You keep specifying "born again" but that flies in the face of Romans 2.

And yes, all scripture is profitable for teaching. Without all the man-made crap, you wouldn't have truth in the scriptures that predicts the myths and doctrines of men...

How can you discern the truth if there is no falsehood in there?

Yes...there are scriptures that warn us of people

falling for myths and following after doctrines of men......

BUT ...THE ... BIBLE... DID... NOT... SAY... THAT...

THE ...BIBLE... ITSELF ... CONTAINS... MYTHS... AND... THE...

DOCTRINES... OF... MAN !!!!!

AS YOU , PETER_PAN SEEM TO BELIEVE .


And the only reason I even bother, is because it GRIEVES my

heart to see how the enemy has sooo deceived you, along

with many others today, into thinking God's Word actually

contains errors !!!!



Sadly, this is nothing but a slick TACTIC of the ENEMY to

TURN as many people AWAY from GOD AND HIS WORD ,as much as

possible.


I mean, what better way for the enemy to turn people away from

God and His Word, than to TWIST scripture , in order to to make it

APPEAR that scriptures ARE SPEAKING AGAINST SCRIPTURES !!!


what better way for the enemy to try and get back at The Most

High God !!!


Wow.

How the devil BLINDS people into falling for his dirty tricky

deception......and ONLY GOD can open peoples

BLINDED eyes, and wake people up !!!!



.

Those pagan myths and doctrines are not "true" scripture.

You will have to convince me that Hades is not a myth before you can even think about trying to convince me that the Bible is "infallible", PERIOD.

The Bible says to reject myths and doctrines of men, so why do you support them?


That man-made crap is NOT God's word and you've been deceived if you think it is.

The Spirit of Truth will NOT call evil good and good evil.

Peter_pan....Scriptures says Jesus was slain from

the very foundations of the world.


SINCE you think Jesus Ultimate Sacrifice of Himself as atonement

for our sins is an error, then you will have to call ALL of

God's Word error..including the scripture that Jesus was

slain from the very foundations of the world !!!



IF you call one part of scripture error, the whole of

scripture then falls apart !!!!


THAT is how finely woven together ALL of Gods Word is...

IF you take one part of scripture out and call it error, it ALL would fall apart then.

Please
wake up, Peter_pan.

Mark 8:31-38
New International Version (NIV)

Jesus Predicts His Death
31 He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.
33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

The Way of the Cross
34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35 For whoever wants to save their life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it. 36 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? 37 Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”
Footnotes:
a.Mark 8:35 The Greek word means either life or soul; also in verses 36 and 37.


You deny His words to support your myths. There is no "all or nothing" unless you are blind and deceived.


You wake up, I've been "awake" since I was 4...

Once more...you think scriptures would actually be

speaking against ITSELF !!!

You think Instead of just giving us the message ,or warning us of

what is going on OUT THERE IN THE WORLD , you think scriptures

is telling us that scriptures ITSELF comtains MYTHS and ERRORS.


And also along with that ( regarding the scriptures you just

now mentioned above ):

you can't just pick that one scripture to make it say

whatever you want, and then ignore the other scriptures that

says you must be BORN AGAIN.



Sorry... you can't just throw the scriptures away that

mentioned Christ ultimate sacrifice for mankind,and call it

myths or error.


Like I said before, you would have to throw out the scripture

that ALSO says Jesus was slain form the very foundations of

the world !!!



God's Word is not for picking and choosing whatever you

want...and chucking what you don't want(and calling it error or

myth cause you don't like what that particular Word has to

say )...

sorry bud....God's Word Doesn't work that way.



This all is just toooo sad really.

I can't help you any further.

Only God can.

This is why I feel it is best that I not reply to you anymore.

I've showed my evidence, you gloss over it with delusions of "infallibility". The Bible does not state anywhere that it is "infallible"


Revelation 22:17-19
New International Version (NIV)

17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.


That right there is a WARNING, not a promise that it'll stand forever...


Yeshua said that loving God and your neighbor is MORE important than any sacrifice yet you and others would rather the "free pass" that denies the Word of God...

Pick up your cross and love thy neighbor, stop thinking you have a free pass to heaven with all of those pagan myths and doctrines of men.

This is For All:



One CAN"T REALLY Love God...

and One CAN'T REALLY LOVE his NEIGHBOR as Himself,

UNTIL one has a NEW HEART WITHIN....a BRAND NEW NATURE

WITHIN....which COMES when one is BORN AGAIN !!!




THAT is what is MEANT by the scripture," this is better than

the sacrifice" ........


because THEN one is ABLE to LOVE LIKE GOD LOVES NOW ....

because GOD HIMSELF IS LIVING IN THAT PERSON'S HEART NOW.



A BORN AGAIN PERSON HAS A NEW NATURE WITHIN...AND THE HEART OF

GOD BEATING WITHIN HIM NOW.

IT IS ACTUALLY GOD LIVING WITHIN , WHO IS LOVING THRU THAT

PERSON WHO IS BORN AGAIN.


