I have a question that goes along with your statement here. It's a little "off topic" but it relates into the topic.

So do you check EVERYTHING you know about "history" to verify it to be true? How do you absolutely know Abraham was a president for absolutes? Someone tell you? Where you there? Or I'll go with what you request, "what evidence do you have of this"? And the evidence has to be shown to be authentic and absolute.

People don't believe in religion because they do not wish to. In this case "Christianity". It's not because they haven't been "convinced" or anything, it's because they CHOOSE not to believe.

Yes I understand quite a bit of history CAN be verified through investigation, but have you ever really done it? I'm not speaking about one or two incidents, but everything you know about history, have you thoroughly checked it out to ensure it to be true? If not, why not?

Forgiveness can only be granted to a person who is sincerely sorry for what they have done and that is a person who resolves not to do it again. It also can only be granted if you can forgive yourself and others. You must be willing to take full responsibility for your actions and you must know that you have changed and you will be a changed person with resolve. That is being born again in spirit. You are a new person, and a changed person.

None of that requires the idea of God or Jesus or the belief that God or Jesus has forgiven you, but some people feel they need an outside entity to forgive them for their sins and wash them clean.

As long as you forgive yourself and have resolved to be responsible and pay the price and to change your ways, you are a new person, and one can say that you are born again.

Judgement is when you have judged yourself.

I have a question that goes along with your statement here. It's a little "off topic" but it relates into the topic.

So do you check EVERYTHING you know about "history" to verify it to be true? How do you absolutely know Abraham was a president for absolutes? Someone tell you? Where you there? Or I'll go with what you request, "what evidence do you have of this"? And the evidence has to be shown to be authentic and absolute.

People don't believe in religion because they do not wish to. In this case "Christianity". It's not because they haven't been "convinced" or anything, it's because they CHOOSE not to believe.

Yes I understand quite a bit of history CAN be verified through investigation, but have you ever really done it? I'm not speaking about one or two incidents, but everything you know about history, have you thoroughly checked it out to ensure it to be true? If not, why not?

History is myth, based on pesonages thruoghout time, no more no less, if they wont believe the truth, then give them the myth.

Great way to remove gods responsibility for the system he created . . . .


Yea so god sits around for billions of years doing nothing. Then he decides the earth should have some bipedal beings on it, but screws up and has to wipe us out with a flood, then he decides to send down himself to appease himself over his own mistakes.

Gotcha.

Its a terrible twisted fantasy were the only one not responsible is the creator himself, lol.

I may even buy what you state if it were not for things 100 times worse in the god scenario, it is just to corrupted to save. even those who study the meanings of the supposed original text will say they really cant be sure of the words meaning in context.

Hogwash!!! We are at the center of our bieng pure selfishness, with that comes the inability for true change, meaning if and when circumstances arise that put us in a position to survive we will revert to our most basic instincts not caring what we do to stay alive. the onlt time this does or may not hold true is if we are putting our life at risk to save others we love more than ourselves. And even then it scares the proverbial myth of hell out of us.

Fake Christians are less of a threat to this countries well being as the hard core fundamentalists but Christianity has served it's purposes in our development as humans and we have now outgrown it's teaching. It is not relevant to us anymore plus it is actually damaging to us now.

Fake Christians are less of a threat to this countries well being as the hard core fundamentalists but Christianity has served it's purposes in our development as humans and we have now outgrown it's teaching. It is not relevant to us anymore plus it is actually damaging to us now.

Who are you "spider" in disguise????

..wait hold up.

You think it's just now becoming damaging to us? o.O

The Crusades.
Nazi Regime.

..most common two, but still.

It HAS BEEN damaging.

Wait a minute here.

Let's look at the topic of the thread and apply that to "The Crusades" and "Nazi Regime".

Where does that leave you? With "fake Christians" doing the things that you say have been damaging, correct? Unless of course you wish to argue that they were "true Christians", in which case, I would want to hear your explaination for that...




Are you familiar with the effects that Darwinism has had?

Nope... I'm just a psychic who knows that people will not back up their own claims...

I didn't make the comment that 'fake Christians' anything.
Nor did I entitle this thread.

That said.

My statement implied, simply:

"Religion itself has done absolutely little to no 'good' for society."

Thus, to validate that, I named some experiences in which 'society' has done horrendous actions all in the 'Name of God'.

This statement also flows over into present day.

Via. The radicals, for example.

Blaming "society" for "religion" on the grounds it was done in the "Name of God" does not villify religion. It villifies "society".

Unless you want to prove that "society" represented Christianity, it's a hollow claim...


Before you attempt that, you must first define a "fake Christian" and a "true Christian".

Then, if I can prove that "fake Christians" committed those "horrendous actions", then you claim that religion (Christianity) has been damaging has been debunked.


U up for a challenge?

The evidence lies in the upbringing.

Me and Bushido were both raised with receiving this as the interpretation.

To blindly say, 'people who will not back up their own claims' is ludicrous; because while it is not 'written'; this ideal was an early and deliberate message delivered by Christians (whether you deem them fake or otherwise) themselves.

"Believe or burn."

Also, if you want further proof.

Sodom and Gommorah (sp) are two individuals who, are in fact, according to scriptures, last I checked 'two that will suffer for eternity in Hell'.

So, ultimately, to make the claim that 'no one' is ever going to face such a verdict, is ludicrous, because if it happened not just once, but twice; who is anyone to say that it is not possible again?

Furthermore.

"Deny me among men, I will deny you before my Father."

If such an idea is taken by its context; this implies that if you deny Him (Christ) while walking on this Earth, he will deny you when you are facing judgment in front of God.

That said; if we deny him now, and then are denied by Christ when we face God...

...are you saying that such is BS and we will still get into Heaven?

So stop being so arrogant.

If you want 'proof', and their claim is viable, they will present such. I have always done such, or have admitted when I was in the wrong.

So, if such is true, feel free to point such out.

But don't be such a cocky pompous *** about it.

Sheesh.

I enjoy the conversations on these forums . . .

I find nothing gained in responding to Peter, no give and take, no real conversation ever occurs.

Even in our most heated arguments Spider still responds in meaningful ways.

lol, not cocky, confident...


Here's a hint, go find out which of these two words were the original words that "most" people accept as "fact".

1. "Eternity"
2. "Hell"


this is really simple and something that most anyone should be able to accomplish on their own.

After you figure out what the original words were, slap yourself in the forehead for being so damn gullible...