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God has to come and dwell among us as man......IF God had come in all His Power and Glory, He woud have destroyed the world to smitherins with All His Power and Glory. Also.....God would have been an INTRUDER. When adam and eve sinned,and sold out to satan thru their disobedience to God, it allowed the enemy the right to become the god of this world now. God had to become God INCARNATE....to have a body to come to this world in!!!!! Therefore,God woud not be considered an Intruder that way !!! Jesus was GOD INCARNATE ......Emanuel....GOD WITH US....fully God and fully man !!!! Peter_Pan...it is very obvious that you have been exposed to some kind of strange teaching....and btw, it is NOT messianic (as you stated in christian singles) ....NOR has it anything to do with judiasm either in any form of fashion...nor the bible.....nor christianity ....this is just weird wacky crap you spout on here, that you most likely picked up from some website that attacks the bible. Nothing more.  I know the messianic jewish people....and write music using the Name of Yeshua myself...and what you post on here is not messianic in the least !!!! Praying God will set you free from this confusion you are into. Take care now.  MorningSong, if you do not stop attacking my character with your lame opinions, I will start to tell you my opinions about your "indwelling" being of demonic origin. If you call evil good and good evil, you are deceived. You show a lack of mercy and good judgement with every one of your condecending retorts. You are to gaurd your mind, not open it up to possesion. And as for your theory of Adam and Eve's "sin" of disobedience, I suggest you search the scriptures. One who does not know good from evil is held blameless in the eyes of God. Their sin wasn't disobedience as an innocent person is not capable of sinning. Their "sin" was playing the blame game. Eve blamed the serpent, Adam blamed Eve. Neither had the willingness to acknowledge what they did and repent. They hid and blamed... I will continue to refute every one of your pagan doctrines as long as you keep trying to "correct" good people who are trying to learn the Word of God. Thank you, have a nice day... Their sin wasn't disobedience as an innocent person is not capable of sinning. Their "sin" was playing the blame game. Eve blamed the serpent, Adam blamed Eve. Neither had the willingness to acknowledge what they did and repent. They hid and blamed... Exactly. Adam and Eve may have been full grown, but they were still like little kids. A sin is willingly being disobedient to the father, Adam and Eve wasn't doing that persay. They had no clue what they were doing moreorless. |
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God has to come and dwell among us as man......IF God had come in all His Power and Glory, He woud have destroyed the world to smitherins with All His Power and Glory. Also.....God would have been an INTRUDER. When adam and eve sinned,and sold out to satan thru their disobedience to God, it allowed the enemy the right to become the god of this world now. God had to become God INCARNATE....to have a body to come to this world in!!!!! Therefore,God woud not be considered an Intruder that way !!! Jesus was GOD INCARNATE ......Emanuel....GOD WITH US....fully God and fully man !!!! Peter_Pan...it is very obvious that you have been exposed to some kind of strange teaching....and btw, it is NOT messianic (as you stated in christian singles) ....NOR has it anything to do with judiasm either in any form of fashion...nor the bible.....nor christianity ....this is just weird wacky crap you spout on here, that you most likely picked up from some website that attacks the bible. Nothing more. I know the messianic jewish people....and write music using the Name of Yeshua myself...and what you post on here is not messianic in the least !!!! Praying God will set you free from this confusion you are into. Take care now. MorningSong, if you do not stop attacking my character with your lame opinions, I will start to tell you my opinions about your "indwelling" being of demonic origin. If you call evil good and good evil, you are deceived. You show a lack of mercy and good judgement with every one of your condecending retorts. You are to gaurd your mind, not open it up to possesion. And as for your theory of Adam and Eve's "sin" of disobedience, I suggest you search the scriptures. One who does not know good from evil is held blameless in the eyes of God. Their sin wasn't disobedience as an innocent person is not capable of sinning. Their "sin" was playing the blame game. Eve blamed the serpent, Adam blamed Eve. Neither had the willingness to acknowledge what they did and repent. They hid and blamed... I will continue to refute every one of your pagan doctrines as long as you keep trying to "correct" good people who are trying to learn the Word of God. Thank you, have a nice day... Their sin wasn't disobedience as an innocent person is not capable of sinning. Their "sin" was playing the blame game. Eve blamed the serpent, Adam blamed Eve. Neither had the willingness to acknowledge what they did and repent. They hid and blamed... Exactly. Adam and Eve may have been full grown, but they were still like little kids. A sin is willingly being disobedient to the father, Adam and Eve wasn't doing that persay. They had no clue what they were doing moreorless. But God did warn them, so it wouldn't be righteous if God didn't carry through with what he said would be the consequence of this action they partook in. Genesis 2:17 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die |
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MorningSong
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Tue 03/13/12 06:29 AM
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You do the study.
