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I think discussing race and pulling a race card ate different. IMO pulling the race card is trying to make a non racist issue seem like a race issue by exclaiming, it's because I am "insert race". Now in my experience this is usually done by less educated black people. I don't know if they truly are falsely assuming racism or using it to manipulate people. It was quite common in Jr high and high school when I was growing up. But as I got older I didn't see it much. I think it's counter productive to racial equality to always bring up race. When I was in college there was a NSBE chapter at my school. National Society of Black Engineers. I was is IEEE or institute of electrical and electronic engineers. We had some engineering classmates in the organization who were black and refused to join NESB. They too didn't like an organization that was racially based even if only by name. Unity isn't created by segregation. really? so when I have family reunions,, we arent creating unity? does everyone always have to do everything with everyone else? why have democrats AND republicans? why have boys AND girls? why have college degrees AND hs diplomas there is nothing DIVISIVE about people who share a common history or experience coming together to build that into something better, so long as it isnt at the expense of oppression of someone else what resarch shows is that in the educational system in america , minorities do not have the same encouragement to move into certain fields as others do thats why we have a WOMENS basketball league,, basketball was considered a mans sport and so women made their own because it was their WAY IN,,,,their way to socialize with others who share experiences if there is already an engineers club at school thats great, but sometimes people get tired of being the MINORITY of a group and want to go somewhere where they might truly feel like they have a common experience to share with others there look up the demographics of engineers and Im sure you will find females and other minorities are not highly represented,,,for them to unite to try and get some EXPOSURE does not necessarily stump whatever 'unity' is imagined to have happened without that effort,,,, And yet a white society of engineers would be considered racist even though Asians claim the majority of engineers. I am not saying you can't have diversity. I am saying don't join race oriented groups while simultaneously complaining about people identifying you by race. You can opt for special treatment or equal treatment. I don't care which, just don't be a hypocrite. no hypocrisy here no desire for 'special' treatment either Why do you assume all comments are directed at you? This was a general blanketed statement. When you have an engineering degree you typically don't face much discrimination. They are interested in what you can bring to the company and not your race. You look at my response as not serious? It is 100% serious. If we want to have racial equality then we need to stop focusing on race. Think of someone as a person and not a race. For example removing the race question from college applications and job applications would be closer to racial equality. the pronoun 'YOU' can be quite ambivalent as in You can opt for special treatment or equal treatment. I don't care which, just don't be a hypocrite. and what do you consider 'focusing' on race? is it aknowledging it, or aknowleding its relevance within american culture or the affects of that relevance? would no longer mentioning it or aknowledging it(in the open) close the racial equailty gap? do you think things were more equal before civil rights started 'focusing' on racial and gender inequality? nto talking about illness doesnt cure illness,, you have to KNOW a problem before you can address it,, that requires some focus None of this makes my point any less true. And now you consider race an illness? Something that needs to be cured? Wow what a bad point of view. I don't believe there is much racial inequality in this country if you strictly look at race. There is financial inequality and maybe more on one race is poor that is true, but if you look at two people in identical situations financially then the gap isn't nearly as big. I don't think there are large civil rights issues anymore. If there are please state what rights are different between races currently. |
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I think discussing race and pulling a race card ate different. IMO pulling the race card is trying to make a non racist issue seem like a race issue by exclaiming, it's because I am "insert race". Now in my experience this is usually done by less educated black people. I don't know if they truly are falsely assuming racism or using it to manipulate people. It was quite common in Jr high and high school when I was growing up. But as I got older I didn't see it much. I think it's counter productive to racial equality to always bring up race. When I was in college there was a NSBE chapter at my school. National Society of Black Engineers. I was is IEEE or institute of electrical and electronic engineers. We had some engineering classmates in the organization who were black and refused to join NESB. They too didn't like an organization that was racially based even if only by name. Unity isn't created by segregation. really? so when I have family reunions,, we arent creating unity? does everyone always have to do everything with everyone else? why have democrats AND republicans? why have boys AND girls? why have college degrees AND hs diplomas there is nothing DIVISIVE about people who share a common history or experience coming together to build that into something better, so long as it isnt at the expense of oppression of someone else what resarch shows is that in the educational system in america , minorities do not have the same encouragement to move into certain fields as others do thats why we have a WOMENS basketball league,, basketball was considered a mans sport and so women made their own because it was their WAY IN,,,,their way to socialize with others who share experiences if there is already an engineers club at school thats great, but sometimes people get tired of being the MINORITY of a group and want to go somewhere where they might truly feel like they have a common experience to share with others there look up the demographics of engineers and Im sure you will find females and other minorities are not highly represented,,,for them to unite to try and get some EXPOSURE does not necessarily stump whatever 