OLD THINGS ARE PASSED AWAY ...BEHOLD... ALL THINGS HAVE

BECOME NEW.


AMEN.

OK, think about what you just said...

You still place your man-made requirements of being "born again" yet totally ignored the fact that those words you quoted were spoken while Yeshua was ALIVE!


Stop twisting scripture to fit your description and simply take them at face value...


Again, you deny Yeshua's words to support your pagan doctrines...

Nothing mentioned doomed anyone. What are you talking about? The things mentioned above didn't doom anyone, that's what got us kicked out of the paradise.

..........


...nevermind, just nevermind...

Notice one thing about these verses, it says love with all THY, all YOUR heart, soul, ect. This is a direct command. If when one is "born again" it comes natural, there would be no need for this commandment. There would be no need for any commands, laws, rules, or anything if it just came natural after one has given there heart to God. We are accountable for our own actions, which again would become moot if it automatically happened after one has been "saved".



Deuteronomy 6:5


5And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might



Luke 10:27


27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

NIV is not a good translation. Either go back to the original and translate it yourself or use KJV.

This scripture is saying "God gave you the word of the LORD in vain and the scribes labored in vain, because you don't (won't) understand what they wrote". It's ironic that you picked this verse to quote.

This meaning is made clear in Jeremiah 8:9: "The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?" Clearly, they can't have rejected the "word of the LORD", if the Bible was full of lies. Stick with KJV and use BLB and things should clear up for you.

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If your beliefs haven't changed since the age of four, you really need to do some research with an open mind, because that is just not normal.

To a degree, yes this is true. That is why we are given the many years we have on this Earth. It is a chance to grow in the word. To learn new things and put it to practice.

If we were born automatically with the will, and all the knowledge of God, we would never have fallen from the Garden of Eden. Thus, we have been given many years to learn, pracitice, and earn our way into the paradise.

And no, not saying this comes entirely from us. God gives us the strength we need. It is still nevertheless up to the person in question to use this strength and be obedient eg., free will and why God "judges" us.

Wow, God works in mysterious ways. After I posted the above statement, I went to facebook and on facebook I have that page thing or whatever you wish to call it that daily posts different verses and things of such. lol, anyways the first thing on my page was the following verse. Notice the first thing is keeping God's commandments, THEN Jesus will manifest himself to the person.

And also on a side note, this verse especially shows the strong separation of Jesus and his father, not being the same "entity". "Will be loved by his father AND him". If they were the same "entity", there would be no need to separate the two. And before anyone takes my words out of context and adlibs, I am by no means saying they are two different Gods. For they are still ONE God.


John 14:21


21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

So, a wo/man's conscience is the measure of the divine? That cannot be the case, for if it were then we would arrive at the conclusion that Hitler's actions were the result of divinely inspired biblical beliefs. Afterall, he held a belief in God, and he had no qualms about killing what he thought were less valuable people, for what he deemed to be for the greater good of mankind on a whole. That was his conscience; that was tested out and his heart did not reject it. So, according to the criterion you've set out Hitler's actions pass your 'heart test'. That's not saying much about the quality of passing the test.

The question has nothing to do with which translation is most accurate. I'll grant whichever one you'd prefer. Rather, the question is about how anyone of us could possibly know which parts are divinely inspired and which ones are not. Surely, we're not going to place absolute confidence in the words themselves simply because they purport their own divinity?

Claiming that some verses are out and out lies requires some sort of ground which allows us to make such a judgment. IOW, there must be some other scripture(s) which we already believe to be divinely inspired that somehow contradict the one(s) in question.

So the question remains...

Let's simplify the conversation, for brevity's sake. Suppose that we have two sets of scriptures both from the Bible, we'll call them set A and set B. These scriptures negate one another, so we're obviously faced with a problem. If set A is true, then set B cannot be true, and vice versa. So, in this situation, which has already been discussed ad nauseum in this thread regarding blood sacrifice, how exactly do you know which scriptures are the divinely inspired ones and which ones are not?

I have gone back to the original, the NIV is the closest match to the original meaning:
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/jer8.pdf

How does "falsehood-of scribes" become what you said? Falsehood is pretty clear to me...

You want me to stick with the KJV? Why?
You should know by now that I do NOT support mistranslations or outright lies...





LOL, I said I've been "awake" since I was 4, I never said my beliefs haven't changed. I've spent 35 years reading and studying, I do NOT say these things lightly.

I've always "known" these things in my heart, it just took awhile for me to verify it.

Luke 18:15-17
King James Version (KJV)

15 And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.

16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.


Go ask any child who hasn't been brainwashed if they think sacrifices are righteous, or ask them if eternal torment sounds like something God would do.

As for the KJV, it has way too many errors and myths in it. While poetic and well-known, it has it's flaws.


What's not normal is that people rejoice in the death of Yeshua for their sins. Read the OT, sacrifices were only "good" for unintentional sins, so when did that change? With the KJV?


