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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? The same should also be asked about those who are against the Christian religion, or any religion. Why did you single out Muslims? |
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I wish I had an answer for how to end all racism. Sadly, I do not. You avoiding answering says a lot more than your answers probably would have said, though. Not to get in the middle of this, but don't be a hypocrite. You don't answer questions and just ask questions in response. When called out you say how his avoidance in answering questions says something about him. You yourself are avoiding answering questions and infact his response was related to that. He was talking about ending racism. I was curious if he actually meant racism against everyone, including Muslims. So yes, his avoidance in answering about Muslims does say something. I wish I had a solution that would end racism. Unfortunately, I do not. Neither does anyone else. What exactly does it say about me? |
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? I don't think it's the race but the religion. This is also not unjustified. We have to look at justified and unjustified prejudice. There is a significant number of Muslims that think it is their God given duty yo kill non Muslims and they do make these attacks. Now while this is not all Muslims it is the reason behind the prejudice. This is a cause an effect prejudice if you will. These things will never be corrected as long as the cause is still there. Acceptance and tolerance is not a one way street. This is a different issue then say racism in America which is more just about perception and not about an actual threat. Let's at least be honest about that. you dont think 'perception' leads most westerners to assume what muslims believe? for instance, the bible has just about everything in it that the quran does, from a different author , applied to different situations,, but still there but people dont generally have the same prejudice against christians (and largely because christians arent so easily recognizable by their garb or geographical region).... there are 'christians' who support abortion and death penalty , which are heinous in the eyes of other christians people from all faiths view war differently as do they have different priorities on what justifies war,,,and all wars end up with the powerless and innocent dying,,,, The Bible does not say to go out and kill people who are not your religion. And there are not a large group of people doing this all over the world. SouthPark didn't get censored from showing a pictures of Jesus because they thought they would very attacked by Christians. Yet a whole Muslim episode is gone, not only, not on DVD, was edited extremely when it went on air the first time, some countries refused to air it at all. Let's not pretend any other religion is close to this currently. |
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? I don't think it's the race but the religion. This is also not unjustified. We have to look at justified and unjustified prejudice. There is a significant number of Muslims that think it is their God given duty yo kill non Muslims and they do make these attacks. Now while this is not all Muslims it is the reason behind the prejudice. This is a cause an effect prejudice if you will. These things will never be corrected as long as the cause is still there. Acceptance and tolerance is not a one way street. This is a different issue then say racism in America which is more just about perception and not about an actual threat. Let's at least be honest about that. you dont think 'perception' leads most westerners to assume what muslims believe? for instance, the bible has just about everything in it that the quran does, from a different author , applied to different situations,, but still there but people dont generally have the same prejudice against christians (and largely because christians arent so easily recognizable by their garb or geographical region).... there are 'christians' who support abortion and death penalty , which are heinous in the eyes of other christians people from all faiths view war differently as do they have different priorities on what justifies war,,,and all wars end up with the powerless and innocent dying,,,, The Bible does not say to go out and kill people who are not your religion. And there are not a large group of people doing this all over the world. SouthPark didn't get censored from showing a pictures of Jesus because they thought they would very attacked by Christians. Yet a whole Muslim episode is gone, not only, not on DVD, was edited extremely when it went on air the first time, some countries refused to air it at all. Let's not pretend any other religion is close to this currently. this is what I mean about perception, if we dont hear about it we feel it must not apply They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) that is from the BIBLE,,,although 'christian' people rarely cite it when they are convicted of murders and rarely have it mentioned either,,, I doubt southpark was 'attacked' for merely showing 'picture's of Allah,,, we have a strong cultural representation where censoring is concerned, in many places they have no problem with children seeing nudity but here we censor it in others , they take their religious 'imagery' as serious as they take childrens sensitivity in other places it is different CULTURAL Values that dont exactly validate the bigotry that those in those cultures face,,,, |
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It's Muhammad not Allah and the creators have talked on the matter and have had death threats. And again I ask you to provide examples of radical Christian groups going around killing people. You are arguing just to argue though the items are unrelated. There are training camps for Muslim terrorists, acts of terror all over the world from them. Please give reference to other religions that are threaten people with physical harm and are actually advocating this in a real world sense that would cause people's to be afraid thus justifying a prejudice.
