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is it a guaranteed death? or are you jumping off that bridge over the creek? i don't understand why people look at death as such a horrible thing. why can't it be just a choice? you either want to be alive or you don't. you either want to go left or you want to go right. i don't know. i don't really look at death as a negative thing i suppose. A poem studied in school days is well in remembrance. When I born only I was crying everyone else around me was happy & smiling. When I died only I was happy everyone else around my dead body was sad & crying. 
There were many great saints in india who ended their life silently without any hesitation when they thought that the task for which they got this human life is completed. Saint dnyaneshwar at his 21 enter into a state of "Samadhi" because he felt that the mission of his life was complete. |
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A poem studied in school days is well in remembrance. When I born only I was crying everyone else around me was happy & smiling. When I died only I was happy everyone else around my dead body was sad & crying.
There were many great saints in india who ended their life silently without any hesitation when they thought that the task for which they got this human life is completed. Saint dnyaneshwar at his 21 enter into a state of "Samadhi" because he felt that the mission of his life was complete. i don't think it even has to be this 'deep.' not everyone has a purpose in life. i'll never forget my sixth grade history teacher telling us how insignificant we are. most won't make any change in this world. i'm not saying that because we won't make a change life isn't worth living, but if our lives don't matter why would our deaths? i'm such a little ray of sunshine. haha. |
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It is not normal behavior to want to jump off a bridge. There are mental issues there and help needed. Has nothing to do with being a coward. Life can be tough to deal with in certain situations, however, there are always solutions and people who want to help. It is quite the acceptable behaviour in certain situations. Like if you are a greeter at a walmart or make movies for general consumption at Hollywood. I've heard of people who jumped into the well coz their parents woulndn't allow them to marry a particular person. I also heard of japanese twins who jumped into a werr, so their kid brother could continue his education,which their parents could only afford if the older girls died (apparently this had been the topic of discussion around the dinner table for quite some time by then.) |
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It is not normal behavior to want to jump off a bridge. There are mental issues there and help needed. Has nothing to do with being a coward. Life can be tough to deal with in certain situations, however, there are always solutions and people who want to help. It is quite the acceptable behaviour in certain situations. Like if you are a greeter at a walmart. 
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A poem studied in school days is well in remembrance. When I born only I was crying everyone else around me was happy & smiling. When I died only I was happy everyone else around my dead body was sad & crying.
There were many great saints in india who ended their life silently without any hesitation when they thought that the task for which they got this human life is completed. Saint dnyaneshwar at his 21 enter into a state of "Samadhi" because he felt that the mission of his life was complete. i don't think it even has to be this 'deep.' not everyone has a purpose in life. i'll never forget my sixth grade history teacher telling us how insignificant we are. most won't make any change in this world. i'm not saying that because we won't make a change life isn't worth living, but if our lives don't matter why would our deaths? i'm such a little ray on sunshine. haha. That is very dark. Everyone's life matters. Not only to that person but also to others and it was very insensitve for your teacher to say that and the fact you remember it still even now shows what an awful thing it was for him to say. We may not think we make a difference but everyone does, whether it is giving birth to a baby or helping someone less fortunate than yourself. There are a lot of sad lonely people out there thanks to the fact that families are scattered so a lot of people don't have extended family around them to help and encourage. A lot of people struggle on which is no wonder there is loads of people into addictive habits or taking meds for depression. I think we have all been there and done that at one time or another - it takes a huge effort to rise out of the abyss and no-one should be ashamed to ask for help to get them through the bad times. |
