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Topic: Fake Christians
tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Wed 02/22/12 09:36 PM
I enjoy the conversations on these forums . . . I find nothing gained in responding to Peter, no give and take, no real conversation ever occurs. Even in our most heated arguments Spider still responds in meaningful ways. Agreed to the fifth degree. I think that rhymes.. No, not one time has anyone ever provided "proof" of these claims that I challenge. Nothing but deflections, denial and fluff. No "give and take". Give what? What would you want me to give someone who makes claims about my religion then refuses to back up their claims? Then if they do attempt to back up those claims, they cite "oral testimony"? (most recently by both of you) Proof of what claims? sodom and gamorah being individuals instead of cities?

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Wed 02/22/12 09:40 PM
I enjoy the conversations on these forums . . . I find nothing gained in responding to Peter, no give and take, no real conversation ever occurs. Even in our most heated arguments Spider still responds in meaningful ways. Agreed to the fifth degree. I think that rhymes.. No, not one time has anyone ever provided "proof" of these claims that I challenge. Nothing but deflections, denial and fluff. No "give and take". Give what? What would you want me to give someone who makes claims about my religion then refuses to back up their claims? Then if they do attempt to back up those claims, they cite "oral testimony"? (most recently by both of you) Proof of what claims? sodom and gamorah being individuals instead of cities? I am quite clear on what I do and do not challenge. Read for yourself...

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Wed 02/22/12 09:53 PM
I enjoy the conversations on these forums . . . I find nothing gained in responding to Peter, no give and take, no real conversation ever occurs. Even in our most heated arguments Spider still responds in meaningful ways. Agreed to the fifth degree. I think that rhymes.. No, not one time has anyone ever provided "proof" of these claims that I challenge. Nothing but deflections, denial and fluff. No "give and take". Give what? What would you want me to give someone who makes claims about my religion then refuses to back up their claims? Then if they do attempt to back up those claims, they cite "oral testimony"? (most recently by both of you) Proof of what claims? sodom and gamorah being individuals instead of cities? I am quite clear on what I do and do not challenge. Read for yourself... Hmm.. i must have read to quickly, sorry, what do you challenge and why? am i correct in thinking your a christian? why are you not then as a sighkik, forth telling the word of god to those who need to hear, or are you different than a profitt??

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Wed 02/22/12 10:03 PM
I enjoy the conversations on these forums . . . I find nothing gained in responding to Peter, no give and take, no real conversation ever occurs. Even in our most heated arguments Spider still responds in meaningful ways. Agreed to the fifth degree. I think that rhymes.. No, not one time has anyone ever provided "proof" of these claims that I challenge. Nothing but deflections, denial and fluff. No "give and take". Give what? What would you want me to give someone who makes claims about my religion then refuses to back up their claims? Then if they do attempt to back up those claims, they cite "oral testimony"? (most recently by both of you) Proof of what claims? sodom and gamorah being individuals instead of cities? I am quite clear on what I do and do not challenge. Read for yourself... Hmm.. i must have read to quickly, sorry, what do you challenge and why? am i correct in thinking your a christian? why are you not then as a sighkik, forth telling the word of god to those who need to hear, or are you different than a profitt?? Why is it that some people refuse to read for themselves? Does everyone prefer to be told what to believe instead of coming to their own conclusions?

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Wed 02/22/12 10:27 PM
I enjoy the conversations on these forums . . . I find nothing gained in responding to Peter, no give and take, no real conversation ever occurs. Even in our most heated arguments Spider still responds in meaningful ways. Agreed to the fifth degree. I think that rhymes.. Well.... that answers everything i asked, lol No, not one time has anyone ever provided "proof" of these claims that I challenge. Nothing but deflections, denial and fluff. No "give and take". Give what? What would you want me to give someone who makes claims about my religion then refuses to back up their claims? Then if they do attempt to back up those claims, they cite "oral testimony"? (most recently by both of you) Proof of what claims? sodom and gamorah being individuals instead of cities? I am quite clear on what I do and do not challenge. Read for yourself... Hmm.. i must have read to quickly, sorry, what do you challenge and why? am i correct in thinking your a christian? why are you not then as a sighkik, forth telling the word of god to those who need to hear, or are you different than a profitt?? Why is it that some people refuse to read for themselves? Does everyone prefer to be told what to believe instead of coming to their own conclusions?