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It's Muhammad not Allah and the creators have talked on the matter and have had death threats. And again I ask you to provide examples of radical Christian groups going around killing people. You are arguing just to argue though the items are unrelated. There are training camps for Muslim terrorists, acts of terror all over the world from them. Please give reference to other religions that are threaten people with physical harm and are actually advocating this in a real world sense that would cause people's to be afraid thus justifying a prejudice. Actually, Catholics have destroyed pure, natural cultures all over South America. They are the ones who paved the way for the de-foresters. With the diseases they brought with them, they also wiped out whole tribes. Now, folks who back Muslims who treat their women less than cattle, mutilated the girls sex organs and adore men who sex animals and the dead are some very sick mo-fos, IMO |
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Edited by
Dodo_David
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Tue 07/10/12 03:18 PM
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Now, I will again post the comments made by that member of the Congressional Black Caucus. This time there are no blanks.
I really feel that it is demeaning to me to think that I need some individual to justify me and my existence. Look, I went through 22 years being in the military, I rose to the rank of Lt. Colonel, I have a bachelor and 2 masters degrees. And for these white liberals to believe they can have this condescending manner toward black conservatives that we need to have approval from our quote unquote, I guess “masters”, for us to be able to speak – see that’s where the true racism really lies, Governor*, is with the white liberals who don’t want to see someone such as myself that broke away from their dependency class and is out here and able to possibly contend against them with the policies that they are promoting that’s destroying the black community. I know I’m their #1 target and it just emboldens me to speak out even stronger. And the heck with them if they think someone else needs to approve of me and what I stand for. (Quote Source) Again, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus is saying that some white politicians are promoting policies that are destroying the black community. During a 2011 interview, black economist Walter E. Williams, Ph.D. stated, "The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do, and that is to destroy the black family." (Quote Source) So, are government policies that harm black families racist in nature? (*The person conducting the interview was former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee.) |
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Equality in opportunity does not guarantee equality in outcome.
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 07/10/12 05:34 PM
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Now, I will again post the comments made by that member of the Congressional Black Caucus. This time there are no blanks. I really feel that it is demeaning to me to think that I need some individual to justify me and my existence. Look, I went through 22 years being in the military, I rose to the rank of Lt. Colonel, I have a bachelor and 2 masters degrees. And for these white liberals to believe they can have this condescending manner toward black conservatives that we need to have approval from our quote unquote, I guess “masters”, for us to be able to speak – see that’s where the true racism really lies, Governor*, is with the white liberals who don’t want to see someone such as myself that broke away from their dependency class and is out here and able to possibly contend against them with the policies that they are promoting that’s destroying the black community. I know I’m their #1 target and it just emboldens me to speak out even stronger. And the heck with them if they think someone else needs to approve of me and what I stand for. (Quote Source) Again, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus is saying that some white politicians are promoting policies that are destroying the black community. During a 2011 interview, black economist Walter E. Williams, Ph.D. stated, "The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do, and that is to destroy the black family." (Quote Source) So, are government policies that harm black families racist in nature? (*The person conducting the interview was former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee.) I was aware who the quote was from. I discuss race relations in other venues and the same names and points often come up. I think welfare is very much like insulin, for some it can be a life saver and for others it can cause terrible side effects. I believe the point of the quote is simplistic and false, as the reason welfare has been able to flourish was because of ALREADY EXISTING destruction of certain families. |
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Equality in opportunity does not guarantee equality in outcome. nothing in life is a guarantee,,,,except that nothing is guaranteed,,,,lol |
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? The same should also be asked about those who are against the Christian religion, or any religion. Why did you single out Muslims? Because the person I was responding to has said things about Muslims before. |
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? The same should also be asked about those who are against the Christian religion, or any religion. Why did you single out Muslims? Because the person I was responding to has said things about Muslims before. In case you missed it, here it is again. Now, folks who back Muslims who treat their women less than cattle, mutilated the girls sex organs and adore men who sex animals and the dead are some very sick mo-fos, IMO |
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? The same should also be asked about those who are against the Christian religion, or any religion. Why did you single out Muslims? Because the person I was responding to has said things about Muslims before. In case you missed it, here it is again. Now, folks who back Muslims who treat their women less than cattle, mutilated the girls sex organs and adore men who sex animals and the dead are some very sick mo-fos, IMO Not what I was talking about. Yes, of course I think people who treat women badly, harm women and have sex with animals are completely wrong. Do you believe every single muslim is like that? What about catholic priests who have been caught harming little boys? Are all men who are catholics like that? What about a white christian who beats their spouse? Are all white christians like that? Do generalizations always work? |