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Many die too late, and some die too early. Yet strange soundeth the precept: "Die at the right time!" Die at the right time: so teacheth Zarathustra. To be sure, he who never liveth at the right time, how could he ever die at the right time? Would that he might never be born!--Thus do I advise the superfluous ones. But even the superfluous ones make much ado about their death, and even the hollowest nut wanteth to be cracked. Every one regardeth dying as a great matter: but as yet death is not a festival. Not yet have people learned to inaugurate the finest festivals. The consummating death I show unto you, which becometh a stimulus and promise to the living. His death, dieth the consummating one triumphantly, surrounded by hoping and promising ones. Thus should one learn to die; and there should be no festival at which such a dying one doth not consecrate the oaths of the living! -- Friedrich Nietzsche Wow. This makes sense. Aside from the staggering theoretical and philosophical implications, this could save the world: The establishing of a line of profession which advises people which is the right time for them to die. For one thing, a new profession would develop, hungry for manpower, and thus easing the unemployment situation. For one thing, it would hopefully lower the average life span, increase the death rate, and thus solve the world's overpopulation crisis, and all other crises that ensue from it. Lex, you just might have successfully created a workable plan to halt and turn around the world situation of economical doom that we each face these hard times. |
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Many die too late, and some die too early. Yet strange soundeth the precept: "Die at the right time!" Die at the right time: so teacheth Zarathustra. To be sure, he who never liveth at the right time, how could he ever die at the right time? Would that he might never be born!--Thus do I advise the superfluous ones. But even the superfluous ones make much ado about their death, and even the hollowest nut wanteth to be cracked. Every one regardeth dying as a great matter: but as yet death is not a festival. Not yet have people learned to inaugurate the finest festivals. The consummating death I show unto you, which becometh a stimulus and promise to the living. His death, dieth the consummating one triumphantly, surrounded by hoping and promising ones. Thus should one learn to die; and there should be no festival at which such a dying one doth not consecrate the oaths of the living! -- Friedrich Nietzsche Wow. This makes sense. Aside from the staggering theoretical and philosophical implications, this could save the world: The establishing of a line of profession which advises people which is the right time for them to die. For one thing, a new profession would develop, hungry for manpower, and thus easing the unemployment situation. For one thing, it would hopefully lower the average life span, increase the death rate, and thus solve the world's overpopulation crisis, and all other crises that ensue from it. Lex, you just might have successfully created a workable plan to halt and turn around the world situation of economical doom that we each face these hard times. Can I get your autograph NOW, before they start building monuments to you and chit! |
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Glad to see your happy rolling round faces again, Lov2.
And YOUR face, too, on this site. It looks like you weathered well that unstable turbulance that passed over a week or two weeks ago was it. |
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Many die too late, and some die too early. Yet strange soundeth the precept: "Die at the right time!" Die at the right time: so teacheth Zarathustra. To be sure, he who never liveth at the right time, how could he ever die at the right time? Would that he might never be born!--Thus do I advise the superfluous ones. But even the superfluous ones make much ado about their death, and even the hollowest nut wanteth to be cracked. Every one regardeth dying as a great matter: but as yet death is not a festival. Not yet have people learned to inaugurate the finest festivals. The consummating death I show unto you, which becometh a stimulus and promise to the living. His death, dieth the consummating one triumphantly, surrounded by hoping and promising ones. Thus should one learn to die; and there should be no festival at which such a dying one doth not consecrate the oaths of the living! -- Friedrich Nietzsche Wow. This makes sense. Aside from the staggering theoretical and philosophical implications, this could save the world: The establishing of a line of profession which advises people which is the right time for them to die. For one thing, a new profession would develop, hungry for manpower, and thus easing the unemployment situation. For one thing, it would hopefully lower the average life span, increase the death rate, and thus solve the world's overpopulation crisis, and all other crises that ensue from it. Lex, you just might have successfully created a workable plan to halt and turn around the world situation of economical doom that we each face these hard times. Can I get your autograph NOW, before they start building monuments to you and chit! It was done in South Park... a monument of Chit, and the Emmy Award for Excellence (made of solid gold) the show's creators got was gently embedded into the still plastic monument, face first. I don't know about what Lex thinks, but I view him as a leader and a visionary, but the South Park guys as gods. Or a god. A holy duality. If we can do that sort of thing with three gods, why can't we do it with two, nicht wahr? |
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Glad to see your happy rolling round faces again, Lov2. And YOUR face, too, on this site. It looks like you weathered well that unstable turbulance that passed over a week or two weeks ago was it. 
Must not have been THAT important, 
or ive mentally blocked it out. 
I do that, ya know? 
Its very convenient during particularly chitty times. 
