God is not the boss of me because I have free will.

Any religious leader who tries to tell you how you should live your life is not the boss of you either.

Free will is free will. There are not strings attached.

uhm, god isthe bos of you,and me, if we dont do what god says and preserv this btfl planethere wil be nothing left but free wil and peopl starving. Gods my bos and itry to suport others and preserve the planet how i can, i rescue animals and sometims even insects and im stil trying to plant food and promote world peace.

God gave me free will. He is Not the boss of me.

:Free will is free will. There are not strings attached.

I like the Course in Miracles take on this:

"Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists."

Its as if Creation is unbreakable but completely malleable at the same time.

You cannot deny the existence of a super natural power. He was the one who gave u "Free Will".

Cannot deny it?

It would need to make itself known before it could even be denied.

But if you do unethical, immoral or evil nasty things with your choices
then you will find that the results will be negative just as
suggested in the Bible and other religious texts inspired by God.

Probably better to turn to the Eastern Mystical picture of Karma for a better understanding of that.

I mean, I'm sure that information is also in the Bible, but it's probably buried behind so much man-made bigotries and chauvinism that it would be difficult to sort out which parts of it contain spiritual truths and which parts are just man-made mumbo jumbo.

I do not know who 'gave' me free will.

I exist. Of that I am certain.

I do not deny that.

There's just as much mumbo jumbo in the eastern texts. No reason to
extol them and deride the same in western texts. It i more about
your personal interpretation ofthe writings than the actual
verbage...revealing in away...

Yes there probably is just as much mumbo jumbo in the eastern texts. But typically for the most part it's far less violent and gross.

The Bible has God cursing women with painful childbirth as a punishment for Eve's fall from grace. The Bible has God condoning and supporting male chauvinism, and even putting prices on slaves where the woman is worth only half as much as a man. The Bible has God accepting blood sacrifices as atonement for sin. The Christian Bible has God sacrificing his own son in a horrible bloody and gory way to appease himself of the sins of mankind. To make matters worse the Christian Bible requires that everyone condone this action on their behalf just to be accepted by this God.

The Bible has God threatening to inflict everlasting punishment on those who do not obtain everlasting life. Jesus himself states that the path to heaven is straight and the gate is narrow and only FEW will make it into the kingdom of God!

That leaves the vast majority of humanity doomed to condemnation in everlasting punishment.

Surely these cannot be the character traits and personality descriptions of supreme creator that is supposedly all-loving, all-nice, and all-benevolent.

So why bother trying to weed through all that superstitious negativity in the hope of finding a few pearls of spiritual truth.

The eastern texts may indeed contain erroneous information, but surely not to this degree of darkness. I think you'll find the pearls much easier in the eastern texts.

When people read the western texts they often come away from them filled to the brim with all these horrible negative ideas of a nasty God who will condemn anyone who doesn't agree with him, and agreeing with him is often taken to mean that a person must agree that the whole disgusting text is the "Word of God".

Therein lies the problem.

When reading the eastern texts it's far easier to realize that these are just the inspired works of God that come to use through the authors. There is no implication that every last verse should be taken to be the actual ideals of any God.

People like to talk about free will, even religious people who let the church tell them what they must do to be saved.

But don't lay claim to free will if you don't use it. What is it really?

It seems to me it comes with the realization of self and life. Like a newly hatched chick out of an egg we look around and we are faced with choices.

Choices about what we will think. believe and feel.
Choices about what we will look at or listen to.
Choices about what we like and don't like.

Up until we become aware of the consequences of our choices and take responsibility we do a lot of drifting. We blame the world, our parents, the government, other people, circumstances, etc. We are victims.

How much do we really consciously use our free will I wonder.

I imagine a God who hopes we will supervise ourselves well

..and helps out now and then when we ask...

And sometimes even when we don't.

I guess it depends upon how one defines 'boss'

When I go to work, I still have free will AND a boss,, they can coincide if I am understanding boss to be

: a person who exercises control or authority; specifically : one who directs or supervises workers

we have the 'free will' to respect/honor the authority that is there

but not honoring it doesnt change its authority


for instance, If my 'boss' asks me to be at work at 7 am every morning or else lose my job, I can choose not to honor his authority(free will), but the consequence will be losing my job


we can exercise free will, even when it comes to authority, but with free will comes the consequences of , as the court would say, 'knowing the difference' between what we should have done and what we decided to do,,,,

Yeh, for sure. That's what we can call good luck.

In that case though, you have a JOB, and what you do has a direct bearing on that, so the consequences are just, make sense and are clearly defined.

The Biblical and religious consequences however don't fit that criteria and have no basis in reality at all. It makes no sense that a loving God would give us free will and then not let us use it in effect. What would be the point?

I don't like having a job with a boss. I would rather work for myself.

We have free choice and free will to work or not, or to be a homeless bum or not. We have a choice to be a slave to material things and work our whole life so we can buy those things and have a nice house and car and other things.

Everyone needs an occupation. Everyone needs something to do to make a living and survive.

Do you really know when your are actually using your will to direct your life? Do your think for yourself?

I used to let my husband do a lot of my thinking for me. Now that I am divorced I have to do all my own thinking and make all my own decisions. That is quite a big change for some people.

Some people really do need guidance. Some need complete freedom in order to bloom.

You will know when your heart is heavy that you are on the wrong path and when your heart is joyful, you are on the right path.

In essence, you are right.

In religious terms, even if Glod is not your boss, He can still punish you. Severely. If you do things against his will, AAAND on the fancy of your free will.

Just like that. Be freely willing whatever you want, but be aware of the consequences. He will punish you cruelly and inhumanely, and if you insist, not in the capacity of being your boss, but only because He can.

(The above did not contain tenets of my philosophy, which rejects both the concept of god (due to my convictons of belief) and the concept of free will (which can be shown not to exist, but not proven).)