no Native would likely be employed."

In the U.S., in the aftermath of a strike by the Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen, when the arbitration board decreed that blacks and whites were to be paid equal wages, the white unionists expressed their delight, saying, "If this course of action is followed by the company and the incentive for employing the Negro thus removed, the strike will not have been in vain."*


(*Quote Source )

I quote Dr. Williams because he gives specific examples of systemic racism.

Now, can anyone else cite a specific example of current racism, either systemic or limited?




Fact: Black youths arrested for drug possession are 48 times more likely to wind up in prison than white youths arrested for the same crime under the same circumstances.

Source: “Young White Offenders get lighter treatment,” 2000. The Tennessean. April 26: 8A.

Fact: Black and Latino men are three times more likely than white men to be stopped by the police and have their cars searched – even though white men are four times more likely to have weapons or drugs.

Source: Matthew R. Durose, Erica L. Schmitt and Patrick A. Langan, Contacts Between Police and the Public: Findings from the 2002 National Survey. U.S. Department of Justice, (Bureau of Justice Statistics), April 2005.

Fact: White men with a criminal record are more likely to be called back for a job interview than black men with no record, even when their education and experience are the same.

Source: Pager, Devah. 2003. “The Mark of a Criminal Record.” American Journal of Sociology. Volume 108: 5, March: 937-75.

Fact: Students of colour are far less likely to be put in honours courses even after you take test scores and grades into account.

Source: Gordon, Rebecca. 1998. Education and Race. Oakland: Applied Research Center: 48-9; Fischer, Claude S. et al., 1996. Inequality by Design: Cracking the Bell Curve Myth. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press: 163; Steinhorn, Leonard and Barabara Diggs-Brown, 1999. By the Color of Our Skin: The Illusion of Integration and the Reality of Race. NY: Dutton: 95-6.

Fact: Students of colour are more than twice as likely to be suspended or expelled from school even though they are not much more likely to break school rules than whites.

Source: Skiba, Russell J. et al., The Color of Discipline: Sources of Racial and Gender Disproportionality in School Punishment. Indiana Education Policy Center, Policy Research Report SRS1, June 2000; U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System: Youth 2003, Online Comprehensive Results, 2004.




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Wed 07/11/12 11:07 AM
Edited by Dodo_David on Wed 07/11/12 11:10 AM
Fact: Black youths arrested for drug possession are 48 times more likely to wind up in prison than white youths arrested for the same crime under the same circumstances.

Source: “Young White Offenders get lighter treatment,” 2000. The Tennessean. April 26: 8A.

Fact: Black and Latino men are three times more likely than white men to be stopped by the police and have their cars searched – even though white men are four times more likely to have weapons or drugs.

Source: Matthew R. Durose, Erica L. Schmitt and Patrick A. Langan, Contacts Between Police and the Public: Findings from the 2002 National Survey. U.S. Department of Justice, (Bureau of Justice Statistics), April 2005.

Fact: White men with a criminal record are more likely to be called back for a job interview than black men with no record, even when their education and experience are the same.

Source: Pager, Devah. 2003. “The Mark of a Criminal Record.” American Journal of Sociology. Volume 108: 5, March: 937-75.

Fact: Students of colour are far less likely to be put in honours courses even after you take test scores and grades into account.

Source: Gordon, Rebecca. 1998. Education and Race. Oakland: Applied Research Center: 48-9; Fischer, Claude S. et al., 1996. Inequality by Design: Cracking the Bell Curve Myth. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press: 163; Steinhorn, Leonard and Barabara Diggs-Brown, 1999. By the Color of Our Skin: The Illusion of Integration and the Reality of Race. NY: Dutton: 95-6.

Fact: Students of colour are more than twice as likely to be suspended or expelled from school even though they are not much more likely to break school rules than whites.

Source: Skiba, Russell J. et al., The Color of Discipline: Sources of Racial and Gender Disproportionality in School Punishment. Indiana Education Policy Center, Policy Research Report SRS1, June 2000; U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System: Youth 2003, Online Comprehensive Results, 2004.



So, now you cite specific cases of apparent systemic racism. What took you so long?

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Wed 07/11/12 11:13 AM

Fact: Black youths arrested for drug possession are 48 times more likely to wind up in prison than white youths arrested for the same crime under the same circumstances.

Source: “Young White Offenders get lighter treatment,” 2000. The Tennessean. April 26: 8A.

Fact: Black and Latino men are three times more likely than white men to be stopped by the police and have their cars searched – even though white men are four times more likely to have weapons or drugs.