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Many die too late, and some die too early. Yet strange soundeth the precept: "Die at the right time!" Die at the right time: so teacheth Zarathustra. To be sure, he who never liveth at the right time, how could he ever die at the right time? Would that he might never be born!--Thus do I advise the superfluous ones. But even the superfluous ones make much ado about their death, and even the hollowest nut wanteth to be cracked. Every one regardeth dying as a great matter: but as yet death is not a festival. Not yet have people learned to inaugurate the finest festivals. The consummating death I show unto you, which becometh a stimulus and promise to the living. His death, dieth the consummating one triumphantly, surrounded by hoping and promising ones. Thus should one learn to die; and there should be no festival at which such a dying one doth not consecrate the oaths of the living! -- Friedrich Nietzsche Wow. This makes sense. Aside from the staggering theoretical and philosophical implications, this could save the world: The establishing of a line of profession which advises people which is the right time for them to die. For one thing, a new profession would develop, hungry for manpower, and thus easing the unemployment situation. For one thing, it would hopefully lower the average life span, increase the death rate, and thus solve the world's overpopulation crisis, and all other crises that ensue from it. Lex, you just might have successfully created a workable plan to halt and turn around the world situation of economical doom that we each face these hard times. Can I get your autograph NOW, before they start building monuments to you and chit! I only do that at book signings. |
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Many die too late, and some die too early. Yet strange soundeth the precept: "Die at the right time!" Die at the right time: so teacheth Zarathustra. To be sure, he who never liveth at the right time, how could he ever die at the right time? Would that he might never be born!--Thus do I advise the superfluous ones. But even the superfluous ones make much ado about their death, and even the hollowest nut wanteth to be cracked. Every one regardeth dying as a great matter: but as yet death is not a festival. Not yet have people learned to inaugurate the finest festivals. The consummating death I show unto you, which becometh a stimulus and promise to the living. His death, dieth the consummating one triumphantly, surrounded by hoping and promising ones. Thus should one learn to die; and there should be no festival at which such a dying one doth not consecrate the oaths of the living! -- Friedrich Nietzsche Wow. This makes sense. Aside from the staggering theoretical and philosophical implications, this could save the world: The establishing of a line of profession which advises people which is the right time for them to die. For one thing, a new profession would develop, hungry for manpower, and thus easing the unemployment situation. For one thing, it would hopefully lower the average life span, increase the death rate, and thus solve the world's overpopulation crisis, and all other crises that ensue from it. Lex, you just might have successfully created a workable plan to halt and turn around the world situation of economical doom that we each face these hard times. Can I get your autograph NOW, before they start building monuments to you and chit! I only do that at book signings. 
Look, hes already got a fat ego! 
Are you sure this is a good thing Andrew. 
I kinda liked good ole humble Lex!
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That is very dark. Everyone's life matters. Not only to that person but also to others and it was very insensitve for your teacher to say that and the fact you remember it still even now shows what an awful thing it was for him to say. We may not think we make a difference but everyone does, whether it is giving birth to a baby or helping someone less fortunate than yourself. There are a lot of sad lonely people out there thanks to the fact that families are scattered so a lot of people don't have extended family around them to help and encourage. A lot of people struggle on which is no wonder there is loads of people into addictive habits or taking meds for depression. I think we have all been there and done that at one time or another - it takes a huge effort to rise out of the abyss and no-one should be ashamed to ask for help to get them through the bad times. well sure your life matters to yourself and those around you. i'm talking about the big picture though. with about seven billion humans, i doubt we're going to remember each one of their names and contributions. we're not a big deal no matter how often people tell us we're amazing. |
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Many die too late, and some die too early. Yet strange soundeth the precept: "Die at the right time!" Die at the right time: so teacheth Zarathustra. To be sure, he who never liveth at the right time, how could he ever die at the right time? Would that he might never be born!--Thus do I advise the superfluous ones. But even the superfluous ones make much ado about their death, and even the hollowest nut wanteth to be cracked. Every one regardeth dying as a great matter: but as yet death is not a festival. Not yet have people learned to inaugurate the finest festivals. The consummating death I show unto you, which becometh a stimulus and promise to the living. His death, dieth the consummating one triumphantly, surrounded by hoping and promising ones. Thus should one learn to die; and there should be no festival at which such a dying one doth not consecrate the oaths of the living! -- Friedrich Nietzsche Wow. This makes sense. Aside from the staggering theoretical and philosophical implications, this could save the world: The establishing of a line of profession which advises people which is the right time for them to die. For one thing, a new profession would develop, hungry for manpower, and thus easing the unemployment situation. For one thing, it would hopefully lower the average life span, increase the death rate, and thus solve the world's overpopulation crisis, and all other crises that ensue from it. Lex, you just might have successfully created a workable plan to halt and turn around the world situation of economical doom that we each face these hard times. Can I get your autograph NOW, before they start building monuments to you and chit! I only do that at book signings.
Look, hes already got a fat ego!
Are you sure this is a good thing Andrew.
I kinda liked good ole humble Lex!
