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...Man... Still being illiterate I see? Meh, whatever. If you actually read his response.. ..he did answer your questions, then asked his own. If anyone is "deflecting".. it's not Creative. ..just saying. Wow, just WOW! I asked a forthright question and he answered by asking a question that I had already answered... Get off your knees, your IQ is showing... ..blind too, eh? xD I must be 'cause all I see are irrelevant questions designed to deflect instead of giving direct answers... Of course I don't expect you to answer those direct questions either. "Simple... Do you think that killing an animal or a human to "atone" for your sins is divine?" "If you are going to claim that Hitler passed the "heart" test, you will have to testify that you agree with his actions." Care to answer either of those? **Same prediction applies for Sin_and_Sorrow** plus added ad-hom |
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...Man... Still being illiterate I see? Meh, whatever. If you actually read his response.. ..he did answer your questions, then asked his own. If anyone is "deflecting".. it's not Creative. ..just saying. Wow, just WOW! I asked a forthright question and he answered by asking a question that I had already answered... Get off your knees, your IQ is showing... ..blind too, eh? xD I must be 'cause all I see are irrelevant questions designed to deflect instead of giving direct answers... Of course I don't expect you to answer those direct questions either. "Simple... Do you think that killing an animal or a human to "atone" for your sins is divine?" "If you are going to claim that Hitler passed the "heart" test, you will have to testify that you agree with his actions." Care to answer either of those? **Same prediction applies for Sin_and_Sorrow** plus added ad-hom Yes, I do. Simple enough? |
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...Man... Still being illiterate I see? Meh, whatever. If you actually read his response.. ..he did answer your questions, then asked his own. If anyone is "deflecting".. it's not Creative. ..just saying. Wow, just WOW! I asked a forthright question and he answered by asking a question that I had already answered... Get off your knees, your IQ is showing... ..blind too, eh? xD I must be 'cause all I see are irrelevant questions designed to deflect instead of giving direct answers... Of course I don't expect you to answer those direct questions either. "Simple... Do you think that killing an animal or a human to "atone" for your sins is divine?" "If you are going to claim that Hitler passed the "heart" test, you will have to testify that you agree with his actions." Care to answer either of those? **Same prediction applies for Sin_and_Sorrow** plus added ad-hom Yes, I do. Simple enough? Wow, I didn't expect u to answer. Simple enough... That's why we could never be friends... |
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Yes, I do. Simple enough? Wow, I didn't expect u to answer. Simple enough... That's why we could never be friends... LOL ..sorry struck me as humorous that, that would be why you'd think that. I figured it best to keep the answer short. I mean really, why over complicate things with an explanation? xD |
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Peter_Pan69
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Yes, I do. Simple enough? Wow, I didn't expect u to answer. Simple enough... That's why we could never be friends... LOL ..sorry struck me as humorous that, that would be why you'd think that. I figured it best to keep the answer short. I mean really, why over complicate things with an explanation? xD You wanna hear an explanation, here it is (for the atonement question)... You and others feel that it is divine to kill something (even a human) to make up for wrongs that you have done. I bet you would cry "unfair" if you were the sacrifice. It shows a lack of morals and a disrespect for life. That's like saying "Sorry I got caught stealing, instead of me making amends, howsabout you kill something (or someone) to make up for it instead." It's a cop-out. One that applies when people are afraid to man up to their own actions. A pus*y's way out... |
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MorningSong
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Sin_and_Sorrow...JESUS was FULLY man AS WELL as FULLY GOD.
