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Edited by
RKISIT
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See the problem i have with any of the Abrahamic religions is the fact that according to them if i don't believe in their God i'm going to a mythical place called hell and suffer eternal damnation.On the other hand i look at them knowing when they finally die,their body functions have stopped and they do not have to answer to anyone.
It just kind of irks me knowing that people have this false security that if they follow the rules of a mythical God and Jesus for christians that they'll end up in this mythical place called heaven. Well when they're dead atleast they won't have to worry about the disappointing fact of there being no heaven cause they'll be in a eternal death sleep. |
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See the problem i have with any of the Abrahamic religions is the fact that according to them if i don't believe in their God i'm going to a mythical place called hell and suffer eternal damnation.On the other hand i look at them knowing when they finally die,their body functions have stopped and do not have to answer to anyone. It just kind of irks me knowing that people have this false security that if they follow the rules of a mythical God and Jesus for christians that they'll end up in this mythical place called heaven. Well when they're dead atleast they won't have to worry about the disappointing fact of there being no heaven cause they'll be in a eternal death sleep. Nah, dude.. I'm tellin' ya.. When we pass on.. ..our souls do head northward.. However, they make no pit-stop in the clouds. No. Instead, our soul travel to the opposite end of the universe and take the form of a new soul in another race of humans living in a far off place. It also explains that if we did in fact return as another being why we hold little to none remembrance of our life prior; becaue by the time our soul reaches that other planet.. it wouldn't recall nada. :D |
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See the problem i have with any of the Abrahamic religions is the fact that according to them if i don't believe in their God i'm going to a mythical place called hell and suffer eternal damnation.On the other hand i look at them knowing when they finally die,their body functions have stopped and they do not have to answer to anyone. It just kind of irks me knowing that people have this false security that if they follow the rules of a mythical God and Jesus for christians that they'll end up in this mythical place called heaven. Well when they're dead atleast they won't have to worry about the disappointing fact of there being no heaven cause they'll be in a eternal death sleep. great point a false hope that may NOT be false is better than no hope at all,,,, nothing lost there,,, |
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See the problem i have with any of the Abrahamic religions is the fact that according to them if i don't believe in their God i'm going to a mythical place called hell and suffer eternal damnation.On the other hand i look at them knowing when they finally die,their body functions have stopped and they do not have to answer to anyone. It just kind of irks me knowing that people have this false security that if they follow the rules of a mythical God and Jesus for christians that they'll end up in this mythical place called heaven. Well when they're dead atleast they won't have to worry about the disappointing fact of there being no heaven cause they'll be in a eternal death sleep. great point a false hope that may NOT be false is better than no hope at all,,,, nothing lost there,,, |
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Yea real nice guy this god that requires you believe in him or he makes you suffer for eternity.
great point a false hope that may NOT be false is better than no hope at all,,,, nothing lost there,,, HOPE! Really, I agree I hope this evil god wont torture me forever. |
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Yea real nice guy this god that requires you believe in him or he makes you suffer for eternity. great point a false hope that may NOT be false is better than no hope at all,,,, nothing lost there,,, HOPE! Really, I agree I hope this evil god wont torture me forever. Fallacious claims.... Care to show where you got "suffer for eternity"??? I bet I get the "no need to show evidence" BS... |
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Fallacious claims.... Care to show where you got "suffer for eternity"??? I bet I get the "no need to show evidence" BS... Fallacious? No. Misinterpreted? Possibly. Jude 7: States that both Sodom and Gomorrah will both 'suffer the fires for eternity'. Thus, it's almost safe to assume that it is possible for another to 'suffer' that same fate. At the same time... Revelations (not sure the number off hand) states, roughly (as I'm going off memory here) You can find sickness, sorrow, and suffering in all walks of life but there will come a time when all is brushed aside. The fact that God allows said suffering, it is easy to assume, that he can and will allow such in the days after. So, ultimately, it is how you perceive it to be. |
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Yea real nice guy this god that requires you believe in him or he makes you suffer for eternity. great point a false hope that may NOT be false is better than no hope at all,,,, nothing lost there,,, HOPE! Really, I agree I hope this evil god wont torture me forever. Fallacious claims.... Care to show where you got "suffer for eternity"??? I bet I get the "no need to show evidence" BS... I made no claims. This is how bad it can get when you dont care about the content and only how you feel. I said, and I quote, "I Hope this evil god wont torture me forever." Where is the claim in that peter? What am I claiming? Tell me all about it man. I am all ears. |
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Yea real nice guy this god that requires you believe in him or he makes you suffer for eternity. Where is the claim? I made no claims. This is how bad it can get when you dont care about the content and only how you feel. I said, and I quote, "I Hope this evil god wont torture me forever." Where is the claim in that peter? What am I claiming? Tell me all about it man. I am all ears. Pst. Bushido. The first part of this post. I don't believe that was directed at you but the one who said: Yea real nice guy this god that requires you believe in him or he makes you suffer for eternity. ..which ultimately is the 'said claim'. |
