Btw Cowboy.....Jesus did NOT " take our place" in hell.

That is Incorrect.

Jessu BORE our sins on the cross and paid the price in Full...on the cross.

Jesus siad, "It is Finished".

That means Done.


Paid for IN FULL....meaning.....Jesus did NOT have to also " take

our place " in hell.


The meaning of Jesus descending into hell is explained below.



Now....by Our believing and accepting Jesus , this PREVENTS us

from going to hell..but again, Jesus did NOT have to " take our

place" in hell .



Here..this will clarify :

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Question: "Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection?"



Answer: There is a great deal of confusion in regards to this

question. This concept comes primarily from the Apostles' Creed,

which states, “He descended into hell.” There are also a few

Scriptures which, depending on how they are translated, describe

Jesus going to “hell.” In studying this issue, it is important to

first understand what the Bible teaches about the realm of the dead.




In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the

dead is sheol. It simply means the “place of the dead” or

the “place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek word

that is used for hell is “hades,” which also refers to “the place

of the dead.” Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicate that

sheol/hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they

await the final resurrection and judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

gives a clear distinction between the two.




Hell (the lake of fire) is the PERMANENT and final place of judgment

for the lost. Hades is a TEMPORARY place. So, no, Jesus did not go

to hell because hell is a future realm, only put into effect after

the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).




Sheol/hades is a realm with TWO DIVISIONS (Matthew 11:23, 16:18;

Luke 10:15, 16:23; Acts 2:27-31), the abodes of the saved and the

lost. The abode of the saved was called “paradise” and “Abraham's

bosom.” The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by

a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus ascended to heaven, He took

the occupants of paradise (believers) WITH Him (Ephesians 4:8-10).




The LOST SIDE of sheol/hades has remained unchanged. All

unbelieving dead go there awaiting their final judgment in the

future. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes, according to Ephesians

4:8-10 and 1 Peter 3:18-20.




Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages as Psalm 16:10-

11 as translated in the King James Version, “For thou wilt not leave

my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see

corruption....Thou wilt show me the path of life.” “Hell” is not a

correct translation of this verse. A correct reading would be “the

grave” or “sheol.” Jesus said to the thief beside Him, “Today you

will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus’ body was in the

tomb; His soul/spirit went to the “paradise” side of sheol/hades.

He then removed all the righteous dead from paradise and took them

with Him to heaven. Unfortunately, in many translations of the

Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they

translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “sheol,” “hades,”

and “hell.”





Some have the viewpoint that Jesus went to “hell” or the suffering

side of sheol/hades in order to further be punished for our sins.

This idea is completely unbiblical. It was the death of Jesus on

the cross and His suffering in our place that sufficiently provided

for our redemption. It was His shed blood that effected our own

cleansing from sin (1 John 1:7-9). As He hung there on the cross,




He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. He

became sin for us: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us,

so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2

Corinthians 5:21). This imputation of sin helps us understand

Christ's struggle in the garden of Gethsemane with the cup of sin

which would be poured out upon Him on the cross.





When Jesus cried upon the cross, “Oh, Father, why have you forsaken

me?” (Matthew 27:46), it was then that He was separated from the

Father because of the sin poured out upon Him. As He gave up His

spirit, He said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit” (Luke

23:46). His suffering in our place was completed. His soul/spirit

went to the paradise side of hades. Jesus did not go to hell.

Jesus’ suffering ended the moment He died. The payment for sin was

paid. He then awaited the resurrection of His body and His return

to glory in His ascension. Did Jesus go to hell? No. Did Jesus go

to sheol/hades? Yes.

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Cowboy,Satan is not in hell...

satan walketh about seeking whom he may devour....


We wrestle not agaisnt flesh and blood, but against

principalitirs and powers of darkness in the spiritual realm...


do a study in The Word...

Why is it impossible to consider the fact that the evil/wicked could and will ultimately spend ALL of eternity in Hell?

You say He died for all our sins..
..he says all changed from Old to New Testaments.

However, Jesus, throughout the Bible, has spoke more openly of the truth and validity of said place of torment.

From the words of Bertrand Russel:

"There is one serious defect to my mind in Christ’s moral character, and that is that He believed in hell. I do not myself feel that any person who is really profoundly humane can believe in everlasting punishment. Christ certainly as depicted in the Gospels did believe in everlasting punishment, and one does find repeatedly a vindictive fury against those people who would not listen to His preaching–an attitude which is common with preachers, but which does somewhat detract from superlative excellence. . . . I really do not think that a person with a proper degree of kindliness in his nature would have put fears and terrors of that sort into the world. . . . I must say that I think all this doctrine, that hellfire is a punishment for sin, is a doctrine of cruelty. It is a doctrine that put cruelty into the world and gave the world generations of cruel torture; and the Christ of the Gospels, if you take Him as His chroniclers represent Him, would certainly have to be considered partly responsible for that."