(Jesus was NOT just a mere human being ) !!!! NO MERE human could EVER pay for our sins. EVER !!!! PLUS...GOD WAS TOTALLY AGAINST HUMAN SACRIFICES !!!!!! POINT BEING..... ONLY INFINITE GOD could pay the price for INFINITE sin !!!! Again.... THAT IS WHY IT WAS GOD HIMSELF ( THRU GOD THE SON), ON THAT CROSS FOR US. GOD STEPPED DOWN (THRU GOD THE SON) AND PAID FOR OUR SINS IN FULL AT CALVARY. THERE IS NO GREATER LOVE SHOWN THAN WHAT JESUS DID FOR US !! AGAIN.... JESUS WAS FULLY MAN AS WELL AS FULLY GOD !!! GOD HAS TO BECOME MAN TO PAY THE PRICE...BUT AGAIN ,THAT WAS NOT NOT NOT JUST SOME MERE MAN ON THAT CROSS....THAT WAS GOD HIMSELF (GOD THE SON) ON THAT CROSS !!! GOTTA RUN....BE BLESSED NOW !!!   |
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You wanna hear an explanation, here it is (for the atonement question)... You and others feel that it is divine to kill something (even a human) to make up for wrongs that you have done. I bet you would cry "unfair" if you were the sacrifice. It shows a lack of morals and a disrespect for life. That's like saying "Sorry I got caught stealing, instead of me making amends, howsabout you kill something (or someone) to make up for it instead." It's a cop-out. One that applies when people are afraid to man up to their own actions. A pus*y's way out... Wait, back up. 1. I meant an explanation as to my answer, t'was what I meant. 2. I only agreed, or in this case, stated "Yes, I feel it is 'divine'." Not that I actually agreed with the concept, only that I feel it is divine. Unless I'm mistaken, divine means to be "of, from God, or God-like". Thus, perhaps I misunderstood the question. In other words, I only believe the origin (idea) of sacrifice itself is divine, or via, "created by the idea" of God and a way to "please" him. I feel this way, ultimately, because I've not met a religion to date that, in some way or fashion, didn't at one point "demand" such. Christianity, the Egyptians, etc. Some form of sacrifice, animal or otherwise, plays/has a similar presence in every religion. In Christianity, imo, Jesus was actually meant to be the "final" sacrifice. So that this "older" tradition was no longer void and/or valued and/or even acceptable. So this part of your response: It's a cop-out. One that applies when people are afraid to man up to their own actions. A pus*y's way out... I 150% agree with. So, my mistake, I think? Cause although I believe it to be "divine" in that manner I mentioned, I do NOT however, agree nor would partake in it. |
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Sin_and_Sorrow...JESUS was FULLY man AS WELL as FULLY GOD. (Jesus was NOT just a mere human being ) !!!! ONLY INFINITE GOD could pay the price for INFINITE sin !!!! NO MERE human could EVER pay for our sins. EVER!!!! Again.... THAT IS WHY IT WAS GOD HIMSELF ( THRU GOD THE SON), ON THAT CROSS FOR US. GOD STEPPED DOWN (THRU GOD THE SON) AND PAID FOR OUR SINS IN FULL AT CALVARY. THERE IS NO GREATER LOVE !! JESUS.......FULLY MAN AS WELL AS FULLY GOD !!! GOD HAS TO BECOME MAN TO PAY THE PRICE...BUT AGAIN ,THAT WAS NOT NOT NOT JUST SOME MERE MAN ON THAT CROSS....THAT WAS GOD HIMSELF (GOD THE SON) ON THAT CROSS !!! GOTTA RUN....BE BLESSED NOW !!! Noone can pay a ransom for anyone's soul. This is stated in the Bible. To accept the sacrifice is to deny God's Word... It was said that loving God and your neighbor was more important than any sacrifice. It sickens me that people would rather someone else die for their sins than to REPENT themselves. Human (or Deity) sacrifice is PAGAN, washing in blood is PAGAN, Hades is PAGAN, X-mas is PAGAN, Easter is PAGAN. The Bible predicted these things, yet again, you would deny God's Word to uphold your human traditions... |
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You wanna hear an explanation, here it is (for the atonement question)... You and others feel that it is divine to kill something (even a human) to make up for wrongs that you have done. I bet you would cry "unfair" if you were the sacrifice. It shows a lack of morals and a disrespect for life. That's like saying "Sorry I got caught stealing, instead of me making amends, howsabout you kill something (or someone) to make up for it instead." It's a cop-out. One that applies when people are afraid to man up to their own actions. A pus*y's way out... Wait, back up. 1. I meant an explanation as to my answer, t'was what I meant. 2. I only agreed, or in this case, stated "Yes, I feel it is 'divine'." Not that I actually agreed with the concept, only that I feel it is divine. Unless I'm mistaken, divine means to be "of, from God, or God-like". Thus, perhaps I misunderstood the question. In other words, I only believe the origin (idea) of sacrifice itself is divine, or via, "created by the idea" of God and a way to "please" him. I feel this way, ultimately, because I've not met a religion to date that, in some way or fashion, didn't at one point "demand" such. Christianity, the Egyptians, etc. Some form of sacrifice, animal or otherwise, plays/has a similar presence in every religion. In Christianity, imo, Jesus was actually meant to be the "final" sacrifice. So that this "older" tradition was no longer void and/or valued and/or even acceptable. So this part of your response: It's a cop-out. One that applies when people are afraid to man up to their own actions. A pus*y's way out... I 150% agree with. So, my mistake, I think? Cause although I believe it to be "divine" in that manner I mentioned, I do NOT however, agree nor would partake in it. LOL, sorry, I knew I should have re-asked and got a clarified answer. So the simple answer from you would be "no, it's NOT divine" then? Disregarding everything you've been taught, you think it's sick and demented yourself, right? |
