I'm just going to pop in to say . . . Msharmony, it seems like it's all about money to you. How come nobody else is talking about money in this scenario? And what about the concept of the gift? The father buys a laptop and gives it to his child. Isn't that a gift?

not necessarily, as a parent, a gift is only a gift for so long as it isnt misused

I may purchase a pet for a child, but if he doesnt care for it, I may decide to give it away or take it back,,,

I may get a water gun for my child, but if she continuously sprays people against their will,, I have the option to take that gift back, give it away, or sell it,,, if I so choose

its not about money, its about a sense of responsibility for actions, and respect and appreciation for others and their contributions which include the hard work to earn the MONEY , which is the means by which we care for our childrens physical needs and wants,,,,,,,

if we want to get into wars over spanking kids, lets not stop there, lets stop kids from being 'forced' to stay in their room, be grounded, or have anything ever given to them taken away,,,,

that should work SWELL, the non spanking philosophies of dr spock seem to have worked so wonderfully in creating more responsible , considerate children and adults,, after all,,,

I agree with the 1st part, and I was raised perfectly fine
not one spanking in my life, never been grounded and never
had any of my stuff shot at by my parents.

If you're a good parent you do not need to do any
of those things, and if you child acts in a way to
deserve punishment, you should more look at you're
parenting skill then things to beat them with.

each child is not the same

I will leave it at that


good parents use many techniques depending upon THEIR child

some spank, some ground, some use time outs, some may just have perfect little angels who cause no harm and just inherently know all the right things to do from birth without being disciplined at all,,,,

but what works for the child is BALANCE, however that is achieved, is to be determined by the parent who knows their children best,,,

you're missing the whole point that if you raise
you're kids properly they will not act out in those
manners. if they do it is not their fault but yours.

And you can not punish them for you're mistakes.

And hitting only teaches them that violence is
the way to solve problems.

you are missing the point
that you, nor I, nor anyone else is in another parents home to tell them if they are raising kids 'wrong' simply because they may choose or not choose to discipline

the proof is in the pudding, if children feel loved and secure and grow up to be loving and responsible adults,, they were RAISED right

I Was raised 'right', WITH SPANKING

you, I will give the benefit, were raised 'right' without it

bologna

I am the most non violent person you will ever find, I was spanked, but I had common sense and logic to understand it as a PARENTAL consequence as a child

just like I now know an ADULT consequence of breaking certain rules is IMPRISONMENT

but that doesnt mean I think its ok to go around locking people away against their will now

and it didnt mean I thought it was ok to go around 'hitting' people then,,,

there should be no need for discipline,
But like i said earlier, a demonstration
may help me see you're side of things
more clearly.

I doubt it, you are apparently as convinced your upbringing was the only right way as I Am that my upbringing was just as right,,,,


but thanks for the offer,,,,

i simply like to debate, there is
no right or wrong way.Plus you're
cute and I enjoy our banter.

our 'banter'....

yes, there is plenty of that and it IS nice to have a place to 'banter' civilly,,,

Indeed and exactly the reason I stay away from the religion and politics forums lol.

religion is the worst, its terrible after a while hearing people trying to belittle others spiritual beliefs or intelligence because they disagree

I have learned to stay away from there too, its hard to keep civil and respectful conversation there for some reason,,,

yes and having no religion myself I have no place there,
would be mean to simply go and debunk their faith.

well, I guess it could be said that no belief is a belief

just like choosing to do nothing is still a choice,,,

lol

its not so much the beliefs or non beliefs, as it is their delivery in regards to how they end up in personal insults towards the intelligence or reasonableness of others,,,

That because there is no way to win a debate in a topic like that,

Religion and politics have caused nothing
but trouble through out history.

I think humans can find a way to do that with just about anything,,,

I would love to see a war between Coke drinkers
and Pepsi drinkers lmfao

LOL

you could probably come close if you riled up the conspiracy promoters who feel all food is poisoned unless its organic




some would probably say letting your kids drink either of those was tantamount to poisoning them and consider it 'abuse'....