Source: Matthew R. Durose, Erica L. Schmitt and Patrick A. Langan, Contacts Between Police and the Public: Findings from the 2002 National Survey. U.S. Department of Justice, (Bureau of Justice Statistics), April 2005.

Fact: White men with a criminal record are more likely to be called back for a job interview than black men with no record, even when their education and experience are the same.

Source: Pager, Devah. 2003. “The Mark of a Criminal Record.” American Journal of Sociology. Volume 108: 5, March: 937-75.

Fact: Students of colour are far less likely to be put in honours courses even after you take test scores and grades into account.

Source: Gordon, Rebecca. 1998. Education and Race. Oakland: Applied Research Center: 48-9; Fischer, Claude S. et al., 1996. Inequality by Design: Cracking the Bell Curve Myth. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press: 163; Steinhorn, Leonard and Barabara Diggs-Brown, 1999. By the Color of Our Skin: The Illusion of Integration and the Reality of Race. NY: Dutton: 95-6.

Fact: Students of colour are more than twice as likely to be suspended or expelled from school even though they are not much more likely to break school rules than whites.

Source: Skiba, Russell J. et al., The Color of Discipline: Sources of Racial and Gender Disproportionality in School Punishment. Indiana Education Policy Center, Policy Research Report SRS1, June 2000; U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System: Youth 2003, Online Comprehensive Results, 2004.



So, now you cite specific cases of apparent systemic racism. What took you so long?



too many to choose from,, as well as having other priroties....:wink:

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Wed 07/11/12 11:18 AM





True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion?

The same should also be asked about those who are against the Christian religion, or any religion. Why did you single out Muslims?


Because the person I was responding to has said things about Muslims before.

In case you missed it, here it is again.

Now, folks who back Muslims who treat their women less than cattle, mutilated the girls sex organs and adore men who sex animals and the dead are some very sick mo-fos, IMO


Not what I was talking about.

Yes, of course I think people who treat women badly, harm women and have sex with animals are completely wrong.

Do you believe every single muslim is like that?

What about catholic priests who have been caught harming little boys? Are all men who are catholics like that?

What about a white christian who beats their spouse? Are all white christians like that?

Do generalizations always work?

it's in their religion, they all treat women like cattle... do you ever read about anything, or just call out others and not know what your talking about?

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Wed 07/11/12 11:23 AM


Racism



Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage—the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.

Racism claims that the content of a man’s mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man’s convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical factors beyond his control. This is the caveman’s version of the doctrine of innate ideas—or of inherited knowledge—which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of animals, but not between animals and men.

Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination.

<<<


A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race—and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin.

<<<<

Like every other form of collectivism, racism is a quest for the unearned. It is a quest for automatic knowledge—for an automatic evaluation of men’s characters that bypasses the responsibility of exercising rational or moral judgment—and, above all, a quest for an automatic self-esteem (or pseudo-self-esteem).

<<<<

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/racism.html

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/tribalism.html




Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination.


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Wed 07/11/12 11:25 AM


In his line of work (economics), Dr. Williams has researched how government economic policies affect minorities. Here are some of his discoveries.

From Walter E. Williams, "Minimum Wage Is Not An Anti-Poverty Tool," Investor's Business Daily, March 24, 2005:

A proposal by Senators Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) to increase the minimum wage from its current $5.15 an hour is a bad idea. Moreover, the idea that minimum wage legislation is an anti-poverty tool is sheer nonsense, says economist Walter E. Williams.

There is little evidence suggesting increases in the minimum wage help the poor. Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics reveal:

- While minimum-wage workers earn $5,000 below the poverty line for a family of three, only 2.2 percent of working adults earn the minimum wage.

- Minimum wages discriminate against the employment of low-skilled workers because employers are not willing to pay $7.25 an hour for a worker whose skills enable him to produce only $4 worth of value per hour.

- The low-skilled worker category is dominated by teenagers who lack the maturity, skills and experience of adults.

Since the majority of minimum wage workers are teens, education and training would seem to be the key to reducing poverty, not fiddling with the minimum wage. Williams says black teenagers are additionally burdened by a grossly fraudulent education, making them less desirable workers, even in low-skilled jobs.

With successive minimum wage hikes, black teen unemployment rose, relative to white teens, to where it's become permanently double that of white teens. The only explanation of these effects is the minimum wage law.


Also:

One of the more insidious effects of the minimum wage is that it lowers the cost of racial discrimination; in fact, minimum wage laws are one of the most effective tools in the arsenals of racists everywhere, as demonstrated by just a couple of examples.