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Sin_and_Sorrow...JESUS was FULLY man AS WELL as FULLY GOD. (Jesus was NOT just a mere human being ) !!!! NO MERE human could EVER pay for our sins. PLUS...GOD WAS AGAINST HUMAN SACRIFICES !!!!!! ONLY INFINITE GOD could pay the price for INFINITE sin !!!! EVER!!!! Again.... THAT IS WHY IT WAS GOD HIMSELF ( THRU GOD THE SON), ON THAT CROSS FOR US. GOD STEPPED DOWN (THRU GOD THE SON) AND PAID FOR OUR SINS IN FULL AT CALVARY. THERE IS NO GREATER LOVE !! JESUS.......FULLY MAN AS WELL AS FULLY GOD !!! GOD HAS TO BECOME MAN TO PAY THE PRICE...BUT AGAIN ,THAT WAS NOT NOT NOT JUST SOME MERE MAN ON THAT CROSS....THAT WAS GOD HIMSELF (GOD THE SON) ON THAT CROSS !!! GOTTA RUN....BE BLESSED NOW !!! ..wait, when did I say Jesus was just a mere man? o.O As I'm sure, like a prediction of sorts, you will say: "That is not the right context." I will denote the following: Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of." Exodus 22:29 "Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me." Numbers 31:25-29 "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation: And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation: And levy a tribute unto the Lord of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the *****, and of the sheep: Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD." 1 Kings 13:2 "And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee". 2 Kings 23:20 "And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars, and burned men's bones upon them." 2 Chronicles 34:1-5 "Josiah ... did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord ... And he burnt the bones of the priests upon their altars." |
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LOL, sorry, I knew I should have re-asked and got a clarified answer. So the simple answer from you would be "no, it's NOT divine" then? Disregarding everything you've been taught, you think it's sick and demented yourself, right? Then yes, I agree. The "divine" word is throwing me off. xD The act - yes, demented. But I do believe the origin itself - is "from God". |
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LOL, sorry, I knew I should have re-asked and got a clarified answer. So the simple answer from you would be "no, it's NOT divine" then? Disregarding everything you've been taught, you think it's sick and demented yourself, right? Then yes, I agree. The "divine" word is throwing me off. xD The act - yes, demented. But I do believe the origin itself - is "from God". So you think a merciful, forgiving, ever-loving God would want this? Even after I know that you are quite aware of the condemning of Israel's sacrifices? I know you know the verses, you've quoted some... Howsabout this: Isaiah 55:7-9 King James Version (KJV) 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. And this one to show "corruption": Ezekiel 22:27-29 King James Version (KJV) 27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain. 28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken. 29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully. OK, I think you're starting to "get it"... If you don't agree with sacrifice, then you shouldn't think God does either... Because he doesn't... |
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Psalm 49:7 (NIV) NO MAN can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for him-- New Living Translation (©2007) Yet they cannot redeem themselves from death by paying a ransom to God. English Standard Version (©2001) Truly no man can ransom another, or give to God the price of his life, New American Standard Bible (©1995) No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him-- King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) A brother does not save, and a man does not give God his redemption. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) No one can ever buy back another person or pay God a ransom for his life. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: American King James Version None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: American Standard Version None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him; Douay-Rheims Bible No brother can redeem, nor shall man redeem: he shall not give to God his ransom, Darby Bible Translation None can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him, English Revised Version None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: ................................................................... THAT IS WHY IT WAS NOT JUST SOME MERE MORTAL MAN ON THAT CROSS FOR US.....BUT THAT WAS GOD HIMSELF ON THAT CROSSS FOR US !!!!!!! AND NO.... NOT JUST SOME MERE DEMI-GOD EITHER !!!!!! BUT GOD !!!!!! GOD HIMSELF !!!!!! THRU GOD THE SON !!!!!!!! ..................................................................