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Yea real nice guy this god that requires you believe in him or he makes you suffer for eternity. great point a false hope that may NOT be false is better than no hope at all,,,, nothing lost there,,, HOPE! Really, I agree I hope this evil god wont torture me forever. everyone has hopes, I hope,,,lol |
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..which ultimately is the 'said claim'. Ahh, makes sense, however. I was raised southern Babtist and I WAS taught that if you did not believe in Jesus as your savior you would be sent to hell and there was nothing saying it wouldn't be forever. So any given person may argue scripture, but to deny that these tactics are not used by many Christians is to stick your head in the sand. Just my .02 |
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..which ultimately is the 'said claim'. Ahh, makes sense, however. I was raised southern Babtist and I WAS taught that if you did not believe in Jesus as your savior you would be sent to hell and there was nothing saying it wouldn't be forever. So any given person may argue scripture, but to deny that these tactics are not used by many Christians is to stick your head in the sand. Just my .02 its also a shame you were taught that,, from the accounts on these boards, religion may vary by region,,,,, |
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..which ultimately is the 'said claim'. Ahh, makes sense, however. I was raised southern Babtist and I WAS taught that if you did not believe in Jesus as your savior you would be sent to hell and there was nothing saying it wouldn't be forever. So any given person may argue scripture, but to deny that these tactics are not used by many Christians is to stick your head in the sand. Just my .02 its also a shame you were taught that,, from the accounts on these boards, religion may vary by region,,,,, I might be mistaken, but I don't believe, correct me if I'm wrong, that me nor Bushido live entirely close to each other. Pennsylvania majority of my whole life. With a brief encounter with the cornfields of Iowa before returning home. Outside that, when I was younger going through Confirmation and what have you; that was a major detail that was enforced throughout the lessons. Ultimately believing, accepting, worshiping, praying, and repenting every Sunday for my sins in proportion would be the only way to ultimately gain my access to 'the greener pasture'. It wasn't until I told my pastor that I believed God's enforcement upon us was that of tyrant demanding the loyalty of his subjects and that this, alone, in the end would make most stray further from him. Maybe it was an older concept now tossed from the religion eye scope? My old church no longer conveys that message as such a 'harsh demand'. I could be entirely wrong, however, but it is definitely how I was originally raised into the 'religious' community. lol We did a church play about Jesus and the days leading up to his crucifixion. I got to play a soldier that got to beat the snot out of Jesus before dragging him before Pontius. My best friend got to play a demon. Before each performance, they made us kneel and like 12 different people prayed for us. Talk about superstitious. |
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in Ohio,,, nothing in my church experience required a 'confirmation'
baptist,,,, |
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in Ohio,,, nothing in my church experience required a 'confirmation' baptist,,,, Meh, I'm not talking the 'confirmation' aspect. I'm talking 'believe and repent' or go to Hell aspect of it. I didn't want to be confirmed, and that was just stating and pointing out my involvement with the church at that time and point. |
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..which ultimately is the 'said claim'. Ahh, makes sense, however. I was raised southern Babtist and I WAS taught that if you did not believe in Jesus as your savior you would be sent to hell and there was nothing saying it wouldn't be forever. So any given person may argue scripture, but to deny that these tactics are not used by many Christians is to stick your head in the sand. Just my .02 its also a shame you were taught that,, from the accounts on these boards, religion may vary by region,,,,, I might be mistaken, but I don't believe, correct me if I'm wrong, that me nor Bushido live entirely close to each other. Pennsylvania majority of my whole life. With a brief encounter with the cornfields of Iowa before returning home. Outside that, when I was younger going through Confirmation and what have you; that was a major detail that was enforced throughout the lessons. Ultimately believing, accepting, worshiping, praying, and repenting every Sunday for my sins in proportion would be the only way to ultimately gain my access to 'the greener pasture'. It wasn't until I told my pastor that I believed God's enforcement upon us was that of tyrant demanding the loyalty of his subjects and that this, alone, in the end would make most stray further from him. Maybe it was an older concept now tossed from the religion eye scope? My old church no longer conveys that message as such a 'harsh demand'. I could be entirely wrong, however, but it is definitely how I was originally raised into the 'religious' community. lol We did a church play about Jesus and the days leading up to his crucifixion. I got to play a soldier that got to beat the snot out of Jesus before dragging him before Pontius. My best friend got to play a demon. Before each performance, they made us kneel and like 12 different people prayed for us. Talk about superstitious. That was a neat part. 
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Edited by
Sin_and_Sorrow
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Thu 02/16/12 04:17 PM
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That was a neat part. It was awesome! How many people you know can honestly say: "I got to beat up Jesus in church." o.o I think I made some old ladies pee themselves. We got great reviews by the local papers. Apparently one old guy said, "I never hated a man in uniform as much as that performance. Those soldiers were intense and truly made you feel their anger and displeasure in their tedious tasks. They meant to convey a message, and they, in my book, certainly conveyed it well." We were told to be ruthless. We were. ..and odd thing is, there was only four soldiers. :D |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Thu 02/16/12 05:16 PM
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Every word of scripture is true.