Find out for yourself. Not my job. Most christians are aware that satan is the god of this world system. Many scriptures I already shared with you....go back and re-read. Who do you think tried to tempt Jssus, when He said,"Get thee behind me satan " ..... Study the Word, Cowboy. Especially since you don't even know about adam and eve's sin of disobedience. I have much work ahead of me...have to run. Take care. |
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You do the study. Find out for yourself. Not my job. Most christians are aware that satan is the god of this world system. Many scriptures I already shared with you....go back and re-read. Who do you think tried to tempt Jssus, when He said,"Get thee behind me satan " ..... Study the Word, Cowboy. Yeah, Satan tried to tempt Jesus. That doesn't make him God in any way though. |
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You do the study. Find out for yourself. Not my job. Most christians are aware that satan is the god of this world system. Many scriptures I already shared with you....go back and re-read. Who do you think tried to tempt Jssus, when He said,"Get thee behind me satan " ..... Study the Word, Cowboy. Most christians are aware that satan is the god of this world system. And no they don't. You're the only person in my life ever to have ever said this and or believe this. Heck once you mentioned this a while ago, it intrigued me with such a statement. I have read, done internet searches, asked many people in person and online. And still found nothing of Satan being god of this world. Again our Father gave us dominion over everything on this Earth, making us the gods of this world. And reassuring this in saying "know ye not that ye are gods.... I have said ye are gods.... ect". |
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You do the study. Find out for yourself. Not my job. Most christians are aware that satan is the god of this world system. Many scriptures I already shared with you....go back and re-read. Who do you think tried to tempt Jssus, when He said,"Get thee behind me satan " ..... Study the Word, Cowboy. Most christians are aware that satan is the god of this world system. And no they don't. You're the only person in my life ever to have ever said this and or believe this. Heck once you mentioned this a while ago, it intrigued me with such a statement. I have read, done internet searches, asked many people in person and online. And still found nothing of Satan being god of this world. Again our Father gave us dominion over everything on this Earth, making us the gods of this world. And reassuring this in saying "know ye not that ye are gods.... I have said ye are gods.... ect". Yeshua and the Apostles both had power over her "god of this world system" and other unclean spirits. We all have power over them too, that's why I have no fear... :) |
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MorningSong
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Tue 03/13/12 06:34 AM
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You do the study. Find out for yourself. Not my job. Most christians are aware that satan is the god of this world system. Many scriptures I already shared with you....go back and re-read. Who do you think tried to tempt Jssus, when He said,"Get thee behind me satan " ..... Study the Word, Cowboy. Yeah, Satan tried to tempt Jesus. That doesn't make him God in any way though. I said god of this world system...not God.  Obviously you have no intentions of studying. Gotta go. Much work ahead.... Take care now. |
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You do the study. Find out for yourself. Not my job. Most christians are aware that satan is the god of this world system. Many scriptures I already shared with you....go back and re-read. Who do you think tried to tempt Jssus, when He said,"Get thee behind me satan " ..... Study the Word, Cowboy. Yeah, Satan tried to tempt Jesus. That doesn't make him God in any way though. I said god of this world system...not God. Obviously you have no intentions of studying. Gotta go. Got others things to do now. Jesus is the God of this world. He is the one that has the final say about this world not Satan. The only power Satan has on this Earth is to tempt us... nothing more. Satan has no power over you less you give him the power. |
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Jesus is the God of this world. He is the one that has the final say about this world not Satan. The only power Satan has on this Earth is to tempt us... nothing more. Satan has no power over you less you give him the power. Exactly. Unless you open your mind to manipulation, nothing can touch you. |
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THIS IS A So you think a merciful, forgiving, ever-loving God would want this? THIS IS B OK, I think you're starting to "get it"... If you don't agree with sacrifice, then you shouldn't think God does either... Because he doesn't... If I agreed with A, then B makes sense and as well is expected. However... This is where our opinions different/vary. Simply because I don't believe A. Which, ultimately, makes not only B an idea, but a possibility. |
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THIS IS A So you think a merciful, forgiving, ever-loving God would want this? THIS IS B OK, I think you're starting to "get it"... If you don't agree with sacrifice, then you shouldn't think God does either... Because he doesn't... If I agreed with A, then B makes sense and as well is expected. However... This is where our opinions different/vary. Simply because I don't believe A. Which, ultimately, makes not only B an idea, but a possibility. What are you saying exactly? I don't think God would want sacrifices. |
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You do realize..