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 03/13/12 04:58 AM
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God did NOT allow Abrahmam to sacrifuce His son..
God stopped him!!! God has NO intention of Abraham sacrificing His son...it was obedience God was looking for...and in fact, God already KNEW BEFOREHAND, that He could find that in Abraham. Obedience is better rhan sacrifice !!! An OBEDIENT heart can only come by FAITH AND TRUST IN GOD, NOT thru man's vain efforts !! NO one is able to be obedient ,until one is born again!!! Cause...once more....man is incaplable of obeying on His own strength!!! |
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Psalm 49:7 (NIV) NO MAN can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for him-- New Living Translation (©2007) Yet they cannot redeem themselves from death by paying a ransom to God. English Standard Version (©2001) Truly no man can ransom another, or give to God the price of his life, New American Standard Bible (©1995) No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him-- King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) A brother does not save, and a man does not give God his redemption. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) No one can ever buy back another person or pay God a ransom for his life. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: American King James Version None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: American Standard Version None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him; Douay-Rheims Bible No brother can redeem, nor shall man redeem: he shall not give to God his ransom, Darby Bible Translation None can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him, English Revised Version None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: ................................................................... THAT IS WHY IT WAS NOT JUST SOME MERE MORTAL MAN ON THAT CROSS FOR US.....BUT THAT WAS GOD HIMSELF ON THAT CROSSS FOR US !!!!!!! AND NO.... NOT JUST SOME MERE DEMI-GOD EITHER !!!!!! BUT GOD !!!!!! GOD HIMSELF !!!!!! THRU GOD THE SON !!!!!!!! .................................................................. If God was also fully man, then you again are denying scriptures to promote your pagan doctrines... |
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God did NOT allow Abrahmam to sacrifuce His son.. God stopped him!!! God has NO intention of Abraham sacrificing His son...it was obedience God was looking for...and in fact, God already KNEW BEFOREHAND, that He could find that in Abraham. Obedience is better rhan sacrifice !!! And OBEDIENT heart can only come by FAITH AND TRUST IN GOD, NOT thru man's vain efforts !! God would NEVER ask any person to go against His Word. It was a story, plain and simple, to illustrate the depths of Abraham's faith... |
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MorningSong
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Tue 03/13/12 05:35 AM
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God has to come and dwell among us as man......IF
God had come in all His Power and Glory, He woud have destroyed the world to smitherins with All His Power and Glory. Also.....God would have been an INTRUDER. When adam and eve sinned,and sold out to satan thru their disobedience to God, it allowed the enemy the right to become the god of this world now. God had to become God INCARNATE....to have a body to come to this world in!!!!! Therefore,God woud not be considered an Intruder that way !!! Jesus was GOD INCARNATE ......Emanuel....GOD WITH US....fully God and fully man !!!! Peter_Pan...it is very obvious that you have been exposed to some kind of strange demonc teaching that ATTACKS SCRIPTURES IN THE BIBLE !!!!!! And btw, it is NOT NOT NOT messianic (as you stated in christian singles) ....NOR has it anything to do with judiasm either in any form of fashion...nor the bible.....nor christianity ....this is just weird wacky crap you spout on here, that you most likely picked up from some website that ATTACKS the bible. Nothing more.  And..it is the ENEMY behind this vicious ATTACK of the Bilbe !!!! This crap comes from the pits of hell...and is no different than the " serpent seed" crap, which is also circulating around out there lately!!!! I know the messianic jewish people....and write music using the Name of Yeshua myself...and what you post on here is not messianic in the least !!!! Praying God will set you free from this confusion and demonic deception crap you have gotten yourself into !!! Take care now. |