'unity' is imagined to have happened without that effort,,,, And yet a white society of engineers would be considered racist even though Asians claim the majority of engineers. I am not saying you can't have diversity. I am saying don't join race oriented groups while simultaneously complaining about people identifying you by race. You can opt for special treatment or equal treatment. I don't care which, just don't be a hypocrite. no hypocrisy here no desire for 'special' treatment either Why do you assume all comments are directed at you? This was a general blanketed statement. When you have an engineering degree you typically don't face much discrimination. They are interested in what you can bring to the company and not your race. You look at my response as not serious? It is 100% serious. If we want to have racial equality then we need to stop focusing on race. Think of someone as a person and not a race. For example removing the race question from college applications and job applications would be closer to racial equality. the pronoun 'YOU' can be quite ambivalent as in You can opt for special treatment or equal treatment. I don't care which, just don't be a hypocrite. and what do you consider 'focusing' on race? is it aknowledging it, or aknowleding its relevance within american culture or the affects of that relevance? would no longer mentioning it or aknowledging it(in the open) close the racial equailty gap? do you think things were more equal before civil rights started 'focusing' on racial and gender inequality? nto talking about illness doesnt cure illness,, you have to KNOW a problem before you can address it,, that requires some focus None of this makes my point any less true. And now you consider race an illness? Something that needs to be cured? Wow what a bad point of view. I don't believe there is much racial inequality in this country if you strictly look at race. There is financial inequality and maybe more on one race is poor that is true, but if you look at two people in identical situations financially then the gap isn't nearly as big. I don't think there are large civil rights issues anymore. If there are please state what rights are different between races currently. this is my point, its impossible to start a true conversation about RACISM and its affects within the AMERICAN Culture RACIST policy, law, history,, is indeed a lingering illness to true pprogress, yes. there is a difference in how 'justice' is applied racially speaking there is a difference in how education is handled racially speaking there is a difference in employment opportunities racially speaking there is a difference in how background is viewed and how benefit of the doubt is dispersed in all the above institutions,, racially speaking |
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As long as one side continues to protect and defend their racists, there can be no discussion on how to end racism.
Here is the type of people that follow Eugene and his NOI. |
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As long as one side continues to protect and defend their racists, there can be no discussion on how to end racism. Here is the type of people that follow Eugene and his NOI. there seems to be an obsesssion with 'eugene', he has little collective power over the american infrastructure anymore than 'david duke' does so neither is really a relevant subject in the discussion on how to improve the current racial landscape.... |
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Edited by
willing2
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Tue 07/10/12 11:38 AM
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Allah Will ‘Bring Down’ America’s Skyscrapers: Horrific New Farrakhan Audio Praising Sharia Law and Threatening ‘Death’ Unless ‘America Submits’
May 29, 2012 at 5:48pm by Billy Hallowell Farrakhan erupts in fervent conclusion to nearly three-hour speech Speaks favorably of sharia law and seems highlights violent actions within it Says that if the U.S. bombs Iran, Allah will “take out” U.S. cities “with earthquakes” Farrakhan promises that Allah will “kill a lot” and bring calamity until “America submits” http://www.theblaze.com/stories/allah-will-bring-down-americas-skyscrapers-horrific-new-farrakhan-audio-praising-sharia-law-and-threatening-death-unless-america-submits/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- 'eugene', he has little collective power over the american infrastructure
anymore than 'david duke' does so neither is really a relevant subject in the discussion on how to improve the current racial landscape.... You're always saying how eugene has evolved. He, Jesse, Wright, Sharpie and the panthers being brought down would be a great start to improving race relations. Instead, they are allowed to perpetuate the hate. More Wesley Willis hate-mongering member of Eugene's Nation of Islam. http://www.lyricstime.com/wesley-willis-louis-farrakhan-lyrics.html |
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Edited by
Dodo_David
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Tue 07/10/12 11:38 AM
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there is a difference in how 'justice' is applied racially speaking
there is a difference in how education is handled racially speaking there is a difference in employment opportunities racially speaking there is a difference in how background is viewed and how benefit of the doubt is dispersed in all the above institutions,, racially speaking msharmony, you have not given any concrete examples of what you are talking about. That is what people here are asking for. Now, since you want to have a dialog about race, I will provide an excerpt from an interview of a member of the Congressional Black Caucus: I really feel that it is demeaning to me to think that I need some individual to justify me and my existence. Look, I went through 22 years being in the military, I rose to the rank of Lt. Colonel, I have a bachelor and 2 masters degrees. And for these white _____1_____ to believe they can have this condescending manner toward black _____2_____ that we need to have approval from our quote unquote, I guess “masters”, for us to be able to speak – see that’s where the true racism really lies ___3______ is with the white ___4_____ who don’t want to see someone such as myself that broke away from ______5____________ and is out here and able to possibly contend against them with the policies that they are promoting that’s destroying the black community. I know I’m their #1 target and it just emboldens me to speak out even stronger.
