"Mother teressa,nelson mandella,Mahatma gandhi,Abraham lincon,Jesus christ were neither rich nor any inventors but they changed & are changing even after their death lives of millions."
Exactly my point about people having something to contribute. I never said anything about anyone being common when it comes to inventors; it doesn't matter who brought them up; these inventors again contributed. Money makes the world go around like it or not. If people didn't have money; they wouldn't have companies that employ people so they can survive. So, I stand by what I say. At my age; I have nothing to contribute to society; I wish I could but wishing doesn;t mean squat.

This is absolutely true.

But of the five, only two or three will stand the test of oblivion by posterity.

Mother theresa was good, sacrificing her comfort for god and the poor, but there were many before her who did the same thing. Nobody remembers St. Elizabeth, Sgt. Hugnerot, and Father Shoshkowitch, who did the same.

Nelson mandela, I don't know, he went to prison a lot, and I am not sure he was tested by way of "if you say this or that then you will be released." He was a politically persecuted statesman, who brought about change with his genius. Will we remember him in two hundred years? I don't think I, for one, shall. Who remembers Mr. Meszaros, Mr. Clementsy, or Lady Jane now? You know, there were lots of genius politicians, who were tortured and jailed. Mandela, with all due respect, was one of them.

Mahatma Gandhi... well, he is going to be remembered. He was an inventor. An inventor of social movement, an inventor of a new way for the oppressed to fight for justice. He opened a new way of civil unrest, which was rather surprisingly very effective, nobody thought that it would be. He is going to be remembered for his inventing and testing the passive aggressive political tactic.

Abraham Lincoln? Nyeh, I don't know. We can't not get him out of our minds, and he was one of the early presidents of the USA who made a paramount decision to lead the USA into war against itself, but beyond that he was just another ordinary genius. He had another unusual feature, which was that he never lied. But this we can't test, we can only believe him when he said, "I've never uttered a lie." This could be a lie, but then we get to a paradox, and we had better not go there. At any rate, a politician who got to fill the White House with no prior dependency on lies is a singular miracle. But even miracles don't get remembered, mostly. Gandhi will be remembered, at least by historians, forever. Abe Lincoln will be forgotten the moment nobody remembers the USA.

And Jesus Christ... he was an inventor, all right, too. He invented "the helping god of the poor." Before him, there was no redemption of any kind for anyone, and especially not for the poor. The Greeks before him succeeded to put a human face on religion, but Jesus really humanized religiosity. It was a huge stroke of genius. And a a patentable theological invention.

The invention of Jesus's's going to be remembered forever.

Did you ever think that some of us born were nothing more than an accident and that we probably were never meant to be born?

So what...??

How do it limits one?

Do u mean to say that someone who is born accidently can't do gr8 things in his life?

It is not his/her mistake.

Why shall one feel guilty & down for whole life due to the mistake done by others?

Those who don't care first & latter even blame on innocent children are most cruel people.

..i would have to say the man who stands on the bridge and doesn't jump..because he knows how bad he feels about the things that have brought him to this point ..and yet he turns to face them..rather than take the easy way out...

Tomb... do you really think that jumping off a bridge is an "easy" decision?
Suicide isn't always an easy way out... I wish people would get off that stereotype.

So what...??

How do it limits one?

Do u mean to say that someone who is born accidently can't do gr8 things in his life?

It is not his/her mistake.

Why shall one feel guilty & down for whole life due to the mistake done by others?

Those who don't care first & latter even blame on innocent children are most cruel people.

Yes, I can say that I have not changed a person's mind; I have given my ear but never changed someone's mind. I would never do that as I am not a trained professional and I would feel horrible if I gave someone the wrong advice. Why do you think you're parents never told you that you were an accident? Probably because they loved you. My parents were angry that I was born and my dad in particular said he should have drowned me at birth because I would amount to nothing. So, what would make me think that I was a planned event? It was sex and nothing more; my parents had no plan to have another child.

I hear ya Navygirl...You are lucky you made it to adulthood, and even though your parents were honest about your being born, truly sad..

Here in New Zealand, babies/toddlers are being beaten black and blue, or to the death weekly, by deadbeat arsewipe parents who didn't want the child in the first place..

People like those crap parents only thought about having sex, no thought was put into creating or wanting a baby..

Sometimes, when you look into the Zero and see it, you can get it- another chance.

What does that mean?

Here in New Zealand, babies/toddlers are being beaten black and blue, or to the death weekly, by deadbeat arsewipe parents who didn't want the child in the first place..

Yep, my parents used me as a punching bag too. If I hadn't ran from my dad the one time he went beserk; he would have beat me in the head with a baseball bat. So, I probably would have been yet another statistic.

Do everyone in this thread realize they affected a change in life just by speaking on this topic.

Look at how many people read through this and responded...

This is a Season of Joy and Giving... Let yourself believe you do matter... ESPECIALLY TO afriQueen22 who started this Topic