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God has to come and dwell among us as man......IF God had come in all His Power and Glory, He woud have destroyed the world to smitherins with All His Power and Glory. Also.....God would have been an INTRUDER. When adam and eve sinned,and sold out to satan thru their disobedience to God, it allowed the enemy the right to become the god of this world now. God had to become God INCARNATE....to have a body to come to this world in!!!!! Therefore,God woud not be considered an Intruder that way !!! Jesus was GOD INCARNATE ......Emanuel....GOD WITH US....fully God and fully man !!!! Peter_Pan...it is very obvious that you have been exposed to some kind of strange teaching....and btw, it is NOT messianic (as you stated in christian singles) ....NOR has it anything to do with judiasm either in any form of fashion...nor the bible.....nor christianity ....this is just weird wacky crap you spout on here, that you most likely picked up from some website that attacks the bible. Nothing more. I know the messianic jewish people....and write music using the Name of Yeshua myself...and what you post on here is not messianic in the least !!!! Praying God will set you free from this confusion you are into. Take care now. MorningSong, if you do not stop attacking my character with your lame opinions, I will start to tell you my opinions about your "indwelling" being of demonic origin. If you call evil good and good evil, you are deceived. You show a lack of mercy and good judgement with every one of your condecending retorts. You are to gaurd your mind, not open it up to possesion. And as for your theory of Adam and Eve's "sin" of disobedience, I suggest you search the scriptures. One who does not know good from evil is held blameless in the eyes of God. Their sin wasn't disobedience as an innocent person is not capable of sinning. Their "sin" was playing the blame game. Eve blamed the serpent, Adam blamed Eve. Neither had the willingness to acknowledge what they did and repent. They hid and blamed... I will continue to refute every one of your pagan doctrines as long as you keep trying to "correct" good people who are trying to learn the Word of God. Thank you, have a nice day... |
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And This is exactly why one needs the Holy
Spirit....so one may be able to tell the difference between what is of God and what is not of God. Sadly, the world is full of wacky crap today....and it will only get worse. All one can do is pray. |
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God has to come and dwell among us as man......IF God had come in all His Power and Glory, He woud have destroyed the world to smitherins with All His Power and Glory. Also.....God would have been an INTRUDER. When adam and eve sinned,and sold out to satan thru their disobedience to God, it allowed the enemy the right to become the god of this world now. God had to become God INCARNATE....to have a body to come to this world in!!!!! Therefore,God woud not be considered an Intruder that way !!! Jesus was GOD INCARNATE ......Emanuel....GOD WITH US....fully God and fully man !!!! Peter_Pan...it is very obvious that you have been exposed to some kind of strange demonc teaching that ATTACKS SCRIPTURES IN THE BIBLE !!!!!! And btw, it is NOT NOT NOT messianic (as you stated in christian singles) ....NOR has it anything to do with judiasm either in any form of fashion...nor the bible.....nor christianity ....this is just weird wacky crap you spout on here, that you most likely picked up from some website that ATTACKS the bible. Nothing more. And..it is the ENEMY behind this vicious ATTACK of the Bilbe !!!! This crap comes from the pits of hell...and is no different than the " serpent seed" crap, which is also circulating around out there lately!!!! I know the messianic jewish people....and write music using the Name of Yeshua myself...and what you post on here is not messianic in the least !!!! Praying God will set you free from this confusion and demonic deception crap you have gotten yourself into !!! Take care now. God has to come and dwell among us as man God doesn't have to do anything. Also.....God would have been an INTRUDER. When adam and eve sinned,and sold out to satan thru their disobedience to God, it allowed the enemy the right to become the god of this world now. God is and would be no "intruder". God did come to this world, they hung him on a tree. And you have yet to show where Satan is "god" of this world. You've posted a couple verses on it, but not one of them directly says Satan to be god of this world, only you're adlibing. |
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