That includes that hell is a real place. But God also draws man and give every man a chance to know Him. God will draw...convict.. God sends no man to hell... man sens himself there...by still rejecting Jesus to the very end, and only after God has repeatedly reached out time and time and time again....and man still ends up rejecting God when he leaves this earth. When God is drawing you, you will know. God knows that on our own , NONE OF US are able to come to Him and believe in Him ,and accept Him ,on our own. We just can't....we are not able to.....cause sin has separated us from God and also as a result,our spirtual eyes are blind. That is why God draws..and reaches out to us.....and deals with our hearts..so we WILL come to Him and accept him, so that we may be saved. God alone does the saving...but God will never force anyone to accept Him. But God WILL deal with all our hearts ....and gives us ALL a chance to come to Him ..and accept Him into our hearts. God turns NO ONE AWAY, Who calls upon his Name ,and with a sincere heart.  Let us not underestimate the Power of God...and what God is Able to do. Amen. |
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..which ultimately is the 'said claim'. Ahh, makes sense, however. I was raised southern Babtist and I WAS taught that if you did not believe in Jesus as your savior you would be sent to hell and there was nothing saying it wouldn't be forever. So any given person may argue scripture, but to deny that these tactics are not used by many Christians is to stick your head in the sand. Just my .02 Hmmmm, was this a deflection tactic or an obscured "no need to show evidence BS"? Or perhaps it was your evidence in an appeal to authority? Whatever it was, it's time for you to pull your head out of the sand and recognise what it is that you are doing... You apply the double-standard, sliding scale rule of requirements for "evidence".... OK, the Southern Baptists taught you about "Jesus" and "Hell", I get that... So then why do you question the existence of God? If you can take oral testimony and draw conclusions as well as make claims about "hell", then what's the difference between that and the existence of God? With one you require "spectacular" evidence, the other, hearsay testimony? To be honest, I'd have to say that your line of reasoning is what should constitute "magical thinking". After all, it seems to give you the ability to deny what you have posted... It took Sin_and_Sorrow's post to show you the claim(s) you made, doesn't that slight mishap cause you to question your own memory and/or perception? There were actually two claims made, but I thought I would make it easier for ya by only focussing on one. "Yea real nice guy this god that requires you believe in him or he makes you suffer for eternity." 1st claim: God requires you to believe in Him... 2nd claim: He will make you suffer for eternity if you don't believe in Him... So, do you apply the scientific principal and verify your own claims? Or do you simply believe whatever someone tells you and say "no need to show evidence"? |
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..which ultimately is the 'said claim'. Ahh, makes sense, however. I was raised southern Babtist and I WAS taught that if you did not believe in Jesus as your savior you would be sent to hell and there was nothing saying it wouldn't be forever. So any given person may argue scripture, but to deny that these tactics are not used by many Christians is to stick your head in the sand. Just my .02 Hmmmm, was this a deflection tactic or an obscured "no need to show evidence BS"? Or perhaps it was your evidence in an appeal to authority? Whatever it was, it's time for you to pull your head out of the sand and recognise what it is that you are doing... You apply the double-standard, sliding scale rule of requirements for "evidence".... OK, the Southern Baptists taught you about "Jesus" and "Hell", I get that... So then why do you question the existence of God? If you can take oral testimony and draw conclusions as well as make claims about "hell", then what's the difference between that and the existence of God? With one you require "spectacular" evidence, the other, hearsay testimony? To be honest, I'd have to say that your line of reasoning is what should constitute "magical thinking". After all, it seems to give you the ability to deny what you have posted... It took Sin_and_Sorrow's post to show you the claim(s) you made, doesn't that slight mishap cause you to question your own memory and/or perception? There were actually two claims made, but I thought I would make it easier for ya by only focussing on one. "Yea real nice guy this god that requires you believe in him or he makes you suffer for eternity." 1st claim: God requires you to believe in Him... 2nd claim: He will make you suffer for eternity if you don't believe in Him... So, do you apply the scientific principal and verify your own claims? Or do you simply believe whatever someone tells you and say "no need to show evidence"? So, do you apply the scientific principal and verify your own claims? Or do you simply believe whatever someone tells you and say "no need to show evidence"? I have a question that goes along with your statement here. It's a little "off topic" but it relates into the topic. So do you check EVERYTHING you know about "history" to verify it to be true? How do you absolutely know Abraham was a president for absolutes? Someone tell you? Where you there? Or I'll go with what you request, "what evidence do you have of this"? And the evidence has to be shown to be authentic and absolute. People don't believe in religion because they do not wish to. In this case "Christianity". It's not because they haven't been "convinced" or anything, it's because they CHOOSE not to believe. Yes I understand quite a bit of history CAN be verified through investigation, but have you ever really done it? I'm not speaking about one or two incidents, but everything you know about history, have you thoroughly checked it out to ensure it to be true? If not, why not? |
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