The people living in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Satan. Your Hitlers and your Mansons.
The Black Hand members, and many more.

You state:

"So long as you truly feel in your heart guilty for your false belief and your sins, you will find your way into Paradise."

So, by your standards and what you've both proclaimed:

..If not to suffer eternally in Hell, where does such type of people then go?

..and sweet cherry pie..

Do we really now deem Hell as nothing more than just a Hotel Lobby?!

Seriously.

There is one serious defect to my mind in Christ’s moral character, and that is that He believed in hell. I do not myself feel that any person who is really profoundly humane can believe in everlasting punishment.

If not to suffer eternally in Hell, where does such type of people then go?

Well for one, "hell" is not everlasting punishment. It's only punishment in the fact that Satan and his angels are no longer in Heaven. They are not tortured in hell or anything, they are placed there because they were kicked out of Heaven for what Satan was saying, believing, and doing in Heaven.

Lake of fire.

Revelations 20:15

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Acts 2:31
31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.


His soul was not left in hell. If it was not left in hell, then obviously he atleast went to hell in one point or nother, for if he wouldn't have went to hell, there would be no way for it to be left there or not for it wouldn't be there.

Cowboy,Satan is not in hell...

satan walketh about seeking whom he may devour....


We wrestle not agaisnt flesh and blood, but against

principalitirs and powers of darkness in the spiritual realm...


do a study in The Word...

So, in other words..

What Satan did was okay, he just can't go back to Heaven.
Meanwhile, unless we "worship" this God of yours, we will suffer even worse than Satan himself?

Interesting.



..which is just so fair and just.

What Satan did was okay, he just can't go back to Heaven.
Meanwhile, unless we "worship" this God of yours, we will suffer even worse than Satan himself?

Cowboy wrote:




Jesus descended into hell(hades/paridise region ) and


took the believing souls in paradise , back up to heaven

with Him.


But Jesus did NOT " take our place" in hell, as you keep

indicating.

So, in other words..

What Satan did was okay, he just can't go back to Heaven.
Meanwhile, unless we "worship" this God of yours, we will suffer even worse than Satan himself?

Interesting.



..which is just so fair and just.

..which is just so fair and just

No it was not okay. That is why he was kicked out of Heaven. And no we won't suffer worse then Satan. They will be punished the same at the same time, thrown into the lake of fire. Satan is only in Hell awaiting Judgement.

So, basically..

We have all become "sinners" due to Satan.

Yet he gets to kick back in the hotel lobby, doing wtf ever it is they do down there.

And when said "judgment" finally happens..

..only then he does he get to serve the equal punishment, of those who've sinned since he's original cause took place?

..and you still deem such "fair" and "just"?

Why is it not fair or just? Heck on this Earth you can technically do anything that trips your trigger just as Satan can in Hell. So again, please explain how it is unfair.

YOu go do a study.

It's Your job to open up scriptures and do a study in The Word


for once...not my job to go do it for you.



IF scriptures says satan walketh abut AS a roaring lion,

seeking whom he may devour, then OBVIOUSLY that must MEAN

satan is STILL WALKING ABOUT YET !!!


DO a study for yourself...gotta go.

He committed the act that doomed us all, from the start.
He gets to kick back for the past, what 20,000 some odd years?

Meanwhile, when judgment comes everyone that "sinned" since suffers the same exact punishment at the same exact time; and you call that fair? o.O

Let's say I kill 50 people.
You kill 1. However you do it 10 years later.

I don't start serving my sentence, until you do.
And our punishment is the exact same.

Fair?

Thank you. This is pretty much what I thought. I wonder where the idea first came from. I guess we will never know.

He committed no act(s) that doomed anyone but himself. Only you can do an action to condemn yourself. You are not accountable for anyone's actions but your own as no one is accountable for YOUR actions.

It is very simple minded I think - humans need food and sustenance
and offering a God some form of sustenance of value was undoubtedly
seen as a way of showing respect, deference and sincerity in
primitive societies toward their deities. It is universal - the
idea of sacrifice appears among all major religions and also
among Native Americans for example.

So I think of it as a form of tribute to an all powerful ruler,
that's all.