Don't get all bent out of shape, it's just marketing. Or something. |
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Again as I read through the threads.. if there is a terminally ill person who wants to end life due to the pain or whatever...
this is still not normal circumstances, something is impairing his ability to want to live. I do not say it is a choice per say due to the nature of his circumstances. Had this person been healthy he would more than likely not be asking to die. It is a complicated issue. I stand by my opinion. A person in sound mind would not do such things. People thrive to live, it's human nature. |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Thu 12/01/11 01:36 PM
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Having one of those days, and was just wondering: Who is the greater corward, the man who stands on the bridge and jumps, or the one that stands on the bridge but can't? Personally I don't let myself get to the point of dark thoughts. I consider it my responsibility to myself not to go there. So I do things to make sure it doesn't happen. One of them is to hold myself to high integrity and standards and expect nothing from others. Which eliminates all disappointment in life. Second, any thing that happens in my life is a learning lesson so I try to learn all the positive I can from all that happens. Thirdly, I give myself a break and forgive myself for the mistakes I have made so I can love and respect myself. Lastly, I respect others choices in life or death so there is not a stronger one, just one that wasn't ready for that road yet. It always comes down to choice. We all have to make them. |
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Again as I read through the threads.. if there is a terminally ill person who wants to end life due to the pain or whatever... this is still not normal circumstances, something is impairing his ability to want to live. I do not say it is a choice per say due to the nature of his circumstances. Had this person been healthy he would more than likely not be asking to die. It is a complicated issue. I stand by my opinion. A person in sound mind would not do such things. People thrive to live, it's human nature. Perspective is paramount. This said from someone who obviously has never been there. I was there and I was not mentally unwell, I was so physically unwell that my quality of life was almost nil. Quality of life is so important. If the quality drops to a point of bedridden and feeling so badly each day that there can be no joy no matter what. A mentally well person can make a choice to die. It will not make them unhealthy mentally. I did not however have the energy/wherewithall to do it myself and I asked a god I don't believe in to help but to no avail. I would have no regrets about it had it happened then. But I do know that there are worse things than death in life. So it is a choice of a healthy mind also along with being the choice of the mentally unwell too. |
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Again as I read through the threads.. if there is a terminally ill person who wants to end life due to the pain or whatever... this is still not normal circumstances, something is impairing his ability to want to live. I do not say it is a choice per say due to the nature of his circumstances. Had this person been healthy he would more than likely not be asking to die. It is a complicated issue. I stand by my opinion. A person in sound mind would not do such things. People thrive to live, it's human nature. Perspective is paramount. This said from someone who obviously has never been there. I was there and I was not mentally unwell, I was so physically unwell that my quality of life was almost nil. Quality of life is so important. If the quality drops to a point of bedridden and feeling so badly each day that there can be no joy no matter what. A mentally well person can make a choice to die. It will not make them unhealthy mentally. I did not however have the energy/wherewithall to do it myself and I asked a god I don't believe in to help but to no avail. I would have no regrets about it had it happened then. But I do know that there are worse things than death in life. So it is a choice of a healthy mind also along with being the choice of the mentally unwell too. You misunderstood "of sound mind completely." Pain plays into decisions about life. Had you been healthy..as I said.You would not be desiring death. As I said.. people thrive to live. |
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Again as I read through the threads.. if there is a terminally ill person who wants to end life due to the pain or whatever... this is still not normal circumstances, something is impairing his ability to want to live. I do not say it is a choice per say due to the nature of his circumstances. Had this person been healthy he would more than likely not be asking to die. It is a complicated issue. I stand by my opinion. A person in sound mind would not do such things. People thrive to live, it's human nature. Perspective is paramount. This said from someone who obviously has never been there. I was there and I was not mentally unwell, I was so physically unwell that my quality of life was almost nil. Quality of life is so important. If the quality drops to a point of bedridden and feeling so badly each day that there can be no joy no matter what. A mentally well person can make a choice to die. It will not make them unhealthy mentally. I did not however have the energy/wherewithall to do it myself and I asked a god I don't believe in to help but to no avail. I would have no regrets about it had it happened then. But I do know that there are worse things than death in life. So it is a choice of a healthy mind also along with being the choice of the mentally unwell too. You misunderstood "of sound mind completely." Pain plays into decisions about life. Had you been healthy..as I said.You would not be desiring death. As I said.. people thrive to live. I was of sound mind completely. My physical illness was so bad that death was better. Those who have never been there fail to understand. I would never wish that kind of understanding on another though so they could truly see what they do not understand. |
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facing death whether it is running away from suffering or dying for something you believe is an act of bravery
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