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? The same should also be asked about those who are against the Christian religion, or any religion. Why did you single out Muslims? Because the person I was responding to has said things about Muslims before. In case you missed it, here it is again. Now, folks who back Muslims who treat their women less than cattle, mutilated the girls sex organs and adore men who sex animals and the dead are some very sick mo-fos, IMO Not what I was talking about. Yes, of course I think people who treat women badly, harm women and have sex with animals are completely wrong. Do you believe every single muslim is like that? What about catholic priests who have been caught harming little boys? Are all men who are catholics like that? What about a white christian who beats their spouse? Are all white christians like that? Do generalizations always work? Move to the Middle East. You will see, the wife beaters are Muslim and they are the majority. Women in the ME are property. They can be killed just because their husband accuses them of adultery. Sharia is creeping into the US. 10 years ago, there was not 1 honor killing reported. Now, they are as common as car jacking and hookers. |
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? The same should also be asked about those who are against the Christian religion, or any religion. Why did you single out Muslims? Because the person I was responding to has said things about Muslims before. In case you missed it, here it is again. Now, folks who back Muslims who treat their women less than cattle, mutilated the girls sex organs and adore men who sex animals and the dead are some very sick mo-fos, IMO Not what I was talking about. Yes, of course I think people who treat women badly, harm women and have sex with animals are completely wrong. Do you believe every single muslim is like that? What about catholic priests who have been caught harming little boys? Are all men who are catholics like that? What about a white christian who beats their spouse? Are all white christians like that? Do generalizations always work? Move to the Middle East. You will see, the wife beaters are Muslim and they are the majority. Women in the ME are property. They can be killed just because their husband accuses them of adultery. Sharia is creeping into the US. 10 years ago, there was not 1 honor killing reported. Now, they are as common as car jacking and hookers. an increase in reporting does not mean an increase in incidence,, just an increase in INTEREST I remember several years ago a particular summer where EVERY Week was another missing little blonde girl reported, you would have thought there was some 'new wave' of abduction,, but in reality , abduction rates had been steadily on the decline yet, once one story broke and got SO MUCH viewership,,that type of story became more profitable to report than it had previously been,,,, |
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? The same should also be asked about those who are against the Christian religion, or any religion. Why did you single out Muslims? Because the person I was responding to has said things about Muslims before. In case you missed it, here it is again. Now, folks who back Muslims who treat their women less than cattle, mutilated the girls sex organs and adore men who sex animals and the dead are some very sick mo-fos, IMO Not what I was talking about. Yes, of course I think people who treat women badly, harm women and have sex with animals are completely wrong. Do you believe every single muslim is like that? What about catholic priests who have been caught harming little boys? Are all men who are catholics like that? What about a white christian who beats their spouse? Are all white christians like that? Do generalizations always work? Move to the Middle East. You will see, the wife beaters are Muslim and they are the majority. Women in the ME are property. They can be killed just because their husband accuses them of adultery. Sharia is creeping into the US. 10 years ago, there was not 1 honor killing reported. Now, they are as common as car jacking and hookers. an increase in reporting does not mean an increase in incidence,, just an increase in INTEREST I remember several years ago a particular summer where EVERY Week was another missing little blonde girl reported, you would have thought there was some 'new wave' of abduction,, but in reality , abduction rates had been steadily on the decline yet, once one story broke and got SO MUCH viewership,,that type of story became more profitable to report than it had previously been,,,, If there had been honor killings 10 years ago you bet there would have been plenty of interest. |
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? The same should also be asked about those who are against the Christian religion, or any religion. Why did you single out Muslims? Because the person I was responding to has said things about Muslims before. In case you missed it, here it is again. Now, folks who back Muslims who treat their women less than cattle, mutilated the girls sex organs and adore men who sex animals and the dead are some very sick mo-fos, IMO Not what I was talking about. Yes, of course I think people who treat women badly, harm women and have sex with animals are completely wrong. Do you believe every single muslim is like that? What about catholic priests who have been caught harming little boys? Are all men who are catholics like that? What about a white christian who beats their spouse? Are all white christians like that? Do generalizations always work? Move to the Middle East. You will see, the wife beaters are Muslim and they are the majority. Women in the ME are property. They can be killed just because their husband accuses them of adultery. Sharia is creeping into the US. 10 years ago, there was not 1 honor killing reported. Now, they are as common as car jacking and hookers. an increase in reporting does not mean an increase in incidence,, just an increase in INTEREST I remember several years ago a particular summer where EVERY Week was another missing little blonde girl reported, you would have thought there was some 'new wave' of abduction,, but in reality , abduction rates had been steadily on the decline yet, once one story broke and got SO MUCH viewership,,that type of story became more profitable to report than it had previously been,,,, If there had been honor killings 10 years ago you bet there would have been plenty of interest. the same could have been said about little blonde girls going missing and being REPORTED on that summer,, it had been happening even more the decade before, and yet, people were apparently MORE interestd in some other type of story,, probably drug crimes as that was the age of 'the war on drugs',,,, well before the 'war on terrorism' which often translates 'war on muslims' to many westerners,,, |