During South Africa's apartheid era, its racist unions were the major supporters of minimum wages for blacks. South Africa's Wage Board said, "The method would be to fix a minimum rate for an occupation or craft so high that no Native would likely be employed."

In the U.S., in the aftermath of a strike by the Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen, when the arbitration board decreed that blacks and whites were to be paid equal wages, the white unionists expressed their delight, saying, "If this course of action is followed by the company and the incentive for employing the Negro thus removed, the strike will not have been in vain."*


(*Quote Source )

I quote Dr. Williams because he gives specific examples of systemic racism.

Now, can anyone else cite a specific example of current racism, either systemic or limited?




Fact: Black youths arrested for drug possession are 48 times more likely to wind up in prison than white youths arrested for the same crime under the same circumstances.

Source: “Young White Offenders get lighter treatment,” 2000. The Tennessean. April 26: 8A.

Fact: Black and Latino men are three times more likely than white men to be stopped by the police and have their cars searched – even though white men are four times more likely to have weapons or drugs.

Source: Matthew R. Durose, Erica L. Schmitt and Patrick A. Langan, Contacts Between Police and the Public: Findings from the 2002 National Survey. U.S. Department of Justice, (Bureau of Justice Statistics), April 2005.

Fact: White men with a criminal record are more likely to be called back for a job interview than black men with no record, even when their education and experience are the same.

Source: Pager, Devah. 2003. “The Mark of a Criminal Record.” American Journal of Sociology. Volume 108: 5, March: 937-75.

Fact: Students of colour are far less likely to be put in honours courses even after you take test scores and grades into account.

Source: Gordon, Rebecca. 1998. Education and Race. Oakland: Applied Research Center: 48-9; Fischer, Claude S. et al., 1996. Inequality by Design: Cracking the Bell Curve Myth. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press: 163; Steinhorn, Leonard and Barabara Diggs-Brown, 1999. By the Color of Our Skin: The Illusion of Integration and the Reality of Race. NY: Dutton: 95-6.

Fact: Students of colour are more than twice as likely to be suspended or expelled from school even though they are not much more likely to break school rules than whites.

Source: Skiba, Russell J. et al., The Color of Discipline: Sources of Racial and Gender Disproportionality in School Punishment. Indiana Education Policy Center, Policy Research Report SRS1, June 2000; U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System: Youth 2003, Online Comprehensive Results, 2004.






i think your list is a little messed up, it's not near as bad as you think it is... let me ask you this: where is most of the crime happening? mostly, in black and Mexican poor neighborhoods... which means the police presence will be more there... police follow the crime, and too bad but, most of the crimes are happening in in black and mexican hoods...so why should they be pulling over more white folks if the they are not looking for white folks?

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Wed 07/11/12 11:26 AM






True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion?

The same should also be asked about those who are against the Christian religion, or any religion. Why did you single out Muslims?


Because the person I was responding to has said things about Muslims before.

In case you missed it, here it is again.

Now, folks who back Muslims who treat their women less than cattle, mutilated the girls sex organs and adore men who sex animals and the dead are some very sick mo-fos, IMO


Not what I was talking about.

Yes, of course I think people who treat women badly, harm women and have sex with animals are completely wrong.

Do you believe every single muslim is like that?

What about catholic priests who have been caught harming little boys? Are all men who are catholics like that?

What about a white christian who beats their spouse? Are all white christians like that?

Do generalizations always work?

it's in their religion, they all treat women like cattle... do you ever read about anything, or just call out others and not know what your talking about?


For some reason, you skipped the other questions.

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Wed 07/11/12 11:35 AM
Many Catholic Cardinals molest boys and or involved in covering up. The Cover up is still a crime.

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Wed 07/11/12 11:35 AM







True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion?

The same should also be asked about those who are against the Christian religion, or any religion. Why did you single out Muslims?


Because the person I was responding to has said things about Muslims before.

In case you missed it, here it is again.

Now, folks who back Muslims who treat their women less than cattle, mutilated the girls sex organs and adore men who sex animals and the dead are some very sick mo-fos, IMO


Not what I was talking about.

Yes, of course I think people who treat women badly, harm women and have sex with animals are completely wrong.

Do you believe every single muslim is like that?

What about catholic priests who have been caught harming little boys? Are all men who are catholics like that?

What about a white christian who beats their spouse? Are all white christians like that?

Do generalizations always work?

it's in their religion, they all treat women like cattle... do you ever read about anything, or just call out others and not know what your talking about?