That this: Exactly. Adam and Eve may have been full grown, but they were still like little kids. A sin is willingly being disobedient to the father, Adam and Eve wasn't doing that persay. They had no clue what they were doing more or less. Combined with this: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die ..points to two things I have an issue with. 1. How can you be "tempted" or know that if you disobey your elder/parent (or in this case "God") you said act is actually evil/bad? How is banishment a "fair" or "just" punishment? 2. Also on that note; "in the day", by that wording, is/was a blatant lie and he was discovered as such the minute they didn't "die" whence they ate the "fruit". Hmmmmmmm....... So, it's almost unfair to blame the Serpent, and even more so unjust to blame Ever, then Adam... ..who's left to blame? o.O |
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You do realize.. That this: Exactly. Adam and Eve may have been full grown, but they were still like little kids. A sin is willingly being disobedient to the father, Adam and Eve wasn't doing that persay. They had no clue what they were doing more or less. Combined with this: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die ..points to two things I have an issue with. 1. How can you be "tempted" or know that if you disobey your elder/parent (or in this case "God") you said act is actually evil/bad? How is banishment a "fair" or "just" punishment? 2. Also on that note; "in the day", by that wording, is/was a blatant lie and he was discovered as such the minute they didn't "die" whence they ate the "fruit". Hmmmmmmm....... So, it's almost unfair to blame the Serpent, and even more so unjust to blame Ever, then Adam... ..who's left to blame? o.O 1. How can you be "tempted" or know that if you disobey your elder/parent (or in this case "God") you said act is actually evil/bad? How is banishment a "fair" or "just" punishment? 2. Also on that note; "in the day", by that wording, is/was a blatant lie and he was discovered as such the minute they didn't "die" whence they ate the "fruit". 1. It is fair because God said it would happen. Regardless of if they knew specifically what "disobedience" was. They were punished for doing exactly what God told them not to do, not specifically "disobedience". God said not to eat of the tree, the why they weren't suppose to is irrelevant or even the punishment to come really. The bottom line is God told them not to and they did. 2. They may not have died that exact day, but from that day they brought death into the world. In the world today, as soon as you are born, you are dying so to speak. Each breath you take when you are first born is a breath closer to death. Before they ate of the tree, they had eternal life. |
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You do realize.. That this: Exactly. Adam and Eve may have been full grown, but they were still like little kids. A sin is willingly being disobedient to the father, Adam and Eve wasn't doing that persay. They had no clue what they were doing more or less. Combined with this: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die ..points to two things I have an issue with. 1. How can you be "tempted" or know that if you disobey your elder/parent (or in this case "God") you said act is actually evil/bad? How is banishment a "fair" or "just" punishment? 2. Also on that note; "in the day", by that wording, is/was a blatant lie and he was discovered as such the minute they didn't "die" whence they ate the "fruit". Hmmmmmmm....... So, it's almost unfair to blame the Serpent, and even more so unjust to blame Ever, then Adam... ..who's left to blame? o.O 1. They didn't know good from evil, so they acted in innocence. The "punishment" in my eyes, was protection from eating of the tree of life which would grant them immortality in their "separated state". They were naked and not ashamed until they ate. After they ate, they were ashamed of themselves. That would be horrible to spend eternity being ashamed of what is natural. The other "punishments" were simply knowledge of what was already deemed "good" by God. Our knowedge of good and evil also brought pleasure/pain, happiness/sorrow, work/leisure, etc. 2. Hmmmm what is a "day" to God? A day is but 1000 years, in other words, God stands outside of our time constraints. So if God spoke those words, they are not a lie... |
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You do realize.. That this: Exactly. Adam and Eve may have been full grown, but they were still like little kids. A sin is willingly being disobedient to the father, Adam and Eve wasn't doing that persay. They had no clue what they were doing more or less. Combined with this: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die ..points to two things I have an issue with. 1. How can you be "tempted" or know that if you disobey your elder/parent (or in this case "God") you said act is actually evil/bad? How is banishment a "fair" or "just" punishment? 