finallyyy someone who sees warhol's brilliance.
p.s;
i hattttttte picasso's realism.
it's the simplest, most boring, uninspiring crap.
and he agrees.
(:

to me edward van halen is a genius

who was andy warhol anyway? what instrument did he play?

BOTH scenario's are of that same Coward inner being.
For a person who was brave and true to their belief would NOT go to a bridge in the first place to even THINK ABOUT DOING IT,,without,,JUST DOING IT,,,Within the contemplations of the ACT,,THAT in it self is showing an inner conflict of their FEAR,,so Cowardly intentions as to THINK IT,,and NOT DO IT,,in BOTH of these questions asked to me.
Brave is the heart that can CUT THAT THOUGHT and TIE to LIVING,,
Now WE may see that act as cowardly,,,BUT..IN THAT PERSON'S MIND,,AT THAT TIME,,,THEY FEAR NOTHING!
If this makes any sense to anyone,,,lol
THATS my take on it--Anyway?,,,lol
BRAVE is seen in THEIR MINDS as to be leaving and knowing their doing THAT THROUGH!
Even IF they feeltheir weak,,and thats why their doing it,,IF ITS DONE,,and THEY FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT ACT,,THEY WERE BRAVE THEN!
THEY SHOWED THEMSELVES THEY COULD DO THAT!?

I guess a person who knows they are going to die soon, has nothing much to fear, and a person who plans to die by his own hand, has nothing to fear either.

Death seems to be one of the primary fears of someone who wants to live.

If life is scary, unpleasant or hopeless, death may seem a relief.

But minus the fear of death, what else is there to fear?

"Mother teressa,nelson mandella,Mahatma gandhi,Abraham lincon,Jesus christ were neither rich nor any inventors but they changed & are changing even after their death lives of millions."
Exactly my point about people having something to contribute. I never said anything about anyone being common when it comes to inventors; it doesn't matter who brought them up; these inventors again contributed. Money makes the world go around like it or not. If people didn't have money; they wouldn't have companies that employ people so they can survive. So, I stand by what I say. At my age; I have nothing to contribute to society; I wish I could but wishing doesn;t mean squat.

Mother teressa,nelson mandella,Mahatma gandhi,Abraham lincon,Jesus christ were neither rich nor any inventors but they changed & are changing even after their death lives of millions."
Exactly my point about people having something to contribute. I never said anything about anyone being common when it comes to inventors; it doesn't matter who brought them up; these inventors again contributed. Money makes the world go around like it or not. If people didn't have money; they wouldn't have companies that employ people so they can survive. So, I stand by what I say. At my age; I have nothing to contribute to society; I wish I could but wishing doesn;t mean squat
Excuse me Navy,,but,,
this LINE HERE,,At my age; I have nothing to contribute to society; I wish I could but wishing doesn;t mean squat

I hope you don'tmind me saying,,BULLLL SHITTT,,do ya?

YOU as long as your breathing, have MUCH to give to THIS Society..
YOU,,YOUR LIVING,,YOUR PERSON,,,has so much ability to GIVE to ANOTHER its NOT FUNNY!
Just your personality and conversations with someone,,MIGHT CHANGE THEIR LIVES? Who KNOWS,,,but one things a FACT,,IT COULD!!
And in THAT,,,YOU HAVE MUCH TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS WORLD.
For IF ONLY one LIFE was touched BY YOU,,and CHANGED in any aspects of its intentions,,,YOU DID THAT! and IF you were not ever BORN,,then THAT change would never have been taken as it was through YOUR HEART and MIND in words that gave THEM,,THAT...
ok,,sorry,,,I just KNOW,,,EVERY HUMAN BEING ALIVE,,,CAN,,and DOES MAKE a DIFFERENCE to US ALL...
Never a life born,,that did NOT HAVE ITS PLACE WAITING..to BEGIN..

This is absolutely true.

But of the five, only two or three will stand the test of oblivion by posterity.

Mother theresa was good, sacrificing her comfort for god and the poor, but there were many before her who did the same thing. Nobody remembers St. Elizabeth, Sgt. Hugnerot, and Father Shoshkowitch, who did the same.

Nelson mandela, I don't know, he went to prison a lot, and I am not sure he was tested by way of "if you say this or that then you will be released." He was a politically persecuted statesman, who brought about change with his genius. Will we remember him in two hundred years? I don't think I, for one, shall. Who remembers Mr. Meszaros, Mr. Clementsy, or Lady Jane now? You know, there were lots of genius politicians, who were tortured and jailed. Mandela, with all due respect, was one of them.

Mahatma Gandhi... well, he is going to be remembered. He was an inventor. An inventor of social movement, an inventor of a new way for the oppressed to fight for justice. He opened a new way of civil unrest, which was rather surprisingly very effective, nobody thought that it would be. He is going to be remembered for his inventing and testing the passive aggressive political tactic.