For some reason, you skipped the other questions.


they didn't matter, you were skipping the point... willing wasn't generalizing, all muslim men treat their women very badly. it is in their religion, and for some dumb reason, the women seem to accept it.

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Wed 07/11/12 11:35 AM
. . . let me ask you this: where is most of the crime happening? mostly, in black and Mexican poor neighborhoods . . .


What evidence do you have to support the above-quoted claim?

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Wed 07/11/12 11:40 AM


they didn't matter, you were skipping the point... willing wasn't generalizing, all muslim men treat their women very badly. it is in their religion, and for some dumb reason, the women seem to accept it.


Ok, so the answer to the first question is yes, you believe all muslims are the same. Now, try to answer the rest.

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Wed 07/11/12 11:42 AM



they didn't matter, you were skipping the point... willing wasn't generalizing, all muslim men treat their women very badly. it is in their religion, and for some dumb reason, the women seem to accept it.


Ok, so the answer to the first question is yes, you believe all muslims are the same. Now, try to answer the rest.


boy you sure do love to twist what moe says. how the puck do you get all muslims are the same from all muslim men treat their women badly. all muslims would include women and children

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Wed 07/11/12 11:48 AM
The Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States, commonly known as the John Jay Report. The Report determined that, during the period from 1950 to 2002, a total of 10,667 individuals had made allegations of child sexual abuse.



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Wed 07/11/12 11:48 AM

. . . let me ask you this: where is most of the crime happening? mostly, in black and Mexican poor neighborhoods . . .


What evidence do you have to support the above-quoted claim?


of course, but you can do your own investigating, and come up with your conclusions on this. if you don't want to believe it, you don't have to. but i take it you have never been to south central LA, or watts, any black/ mexican part of town? where is most of the crack and coke being sold, and by whom? who is the majority in the gangs? is it white people? so you are really thinking there is some big conspiracy to make sure black and mexican go to prison, and not whites?

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Wed 07/11/12 11:51 AM



they didn't matter, you were skipping the point... willing wasn't generalizing, all muslim men treat their women very badly. it is in their religion, and for some dumb reason, the women seem to accept it.


Ok, so the answer to the first question is yes, you believe all muslims are the same. Now, try to answer the rest.




lol think whatever you want, if it makes you happy. no matter what i say, you seem to see something other than what i write.

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Wed 07/11/12 04:40 PM


. . . let me ask you this: where is most of the crime happening? mostly, in black and Mexican poor neighborhoods . . .


What evidence do you have to support the above-quoted claim?


of course, but you can do your own investigating, and come up with your conclusions on this. if you don't want to believe it, you don't have to. but i take it you have never been to south central LA, or watts, any black/ mexican part of town? where is most of the crack and coke being sold, and by whom? who is the majority in the gangs? is it white people? so you are really thinking there is some big conspiracy to make sure black and mexican go to prison, and not whites?


You did not specify any particular type of crime, and thus far, you are speculating. Can you cite any study that supports your claim?

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Wed 07/11/12 04:44 PM



. . . let me ask you this: where is most of the crime happening? mostly, in black and Mexican poor neighborhoods . . .


What evidence do you have to support the above-quoted claim?


of course, but you can do your own investigating, and come up with your conclusions on this. if you don't want to believe it, you don't have to. but i take it you have never been to south central LA, or watts, any black/ mexican part of town? where is most of the crack and coke being sold, and by whom? who is the majority in the gangs? is it white people? so you are really thinking there is some big conspiracy to make sure black and mexican go to prison, and not whites?


You did not specify any particular type of crime, and thus far, you are speculating. Can you cite any study that supports your claim?


if your really interested, i suggest google, or maybe a yahoo search...

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Wed 07/11/12 04:48 PM



In his line of work (economics), Dr. Williams has researched how government economic policies affect minorities. Here are some of his discoveries.

From Walter E. Williams, "Minimum Wage Is Not An Anti-Poverty Tool," Investor's Business Daily, March 24, 2005:

A proposal by Senators Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) to increase the minimum wage from its current $5.15 an hour is a bad idea. Moreover, the idea that minimum wage legislation is an anti-poverty tool is sheer nonsense, says economist Walter E. Williams.

There is little evidence suggesting increases in the minimum wage help the poor. Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics reveal:

- While minimum-wage workers earn $5,000 below the poverty line for a family of three, only 2.2 percent of working adults earn the minimum wage.

- Minimum wages discriminate against the employment of low-skilled workers because employers are not willing to pay $7.25 an hour for a worker whose skills enable him to produce only $4 worth of value per hour.