2. Also on that note; "in the day", by that wording, is/was a blatant lie and he was discovered as such the minute they didn't "die" whence they ate the "fruit". Hmmmmmmm....... So, it's almost unfair to blame the Serpent, and even more so unjust to blame Ever, then Adam... ..who's left to blame? o.O 1. They didn't know good from evil, so they acted in innocence. The "punishment" in my eyes, was protection from eating of the tree of life which would grant them immortality in their "separated state". They were naked and not ashamed until they ate. After they ate, they were ashamed of themselves. That would be horrible to spend eternity being ashamed of what is natural. The other "punishments" were simply knowledge of what was already deemed "good" by God. Our knowedge of good and evil also brought pleasure/pain, happiness/sorrow, work/leisure, etc. 2. Hmmmm what is a "day" to God? A day is but 1000 years, in other words, God stands outside of our time constraints. So if God spoke those words, they are not a lie... 2. Hmmmm what is a "day" to God? A day is but 1000 years, in other words, God stands outside of our time constraints. So if God spoke those words, they are not a lie... That and who's to say in that time a day was 24 hours? In the flood itself the world took a major change in everything upon it, so who's to say in this day and age in question a day was 24 hours long? |
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That and who's to say in that time a day was 24 hours? In the flood itself the world took a major change in everything upon it, so who's to say in this day and age in question a day was 24 hours long? Scientific theory states that the speed of an object is related to the elapse of time. Current observations state that the universe is expanding and accelerating at nearly the speed of light. So, if true, the days of this age are "longer" than they would have been back then... |
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here..... different versions all tell us of the god of this world system. New International Version The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. New Living Translation (©2007) Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. English Standard Version (©2001) In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. New American Standard Bible (©1995) in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. International Standard Version (©2008) In their case, the god of this world has blinded the minds of those who do not believe to keep them from seeing the light of the glorious gospel of the Messiah, who is the image of God. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) The god of this world has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. As a result, they don't see the light of the Good News about Christ's glory. It is Christ who is God's image. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) In whom the god of this age has blinded the minds of them who believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. American King James Version In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine to them. American Standard Version in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them . |
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That and who's to say in that time a day was 24 hours? In the flood itself the world took a major change in everything upon it, so who's to say in this day and age in question a day was 24 hours long? Scientific theory states that the speed of an object is related to the elapse of time. Current observations state that the universe is expanding and accelerating at nearly the speed of light. So, if true, the days of this age are "longer" than they would have been back then... Not to dis on science or even get into a science discussion, I just wish to make one comment on this. Science all in all seems "fairly" accurate. But notice this is a "theory" you have posted. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess. |
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here..... different versions all tell us of the god of this world system. New International Version The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. New Living Translation (©2007) Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. English Standard Version (©2001) In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. New American Standard Bible (©1995) in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. International Standard Version (©2008) In their case, the god of this world has blinded the minds of those who do not believe to keep them from seeing the light of the glorious gospel of the Messiah, who is the image of God. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) The god of this world has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. As a result, they don't see the light of the Good News about Christ's glory. It is Christ who is God's image. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) In whom the god of this age has blinded the minds of them who believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. American King James Version In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine to them. American Standard Version in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them . None of these verses say Satan is God. Says God has blinded the minds of the unbelievers. Believing or not believing is a choice made by the person. So when one makes a choice to not believe, why should they see the glories of Heaven? |
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Sin_and_Sorrow......just have a second here....
THAT SAME DAY THAT ADAM AND EVE DISOBEYED GOD (sin of disobedience ) , they SPIRITUALLY DIED INSTANTLY... but the PHYSICAL DEATH is what just took longer..... hope this helps..... later..... |
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