Abraham Lincoln? Nyeh, I don't know. We can't not get him out of our minds, and he was one of the early presidents of the USA who made a paramount decision to lead the USA into war against itself, but beyond that he was just another ordinary genius. He had another unusual feature, which was that he never lied. But this we can't test, we can only believe him when he said, "I've never uttered a lie." This could be a lie, but then we get to a paradox, and we had better not go there. At any rate, a politician who got to fill the White House with no prior dependency on lies is a singular miracle. But even miracles don't get remembered, mostly. Gandhi will be remembered, at least by historians, forever. Abe Lincoln will be forgotten the moment nobody remembers the USA.

And Jesus Christ... he was an inventor, all right, too. He invented "the helping god of the poor." Before him, there was no redemption of any kind for anyone, and especially not for the poor. The Greeks before him succeeded to put a human face on religion, but Jesus really humanized religiosity. It was a huge stroke of genius. And a a patentable theological invention.

The invention of Jesus's's going to be remembered forever.

wow

I guess this is the big kids' party - these posts are waaay to long to read much less respond to!!

now, that's MY contribution

touché,,,lol,and I agree,,,
even though,,that may be argued,,,,

I can't agree with you more. The only long posts I can manage to struggle and read through to their very end are my own. I like to read them. That's what made me into a writer, not talent or egging on by others or something.

Did you ever think that some of us born were nothing more than an accident and that we probably were never meant to be born?

You can't have a world where everybody makes some sort of massive earth-shaking impact. Can you imagine the size of the history books?

I am still laughing at the concept that you guys like Warhol and Picasso.

Hehehehehe no harm...no foul. Just something I find really funny.

Most of my real heroes were suicidal but most of my imaginary friends weren't. A lot of my imaginary friends persevered through all kinds of odds.

well I actaully like ur stuff better

I was teasing u guys. (u & wux) I can get a little wordy myself now & then

Did you ever think that some of us born were nothing more than an accident and that we probably were never meant to be born?
DO YOU know the ODDS of THAT being a reality?
How can the term even be thought of..an accident,,IF THAT WAS EVER NOT SOMETHING KNOWN AS FACT?
So to say I was an accident..being born,,,would I NOT HAVE TO FIRST HAVE BEEN THOUGHT?

Everyone has their own belief and ways and gods or no gods,,
Ilike to believe that matter has meaning,,and meaning has matter.
For there is NO WAY IN MY MIND,,do I feel the Earth and Sun and moon,,STAY RIGHT THERE WITH US,,,for no SPECIAL REASONING EXCEPT THERE THERE!
WE HAVE MEANING,,for those to be formed and sustain our lives here with their presence.

Every life born HAS NO ACCIDENT IN ITS FORM TO BECOME...even in animals,,,LIFE,,,was THOUGHT to become BORN,,at its infancy of molecules to gather and be....

DO YOU know the ODDS of THAT being a reality?
How can the term even be thought of..an accident,,IF THAT WAS EVER NOT SOMETHING KNOWN AS FACT?
So to say I was an accident..being born,,,would I NOT HAVE TO FIRST HAVE BEEN THOUGHT?

Everyone has their own belief and ways and gods or no gods,,
Ilike to believe that matter has meaning,,and meaning has matter.
For there is NO WAY IN MY MIND,,do I feel the Earth and Sun and moon,,STAY RIGHT THERE WITH US,,,for no SPECIAL REASONING EXCEPT THERE THERE!
WE HAVE MEANING,,for those to be formed and sustain our lives here with their presence.

Every life born HAS NO ACCIDENT IN ITS FORM TO BECOME...even in animals,,,LIFE,,,was THOUGHT to become BORN,,at its infancy of molecules to gather and be....


Yes, I do know for me that I was an accident. My parents told me so.

Yes, I do know for me that I was an accident. My parents told me so.

OK,,let me make my thoughts more clearer for you to think on,,
IN THAT CASE,,I AM AN ACCIDENT AS WELL..

And my parents didn't tell me THAT,,I looked up my Birth to them, to find out..,yet,,STILL,,not a PLANNED EVENT BY THEM,,OK?

So now being given the means to think,and become,,
Do I grow feeling I was a victim of being given life or do I TRY and figure out WHY I was GIVEN LIFE? Or is my life telling me I was an accident that ITS going to COME and TAKE ME BACK? And make IT RIGHT?

How EVERY ONE OF US USES THIS LIFE,,,IS SOUL-LY OUR OWN DECISION to MAKE and BE!
Can YOU,,right NOW,,tell me HONESTLY that YOUR VOICE to ANOTHER has NOT CHANGED THEIR MINDS IN SOME WAY? To RE-THINK an ISSUE of thought
within THEM,,,and through YOUR WORDS to them,,,THEY MADE A MOVE IN THE DIRECTION YOU SHOWED THEM??????

Can YOU say THIS HAS NOT HAPPEN TO YOU?

Yes, I can say that I have not changed a person's mind; I have given my ear but never changed someone's mind. I would never do that as I am not a trained professional and I would feel horrible if I gave someone the wrong advice. Why do you think you're parents never told you that you were an accident? Probably because they loved you. My parents were angry that I was born and my dad in particular said he should have drowned me at birth because I would amount to nothing. So, what would make me think that I was a planned event? It was sex and nothing more; my parents had no plan to have another child.