And the heck with them if they think someone else needs to approve of me and what I stand for. So, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus is claiming that some white people are engaging in racism by the way that those white people are treating the congressman. The congressman claims that these particular white people are promoting policies that are harmful to the black community. Now, do you agree with the congressman, that the policies of white politicians are continuing to harm the black community? (I will fill in the above blanks later.) |
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As long as one side continues to protect and defend their racists, there can be no discussion on how to end racism. Here is the type of people that follow Eugene and his NOI. How would you end racism, Willing? Does that include ending racism all together? Even bigotry against Muslims? |
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Allah Will ‘Bring Down’ America’s Skyscrapers: Horrific New Farrakhan Audio Praising Sharia Law and Threatening ‘Death’ Unless ‘America Submits’ May 29, 2012 at 5:48pm by Billy Hallowell Farrakhan erupts in fervent conclusion to nearly three-hour speech Speaks favorably of sharia law and seems highlights violent actions within it Says that if the U.S. bombs Iran, Allah will “take out” U.S. cities “with earthquakes” Farrakhan promises that Allah will “kill a lot” and bring calamity until “America submits” http://www.theblaze.com/stories/allah-will-bring-down-americas-skyscrapers-horrific-new-farrakhan-audio-praising-sharia-law-and-threatening-death-unless-america-submits/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- 'eugene', he has little collective power over the american infrastructure
anymore than 'david duke' does so neither is really a relevant subject in the discussion on how to improve the current racial landscape.... You're always saying how eugene has evolved. He, Jesse, Wright, Sharpie and the panthers being brought down would be a great start to improving race relations. Instead, they are allowed to perpetuate the hate. More Wesley Willis hate-mongering member of Eugene's Nation of Islam. http://www.lyricstime.com/wesley-willis-louis-farrakhan-lyrics.html cleverly left out , from the same article '(in all fairness, while making these comments, he did say that “Islam needs reform,“ and that his Arab brothers need ”mercy from God“ so they can get ”strong enough to live sharia” — but both statements came without proper explanation). |
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As long as one side continues to protect and defend their racists, there can be no discussion on how to end racism. Here is the type of people that follow Eugene and his NOI. How would you end racism, Willing? Does that include ending racism all together? Even bigotry against Muslims? Stamping out Sharia would limit their power. How would you end racism? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 07/10/12 11:54 AM
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there is a difference in how 'justice' is applied racially speaking
there is a difference in how education is handled racially speaking there is a difference in employment opportunities racially speaking there is a difference in how background is viewed and how benefit of the doubt is dispersed in all the above institutions,, racially speaking msharmony, you have not given any concrete examples of what you are talking about. That is what people here are asking for. Now, since you want to have a dialog about race, I will provide an excerpt from an interview of a member of the Congressional Black Caucus: I really feel that it is demeaning to me to think that I need some individual to justify me and my existence. Look, I went through 22 years being in the military, I rose to the rank of Lt. Colonel, I have a bachelor and 2 masters degrees. And for these white _____1_____ to believe they can have this condescending manner toward black _____2_____ that we need to have approval from our quote unquote, I guess “masters”, for us to be able to speak – see that’s where the true racism really lies ___3______ is with the white ___4_____ who don’t want to see someone such as myself that broke away from ______5____________ and is out here and able to possibly contend against them with the policies that they are promoting that’s destroying the black community. I know I’m their #1 target and it just emboldens me to speak out even stronger.
And the heck with them if they think someone else needs to approve of me and what I stand for. So, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus is claiming that some white people are engaging in racism by the way that those white people are treating the congressman. The congressman claims that these particular white people are promoting policies that are harmful to the black community. Now, do you agree with the congressman, that the policies of white politicians are continuing to harm the black community? (I will fill in the above blanks later.) yes, and no I dont believe there is any indication that a congressman (of any color) needs 'permission' to say whatever they want to say. In fact, controversy seems to gain support for many politicians. I do believe there are policies that disproportionately harm the black community which are pushed by politicians (sometimes democrat and sometimes republican, there is no ABSOLUTE correlation to party either).... I think there is much more indirect policy than direct policy because I think america is gearing towards an aristocracy where the wealthy will become more and more of the dictators over everyone else. People in power in this media driven culture require funds to stay in the media and to infiltrate their messages into the voting publics minds. So policy is often , in my opinion, directed towards the favor of those holding the wealth. this INDIRECTLY means that blacks continue to be disenfranchised BECAUSE Wealth has been so directly tied to race for so long in american history,,,,, |
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As long as one side continues to protect and defend their racists, there can be no discussion on how to end racism. Here is the type of people that follow Eugene and his NOI. How would you end racism, Willing? Does that include ending racism all together? Even bigotry against Muslims? Stamping out Sharia would limit their power. How would you end racism? What about racism and bigotry against them? Surely with all the talk here about being against racism, you would be against that as well, right? |
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As long as one side continues to protect and defend their racists, there can be no discussion on how to end racism. Here is the type of people that follow Eugene and his NOI. How would you end racism, Willing? Does that include ending racism all together? Even bigotry against Muslims? Stamping out Sharia would limit their power. How would you end racism? What about racism and bigotry against them? Surely with all the talk here about being against racism, you would be against that as well, right? Questions, questions and more questions. Where are your answers? |
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I wish I had an answer for how to end all racism. Sadly, I do not.
