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MorningSong
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Yes..There is ONLY One God.
The tri-une God IS One God. ONLY ONE GOD. ONE SUPREME BEING. ONE GOD ALMIGHTY. PERIOD. And am saying this one last time : that was not a mere human being on that cross. That was GOD HIMSELF ( God The Son) Who was on that cross. Jesus Christ.....FULLY man AS WELL AS FULLY GOD. Not part..but FULLY. 
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Yes..There is ONLY One God. The tri-une God IS One God. ONLY ONE GOD. ONE SUPREME BEING. ONE GOD ALMIGHTY. PERIOD. And am saying this one last time : that was not a mere human being on that cross. That was GOD HIMSELF ( God The Son) Who was on that cross. Jesus Christ.....FULLY man AS WELL AS FULLY GOD. Not part..but FULLY.
That's human sacrifice then. The more you respond, the more it appears your beliefs are entirely PAGAN! |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 03/11/12 10:54 PM
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Yes..There is ONLY One God. The tri-une God IS One God. ONLY ONE GOD. ONE SUPREME BEING. ONE GOD ALMIGHTY. PERIOD. And am saying this one last time : that was not a mere human being on that cross. That was GOD HIMSELF ( God The Son) Who was on that cross. Jesus Christ.....FULLY man AS WELL AS FULLY GOD. Not part..but FULLY.
That's human sacrifice then. The more you respond, the more it appears your beliefs are entirely PAGAN! But to understand the truth of this... Of a certaintiy can Morning Song claim that God was on the Cross. God is in each human. He felt the pain of the one upon the cross yet also was within each of the witnesses... God is the Most Great Witness. He sees each of us through the eyes of another. and knows every thought within our soul. |
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That doesn't explain why you and others support the Greek myths and pagan practices. It can't be 100% true with Greek myths in there. The truth is the truth and all of your hocus-pocus can't hide it. |
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But to understand the truth of this... Of a certaintiy can Morning Song claim that God was on the Cross. God is in each human. He felt the pain of the one upon the cross yet also was within each of the witnesses... God is the Most Great Witness. He sees each of us through the eyes of another. and knows every thought within our soul. I do NOT think that someone else's "sacrifice" is in any way Godly. No way in Hades is blood sacrifice gonna sit well with me. I alone am responsible and I wouldn't want anyone to "pay" for my sins. It's sick, demented, and has it's roots in paganism... |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 03/11/12 11:19 PM
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I am just putting the info out there....
it surely is not up to me to convince you, Peter_pan. God is the Only One Able to do that, not man.
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I am just putting the info out there.... it surely is not up to me to convince you, Peter_pan. God is the Only One Able to do that, not man.
God has already convinced me. He has yet to convince you... Stop following man and his messed up lies... |
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You wanted some info on the Infallibility of the Bible.
I responded by providing you with some info, as requested. Now I am done .
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You wanted some info on the Infallibility of the Bible. I responded by providing you with some info, as requested. Now I am done .
I've read it, I still don't believe that lie... Jeremiah 8:8 New International Version (NIV) 8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? |
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No it was not okay. That is why he was kicked out of Heaven. And no we won't suffer worse then Satan. They will be punished the same at the same time, thrown into the lake of fire. Satan is only in Hell awaiting Judgement. So, basically.. We have all become "sinners" due to Satan. Yet he gets to kick back in the hotel lobby, doing wtf ever it is they do down there. And when said "judgment" finally happens.. ..only then he does he get to serve the equal punishment, of those who've sinned since he's original cause took place? ..and you still deem such "fair" and "just"? Why is it not fair or just? Heck on this Earth you can technically do anything that trips your trigger just as Satan can in Hell. So again, please explain how it is unfair. He committed the act that doomed us all, from the start. He gets to kick back for the past, what 20,000 some odd years? Meanwhile, when judgment comes everyone that "sinned" since suffers the same exact punishment at the same exact time; and you call that fair? o.O Let's say I kill 50 people. You kill 1. However you do it 10 years later. I don't start serving my sentence, until you do. And our punishment is the exact same. Fair? He committed no act(s) that doomed anyone but himself. Only you can do an action to condemn yourself. You are not accountable for anyone's actions but your own as no one is accountable for YOUR actions. You perfectly ignored the actual question. ..and yes, he did, fyi. Snake. Apple. Eve. ..ring a bell? o.O If he "hadn't" done anything..? |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 03/11/12 11:23 PM
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Meaningless opinions of man. "Scripture" was only the OT during Yeshua's time... But you like to deny the OT scriptures, huh? Please, if u say you're done, then be done. Don't go back on your word... |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 03/12/12 01:20 AM
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Cowboy wrote: Acts 2:31
31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. His soul was not left in hell. If it was not left in hell, then obviously he atleast went to hell in one point or nother, for if he wouldn't have went to hell, there would be no way for it to be left there or not for it wouldn't be there. Jesus descended into hell(hades/paridise region ) and took the believing souls in paradise , back up to heaven with Him. But Jesus did NOT " take our place" in hell, as you keep indicating.