So Spider, u think you're not welcome in the Christian forum? Try being me right now... :-Þ

LOL @ Hitler! If you are going to claim that Hitler passed the "heart" test, you will have to testify that you agree with his actions. I never made the claim that all people are righteous. How much do you really know about Hitler? Do you claim to know his conscience too? How do you know he wasn't just a power-hungry murderer? He may very well have known that what he was doing was wrong yet lusted for power so much that he disregarded his conscience. He burned churches and used the religion falsely, yet you and other Atheists act like he was Godly because he made the claim that he was Christian?





Well since you don't believe in God, there will be no divinely inspired scriptures according to you.

But for an example, take the verse that predicts that myths will be secretly introduced... In the very same chapter, there is mention of Hades (a Greek myth). So you take the verse that predicts that and it is verified when you find the myth, simple, no?

The Bible only makes the claim that scriptures are inspired by God, not written by or dictated by God. I for one, do not support the "infallible" theory as it would clash with my religion. :)
The Bible tells us to search for the truth, to not believe every word and to prove all things. When u take it as a whole, the pieces fit. Even the corrupt parts.





Simple... Do you think that killing an animal or a human to "atone" for your sins is divine?

in reference to the scripture Cowboy quoted:




NOTICE The Word HATH .

NOTICE ....It did not say OBEY, it said HATH!!!


Meaning :

WHEN one HATH the commandments (which God writes on the tablet

of ones heart WHEN one becomes BORN AGAIN),that one WILL NOW ALSO

KEEP (OBEY ) the Commandments Now.

( ALL the law and the prophets HANG now on these 2 Commandments

that Jesus spoke of...which are.... to Love God with all your

heart and mind and soul...and to Love your neighbor as yourself).





A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER HATH THOSE COMMANDMENTS WITHIN HIM

NOW ....CAUSE GOD WROTE THEM ON THE TABLET OF HIS HEART WHEN HE

BELIEVED AND ASKED JESUS IN !!!





ONLY THRU THE NEW NATURE WITHIN ,IS HOW ONE HATH THE

COMMMANDMENTS...AND IS ABLE TO THEREFORE TRULY OBEY AND KEEP

THE COMMANDMENTS WITH A WILLING HEART NOW !!!


BECAUSE GOD IN THAT BORN AGAIN BELIEVER ,IS THE ONE WHO IS ACTUALLY

HELPING AND ENABLING HIM TO OBEY NOW !!!!


GOD GAVE THAT BORN AGAIN BELIEVER A HEART LIKE GOD'S HEART

NOW....A HEART THAT WANTS TO OBEY AND PLEASE GOD NOW !!!!


BUT ONE HAS TO FIRST HAVE THE COMMANDMENTS WITTHIN...WRITTEN ON

ONE'S HEART FIRST ...IN ORDER TO BE TRULY ABLE TO OBEY!!!!




AND THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN WHEN ONE IS BORN AGAIN!!!

To TRY and Obey God WITHOUT first BECOMING BORN AGAIN,

is just DEAD RELIGIOUS WORKS TO GOD !!!!!

NOTHING MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!


CAUSE THAT PERSON DOES NOT HAVE THE COMMANDMENTS YET WRITTEN

ON THE TABLET OF HIS HEART !!!!


HE IS ONLY TRYING TO OBEY GOD AND DO WORKS TO PLEASE GOD , STILL

ONLY FROM THE OUTSIDE WITH HIS OLD NATURE......AND NOT FROM THE

INSIDE, WHICH COMES THRU HAVING A NEW NATURE WITHIN!!!!

AMEN?!!!



BUT......WHEN ONE IS BORN AGAIN ,THAT PERSON NOW HAS A HEART

LIKE GOD NOW.........BECAUSE GOD HIMSELF IS ACTUALLY LIVING

IN AND LOVING THRU THAT PERSON NOW !!!!



THIS IS WHY NONE OF US WHO ARE BORN AGAIN CAN EVER EVER

EVER BOAST !!!!!!!!


BECAUSE IT IS NOT US.....BUT GOD IN US WHO IS LOVING THRU US AND

IN US NOW, WHO IS MAKING ALLL THE DIFFERENCE IN US NOW!!!!


TO GOD ALONE BE ALLLLLL THE GLORY !!!!!!!



GOD ALONE IS THE ONE WHO CHANGES US INSIDE...NOT NOT NOT US.....GOD

ALONE IS THE ONE LOVING THRU US AND HELPING US TO LOVE LIKE

HIM...NOT US !!!



GOD HIMSELF(THRU GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT ) STEPPED INSIDE AND GAVE

US A BRAND NEW NATURE...A BRAND NEW HEART...A HEART CAPALBE

OF LOVING LIKE GOD NOW.


HE ALONE PERFECTS THAT GOOD WORK THAT HE HAS BEGUN IN US!!!

WE JUST YIELD AND OBEY WITH GLAD HEARTS NOW....BECAUSE OF THE

LOVE OF GOD IN US NOW.


WHAT AN AWESOME GOD !!!


AMEN AND AMEN AND AMEN!!!!