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? The same should also be asked about those who are against the Christian religion, or any religion. Why did you single out Muslims? Because the person I was responding to has said things about Muslims before. In case you missed it, here it is again. Now, folks who back Muslims who treat their women less than cattle, mutilated the girls sex organs and adore men who sex animals and the dead are some very sick mo-fos, IMO Not what I was talking about. Yes, of course I think people who treat women badly, harm women and have sex with animals are completely wrong. Do you believe every single muslim is like that? What about catholic priests who have been caught harming little boys? Are all men who are catholics like that? What about a white christian who beats their spouse? Are all white christians like that? Do generalizations always work? Move to the Middle East. You will see, the wife beaters are Muslim and they are the majority. Women in the ME are property. They can be killed just because their husband accuses them of adultery. Sharia is creeping into the US. 10 years ago, there was not 1 honor killing reported. Now, they are as common as car jacking and hookers. Telling me to move to the Middle East doesn't answer those questions. Are you going to answer them, Willing? |
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Edited by
Dodo_David
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Tue 07/10/12 08:07 PM
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In his line of work (economics), Dr. Williams has researched how government economic policies affect minorities. Here are some of his discoveries.
From Walter E. Williams, "Minimum Wage Is Not An Anti-Poverty Tool," Investor's Business Daily, March 24, 2005: A proposal by Senators Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) to increase the minimum wage from its current $5.15 an hour is a bad idea. Moreover, the idea that minimum wage legislation is an anti-poverty tool is sheer nonsense, says economist Walter E. Williams. There is little evidence suggesting increases in the minimum wage help the poor. Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics reveal: - While minimum-wage workers earn $5,000 below the poverty line for a family of three, only 2.2 percent of working adults earn the minimum wage. - Minimum wages discriminate against the employment of low-skilled workers because employers are not willing to pay $7.25 an hour for a worker whose skills enable him to produce only $4 worth of value per hour. - The low-skilled worker category is dominated by teenagers who lack the maturity, skills and experience of adults. Since the majority of minimum wage workers are teens, education and training would seem to be the key to reducing poverty, not fiddling with the minimum wage. Williams says black teenagers are additionally burdened by a grossly fraudulent education, making them less desirable workers, even in low-skilled jobs. With successive minimum wage hikes, black teen unemployment rose, relative to white teens, to where it's become permanently double that of white teens. The only explanation of these effects is the minimum wage law. Also: One of the more insidious effects of the minimum wage is that it lowers the cost of racial discrimination; in fact, minimum wage laws are one of the most effective tools in the arsenals of racists everywhere, as demonstrated by just a couple of examples. During South Africa's apartheid era, its racist unions were the major supporters of minimum wages for blacks. South Africa's Wage Board said, "The method would be to fix a minimum rate for an occupation or craft so high that no Native would likely be employed." In the U.S., in the aftermath of a strike by the Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen, when the arbitration board decreed that blacks and whites were to be paid equal wages, the white unionists expressed their delight, saying, "If this course of action is followed by the company and the incentive for employing the Negro thus removed, the strike will not have been in vain."* (*Quote Source ) I quote Dr. Williams because he gives specific examples of systemic racism. Now, can anyone else cite a specific example of current racism, either systemic or limited? |
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Racism
¶ Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage—the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors. Racism claims that the content of a man’s mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man’s convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical factors beyond his control. This is the caveman’s version of the doctrine of innate ideas—or of inherited knowledge—which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of animals, but not between animals and men. Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination. <<< A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race—and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin. <<<< Like every other form of collectivism, racism is a quest for the unearned. It is a quest for automatic knowledge—for an automatic evaluation of men’s characters that bypasses the responsibility of exercising rational or moral judgment—and, above all, a quest for an automatic self-esteem (or pseudo-self-esteem). <<<< http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/racism.html http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/tribalism.html |
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