Cowboy wrote: Please give us a verse that says Jesus brought souls out of Heaven when he was resurrected. Because as far as I know, Jesus was the only one that returned.
Here.... this should explain, Cowboy.... http://www.heaven.net.nz/answers/answer17.htm but after this , let's get back to the original topic of the thread..... don't want to hi-jack Ruth's thread any futher than we already have, if you all don't mind, please... (ask via email if you have any further questions, Cowboy). Thank You. ( my sincere apologies to you, Ruth, for getting off topic here)
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Edited by
Peter_Pan69
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Mon 03/12/12 01:39 AM
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Cowboy wrote: Acts 2:31
31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. His soul was not left in hell. If it was not left in hell, then obviously he atleast went to hell in one point or nother, for if he wouldn't have went to hell, there would be no way for it to be left there or not for it wouldn't be there. Jesus descended into hell(hades/paridise region ) and took the believing souls in paradise , back up to heaven with Him. But Jesus did NOT " take our place" in hell, as you keep indicating.
Cowboy wrote: Please give us a verse that says Jesus brought souls out of Heaven when he was resurrected. Because as far as I know, Jesus was the only one that returned.
Here.... this should explain, Cowboy.... http://www.heaven.net.nz/answers/answer17.htm but after this , let's get back to the original topic of the thread..... don't want to hi-jack Ruth's thread any futher than we already have, if you all don't mind, please... (ask via email if you have any further questions, Cowboy). Thank You. ( my sincere apologies to you, Ruth, for getting off topic here)
From that website of man's opinion: Below are the definitions for the 3 words. HADES {hah'-dace} (as negative particle) hell, grave name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead later use of this word: the grave, death, hell In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. GEENNA {gheh'-en-nah} hell, hell fire A Greek myth in the NT? We are told to keep our heads in all situations. We are supposed to REJECT all myths and pagan ideas, not embrace them and make excuses for keeping the traditions of men. 2 Timothy 4:3-5 New International Version (NIV) 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. Hell is the place of the future punishment call "Gehenna" or "Gehenna of fire". This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction. SHEOL {sheh-ole'} Notice it says "symbol". It is NOT literal and to interpret it that way is blasphemy. sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead place of no return without praise of God wicked sent there for punishment righteous not abandoned to it That's a lie, both the righteous and unrighteous were there in the OT. If you have to lie to support your paganistic views, it's not right, plain and simple. From the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol Sheol ( /ˈʃiːoʊl/ SHEE-ohl or /ˈʃiːəl/ SHEE-əl; Hebrew שְׁאוֹל Šʾôl), translated as "grave", "pit", or "abode of the dead", is the Old Testament/Hebrew bible's underworld, a place of darkness to which all the dead go, both the righteous and the unrighteous, regardless of the moral choices made in life, a place of stillness and darkness cut off from God. |
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Does anyone know where the need for blood sacrifice originated from? Animal and human sacrifices have been used for offerings and atonement for sins in many religions. Where did this idea come from? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrifice Thank you. This is pretty much what I thought. I wonder where the idea first came from. I guess we will never know. It is very simple minded I think - humans need food and sustenance and offering a God some form of sustenance of value was undoubtedly seen as a way of showing respect, deference and sincerity in primitive societies toward their deities. It is universal - the idea of sacrifice appears among all major religions and also among Native Americans for example. So I think of it as a form of tribute to an all powerful ruler, that's all. The sacrifice(s) weren't specifically a gift to God. God has all, there is nothing you or me could give or take from God. It was a sacrifice in the fact that you were giving up something YOU needed in asking God for forgiveness. It put sincerity behind your words eg., actions speak louder then words. It was giving up something you needed in display of