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Wed 02/22/12 10:28 PM
well.......... that answers everything i asked, lol

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Wed 02/22/12 10:52 PM
I have a question that goes along with your statement here. It's a little "off topic" but it relates into the topic. So do you check EVERYTHING you know about "history" to verify it to be true? How do you absolutely know Abraham was a president for absolutes? Someone tell you? Where you there? Or I'll go with what you request, "what evidence do you have of this"? And the evidence has to be shown to be authentic and absolute. I think when 12 different countries all have the same documented proof, whether pictures, or have it written; it's pretty much safe to say its truth. Even Iraq knows who are presidents have been; even if they do not teach it. Yet even Christians argue the content of the Bible, let alone the other religion and non-religious in existence. For me, it is not truth, until I have encountered enough evidence for me to have no room to believe otherwise. People don't believe in religion because they do not wish to. In this case "Christianity". It's not because they haven't been "convinced" or anything, it's because they CHOOSE not to believe. Not at all true. I did believe once, but when I began to question, is when I began to have that believe waiver. Lack of evidence, lack of logic. Yes I understand quite a bit of history CAN be verified through investigation, but have you ever really done it? I'm not speaking about one or two incidents, but everything you know about history, have you thoroughly checked it out to ensure it to be true? If not, why not? I myself have on areas that presently affect me in some way or another. Some things, I just feel the need or desire to concern myself with because their validity is or little to no value to me so why bother? History is myth, based on pesonages thruoghout time, no more no less, if they wont believe the truth, then give them the myth. ..on certain levels, this could be true. My own history, well, that wouldn't be. I was there for it. Hi Sin, i even find myself at times not remebering things quite the way they realy happened when talking to others, that is what i mean ok? We "myth" represent and "myth" understand and "myth" construe a time moves on.history, even our own gets embellished, added onto, recollected differntly, i even see this with my 85 year old step mom. I dont correct her, i just agree and move on. But it is true that no history really is what happened just writings by those either present in some or one sense seeing it from thier perspective [one facet of what was actually happening] or gleaning the material from others transcrpits lateron who were also looking at if from thier own perspective, how many heros were there in rome or greece or elsewhere? we will never know, nor the real reasons behind any history. I agree.. My great grandfather used to tell me some amazing stories, but I don't think I can ever deem them much more than just stories despite his plea they are in fact truth. Some of them were truly outlandish, but I give him the benefit of the doubt that some of it could have been true, because with what little evidence exists, it supports some of his story. Of course, at the same time, some of it seemed completely fabricated, but he never went to the extreme of proclaiming he battled a large Kraken or anything. My grandfather's stories were more revolved around what he knew, which was war. He served in two, maybe three of them, and was present for Pearl Harbor. Now my uncle.. I never believe a word he says, cause he's just outright full of it. lol Oh, and btw, hey. :D

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Wed 02/22/12 10:57 PM
..which ultimately is the 'said claim'. Ahh, makes sense, however. I was raised southern Babtist and I WAS taught that if you did not believe in Jesus as your savior you would be sent to hell and there was nothing saying it wouldn't be forever. So any given person may argue scripture, but to deny that these tactics are not used by many Christians is to stick your head in the sand. Just my .02 Hmmmm, was this a deflection tactic or an obscured "no need to show evidence BS"? Or perhaps it was your evidence in an appeal to authority? Whatever it was, it's time for you to pull your head out of the sand and recognise what it is that you are doing... You apply the double-standard, sliding scale rule of requirements for "evidence".... OK, the Southern Baptists taught you about "Jesus" and "Hell", I get that... So then why do you question the existence of God? If you can take oral testimony and draw conclusions as well as make claims about "hell", then what's the difference between that and the existence of God? With one you require "spectacular" evidence, the other, hearsay testimony? To be honest, I'd have to say that your line of reasoning is what should constitute "magical thinking". After all, it seems to give you the ability to deny what you have posted... It took Sin_and_Sorrow's post to show you the claim(s) you made, doesn't that slight mishap cause you to question your own memory and/or perception? There were actually two claims made, but I thought I would make it easier for ya by only focussing on one. "Yea real nice guy this god that requires you believe in him or he makes you suffer for eternity." 1st claim: God requires you to believe in Him... 2nd claim: He will make you suffer for eternity if you don't believe in Him... So, do you apply the scientific principal and verify your own claims? Or do you simply believe whatever someone tells you and say "no need to show evidence"? Who are you "spider" in disguise???? Nope... I'm just a psychic who knows that people will not back up their own claims... Interesting, tell me something in the near future that is of large proportions that will come to pass please. March 6th, 2012. Someone famous, and unexpected, will pass away. 5 days later a bunch of people will die in Iran. ..A week after that, my neighbor disappears. Two days later, I'm arrested because I warned my neighbor to stfu with her whining everyday; and I'm heavily investigated into her 'disappearance'. 9 hours later, I'm released on bail. December 12th, 2012, I'm found not guilty on lack of evidence, but the police still swear I did it.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Thu 02/23/12 08:45 AM
LMAO, well.... looks like your in for an exciting year sin, good luck with that, lol.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Thu 02/23/12 08:51 AM
And my prediction still stands as 100% correct...

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Thu 02/23/12 01:37 PM
LMAO, well.... looks like your in for an exciting year sin, good luck with that, lol. Haha. I know right? :O ..I'm also predicting.. It's gonna be a really flipping hot summer. :/ ..can just feel it.