- The low-skilled worker category is dominated by teenagers who lack the maturity, skills and experience of adults.

Since the majority of minimum wage workers are teens, education and training would seem to be the key to reducing poverty, not fiddling with the minimum wage. Williams says black teenagers are additionally burdened by a grossly fraudulent education, making them less desirable workers, even in low-skilled jobs.

With successive minimum wage hikes, black teen unemployment rose, relative to white teens, to where it's become permanently double that of white teens. The only explanation of these effects is the minimum wage law.


Also:

One of the more insidious effects of the minimum wage is that it lowers the cost of racial discrimination; in fact, minimum wage laws are one of the most effective tools in the arsenals of racists everywhere, as demonstrated by just a couple of examples.

During South Africa's apartheid era, its racist unions were the major supporters of minimum wages for blacks. South Africa's Wage Board said, "The method would be to fix a minimum rate for an occupation or craft so high that no Native would likely be employed."

In the U.S., in the aftermath of a strike by the Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen, when the arbitration board decreed that blacks and whites were to be paid equal wages, the white unionists expressed their delight, saying, "If this course of action is followed by the company and the incentive for employing the Negro thus removed, the strike will not have been in vain."*


(*Quote Source )

I quote Dr. Williams because he gives specific examples of systemic racism.

Now, can anyone else cite a specific example of current racism, either systemic or limited?




Fact: Black youths arrested for drug possession are 48 times more likely to wind up in prison than white youths arrested for the same crime under the same circumstances.

Source: “Young White Offenders get lighter treatment,” 2000. The Tennessean. April 26: 8A.

Fact: Black and Latino men are three times more likely than white men to be stopped by the police and have their cars searched – even though white men are four times more likely to have weapons or drugs.

Source: Matthew R. Durose, Erica L. Schmitt and Patrick A. Langan, Contacts Between Police and the Public: Findings from the 2002 National Survey. U.S. Department of Justice, (Bureau of Justice Statistics), April 2005.

Fact: White men with a criminal record are more likely to be called back for a job interview than black men with no record, even when their education and experience are the same.

Source: Pager, Devah. 2003. “The Mark of a Criminal Record.” American Journal of Sociology. Volume 108: 5, March: 937-75.

Fact: Students of colour are far less likely to be put in honours courses even after you take test scores and grades into account.

Source: Gordon, Rebecca. 1998. Education and Race. Oakland: Applied Research Center: 48-9; Fischer, Claude S. et al., 1996. Inequality by Design: Cracking the Bell Curve Myth. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press: 163; Steinhorn, Leonard and Barabara Diggs-Brown, 1999. By the Color of Our Skin: The Illusion of Integration and the Reality of Race. NY: Dutton: 95-6.

Fact: Students of colour are more than twice as likely to be suspended or expelled from school even though they are not much more likely to break school rules than whites.

Source: Skiba, Russell J. et al., The Color of Discipline: Sources of Racial and Gender Disproportionality in School Punishment. Indiana Education Policy Center, Policy Research Report SRS1, June 2000; U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System: Youth 2003, Online Comprehensive Results, 2004.






i think your list is a little messed up, it's not near as bad as you think it is... let me ask you this: where is most of the crime happening? mostly, in black and Mexican poor neighborhoods... which means the police presence will be more there... police follow the crime, and too bad but, most of the crimes are happening in in black and mexican hoods...so why should they be pulling over more white folks if the they are not looking for white folks?


none of those sources had anything to do with black 'neighborhoods'

it was about
rates of incarceration AFTER ARREST


drug related stops IN LIUE of evidence for drug possession in such stops


employment rates

and tendency to 'throw the book' at a student as opposed to showing leniency


,,,but you bring up a good point about violence in impoverished neighborhoods,,,,

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Wed 07/11/12 04:50 PM


. . . let me ask you this: where is most of the crime happening? mostly, in black and Mexican poor neighborhoods . . .


What evidence do you have to support the above-quoted claim?


of course, but you can do your own investigating, and come up with your conclusions on this. if you don't want to believe it, you don't have to. but i take it you have never been to south central LA, or watts, any black/ mexican part of town? where is most of the crack and coke being sold, and by whom? who is the majority in the gangs? is it white people? so you are really thinking there is some big conspiracy to make sure black and mexican go to prison, and not whites?



there doesnt need to be a 'conspiracy', just a trend that people feel comfortable following

slavery didnt continue so long because so many were ACTIVELY seeking to own slaves but because of those who didnt mind being able to or didnt see a problem with it,,,,

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