your greif for what you did or didn't do and a show of trusting in God he will give you what you need back. I don't disagree with that - that is why it is called a sacrifice. It is definitely a display that an individual or a community is willing to give up something of value to humble themselves. I was just pointing out that the idea of asking for forgiveness in this particular way is common among all religions of the world in their respective rituals. I think it is a manifestation of how humans brains work. We have the capacity for delayed gratification and emotional need to show contrition, exercise self-control and find it satisfying to realize our on humility when contemplating the infinite. All of us in all of our varied religious observances. But clearly the idea of sacrifice pre-dates the development of all modern day religions. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 03/12/12 02:17 AM
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Peter_pan wrote:
From the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol Sheol ( /ˈʃiːoʊl/ SHEE-ohl or /ˈʃiːəl/ SHEE-əl; Hebrew שְׁאוֹל Šʾôl), translated as "grave", "pit", or "abode of the dead", is the Old Testament/Hebrew bible's underworld, a place of darkness to which all the dead go, both the righteous and the unrighteous, regardless of the moral choices made in life, a place of stillness and darkness cut off from God. The bible clearly shows sheol ( the greek translation for sheol is called hades) is dividied into 2 sections... between the righteousness and the unrighteousness : hades/paradise. I already showed this earlier....showing it again (see below).. NOW ...let's please respect Ruth's thread by getting back on topic !!! ......... Sheol/hades is a realm with TWO DIVISIONS (Matthew 11:23, 16:18; Luke 10:15, 16:23; Acts 2:27-31), the abodes of the saved and the lost. The abode of the saved was called “paradise” and “Abraham's bosom.” The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus ascended to heaven, He took the occupants of paradise (believers) WITH Him (Ephesians 4:8-10).
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Looking over the argument going on between some of the posters regarding which scripture says what, and which one(s) should be believed to be from God as a result of the apparent contradiction(s) - I guess two questions, to me, become rather obvious and pivotal to understanding exactly what one's belief system is built upon...
How on earth do we humans determine which of the biblical scriptures are divinely inspired and which ones aren't? I mean, what could be possibly used as a criterion in order to judge which ones are to be believed and which ones aren't? 
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Looking over the argument going on between some of the posters regarding which scripture says what, and which one(s) should be believed to be from God as a result of the apparent contradiction(s) - I guess two questions, to me, become rather obvious and pivotal to understanding exactly what one's belief system is built upon... How on earth do we humans determine which of the biblical scriptures are divinely inspired and which ones aren't? I mean, what could be possibly used as a criterion in order to judge which ones are to be believed and which ones aren't?
If you've read the Bible, then you know that "God's Law" is written on the hearts of all men. So, you test it and if your "heart" rejects it, then you know the answer... That and you could do research and find out what is translated incorrectly and/or out and out lies... |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 03/12/12 02:57 AM
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First ....Love God with all your heart and mind and
soul and strength.... Second....Love your neighbor as yourself. On those 2 commandments HANG ALL the law and the prophets !!!! THOSE 2 COMMANDMENTS which ALL the law and the prophets hang on now, is what is actually written on the tablets of a BORN AGAIN BELIEVER'S HEART!!! BUT that does NOT discount God's Word !!!!! Gods Word is Infallible!!! .............. 2 Timothy 3:16 >> ALLLLL Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; ........................... Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow ALL the words of this law. ...................... 2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that NO prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's OWN interpretation ................... King James Bible But Peter_pam...IF you wish to think God's Word contains errors... well....... Not gonna argue with you.
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