You avoiding answering says a lot more than your answers probably would have said, though. |
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I dont think we can 'end' racism. That is to say, we cant stop any form of bigotry on personal and individual levels. But we can guard and regulate how far those personal bigotries bleed over into the PROGRESS of the american community of diverse backgrounds and ethnicities.
The institutional effects of the institutional racism are something we can collectively address and improve upon,, peopls personal and private feelings arent the issue unless or until those people have REAL influence over others lives and particularly if it is a collective influence. |
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Edited by
Chazster
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Tue 07/10/12 12:34 PM
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I wish I had an answer for how to end all racism. Sadly, I do not. You avoiding answering says a lot more than your answers probably would have said, though. Not to get in the middle of this, but don't be a hypocrite. You don't answer questions and just ask questions in response. When called out you say how his avoidance in answering questions says something about him. You yourself are avoiding answering questions and infact his response was related to that. |
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I wish I had an answer for how to end all racism. Sadly, I do not. You avoiding answering says a lot more than your answers probably would have said, though. Not to get in the middle of this, but don't be a hypocrite. You don't answer questions and just ask questions in response. When called out you say how his avoidance in answering questions says something about him. You yourself are avoiding answering questions and infact his response was related to that. He was talking about ending racism. I was curious if he actually meant racism against everyone, including Muslims. So yes, his avoidance in answering about Muslims does say something. I wish I had a solution that would end racism. Unfortunately, I do not. Neither does anyone else. |
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Edited by
Chazster
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Tue 07/10/12 01:09 PM
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I wish I had an answer for how to end all racism. Sadly, I do not. You avoiding answering says a lot more than your answers probably would have said, though. Not to get in the middle of this, but don't be a hypocrite. You don't answer questions and just ask questions in response. When called out you say how his avoidance in answering questions says something about him. You yourself are avoiding answering questions and infact his response was related to that. He was talking about ending racism. I was curious if he actually meant racism against everyone, including Muslims. So yes, his avoidance in answering about Muslims does say something. I wish I had a solution that would end racism. Unfortunately, I do not. Neither does anyone else. Except Muslim is a person who follows the Islam religion. Not a race. |
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion?
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? I don't think it's the race but the religion. This is also not unjustified. We have to look at justified and unjustified prejudice. There is a significant number of Muslims that think it is their God given duty yo kill non Muslims and they do make these attacks. Now while this is not all Muslims it is the reason behind the prejudice. This is a cause an effect prejudice if you will. These things will never be corrected as long as the cause is still there. Acceptance and tolerance is not a one way street. This is a different issue then say racism in America which is more just about perception and not about an actual threat. Let's at least be honest about that. |
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True. I did mention bigotry against them as well. Racism and bigotry do tend to go hand and hand. Though, do you think people aren't racist against those races who do follow the Muslim religion? I don't think it's the race but the religion. This is also not unjustified. We have to look at justified and unjustified prejudice. There is a significant number of Muslims that think it is their God given duty yo kill non Muslims and they do make these attacks. Now while this is not all Muslims it is the reason behind the prejudice. This is a cause an effect prejudice if you will. These things will never be corrected as long as the cause is still there. Acceptance and tolerance is not a one way street. This is a different issue then say racism in America which is more just about perception and not about an actual threat. Let's at least be honest about that. you dont think 'perception' leads most westerners to assume what muslims believe? for instance, the bible has just about everything in it that the quran does, from a different author , applied to different situations,, but still there but people dont generally have the same prejudice against christians (and largely because christians arent so easily recognizable by their garb or geographical region).... there are 'christians' who support abortion and death penalty , which are heinous in the eyes of other christians people from all faiths view war differently as do they have different priorities on what justifies war,,,and all wars end up with the powerless and innocent dying,,,, |
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