True, but maybe the guy thought the same thing: He had free will, and he was the boss, not God with His rules and regulations. He figured screwing children was not very Christian, so he said screw God, I'll screw children.

Some Christians think that they are overregulated by the Ten Commandments. In fact, there used to be twenty-seven commandments, mon commandant, but they struck most of the tangential ones, like "thou shalt not step on sea-urchins" and "thou shalt gurgle with saltwater, and pick your own azz, not thy neighbour's."

Jeanniebeans, I would love to tell you what I think free will is, but I am pooped to the brim, I just moved house, and redecorated, and feel like relaxing now, which for me is basically manufacturing jokes that only I understand.

Talking about free will is fun, but hard work, which I am incapable of doing just now.

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Edit: God is not giving me the energy to write about Free Will. I am trying to free-will some more energy into myself, but without God's help I can't do it all by myself, no matter what amount of my own free will I sacrifice to the success of this project.

The will is willing, but the free is locked up.

I am very tired tonight also. I'm going to bed for a week.

That is the definition of God. God is the embodiment of all things
natural including free will. God is the source of everything we
experience by definition so God created free will.

Did lightening strike this thread yet?

hi guys

If that is true, then as we are all connected, then we are all one, meaning that at my personal core, I am God and my will be done.

Therein is the reason I claim my free will.

It is not given, or created. It belongs to me.

I am that I am.

some ppl got bad experience ---cause bad religious adepts---during their human life, l can understand their negative opinions, but you have to consider this as a simply human affair.

for sure something over our imagination has created everythings l mean the universe the sun the stars-estrellas- the mountains the blù sky the oceans ---------the blondies ..........aaaaaaaaarrrrggg----


but you can bet it ...........no absolutely no!!!! the religious associations congregations as you can all that human religio stuff

hi mg.

Hope things are going well for you.

I got a chuckle from your post and I'm sure you meant to be humor.

But when you stop and think about it, what truly makes it funny is indeed the absurdity that some all-loving benevolent God would actually become angry if he doesn't get to be "The Boss".

When you stop and think about it that mentality actually seems more fitting for a God like Zeus from Greek Mythology.

Yet, we all know that JB is basically addressed the Hebrew Yahweh.

And so that's the God that would need to be tossing lightening bolts around, or turning people into pillars of salt like he did with Lot's wife.

I can just see it now. Jeanniebean turned into a statue of rock salt with the almighty screaming down from a cloud in the sky, "That'll teach you, you rebellious wench!"

Then he proclaims that all women from now on shall suffer from gall stones as punishment for Jeanniebean's insubordination.



I mean, seriously, isn't this in keeping with the character traits of the Biblical God and the way he handles situations?

That last bit sounds like Popeye the Sailor Man!
yuk-yuk-yuk-yuk...



If God is the embodiment and spirit of everything that does not
make you God.



Actually you own nothing. A single life is not even a wisp of
unsettled air to the Universe. You cannot even claim your free
will. It can all be taken away in an instant and will be
when you die.

Then there will be no more ownership. But there has always been
and always will remain God.

Of course it does.
If God is me, then I am God.




If I am part of God, then I am God and I am immortal. I am God. I will never die. That is pantheism. We are the one. You are the one.

Sure I will leave this body, but I will never die.



Yes, I will always remain.

Because I am the one. I am immortal

Maybe Popeye is the God of the Bible.

Isn't there a Brutus in the Bible and Olive Oil too?

Popeye was God realized.

You had these delusions of grandeur a long time?

Saying that since you are a part of nature that makes you God is
a little ridiculous. You may claim that your atoms make up an
infinitesimal part of the universe perhaps. But that makes you as
much God as a squeaky dog toy.



And about as immortal as that squeaky toy too!

um GOD gave you the ten commandments and said keep the sabbath holy.

if you do these things you will live a better life.

you dont think your smarter than GOD.

he has the perfect plan for you.

of course you have free will.

the choice is yours to follow his plan or not.

if you live your life by his word i dont see how it could ever harm

you.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved


http://www.4laws.com/laws/englishkgp/

This makes no sense. According to this story God didn't give his son to the world. On the contrary according to these fables God gave the world to his son.

According to these stories Jesus cannot die. He's an immortal demigod.

Jesus wasn't given to the world, but rather the world was given to Jesus as his toy now. He has been proclaimed to be the king of it and the judge of it.

So the God in these fables didn't give his only begotten son to the world, but rather he gave the world to his only begotten son. Probably as a birthday present.

Obviously this God doesn't really care about humans at all. He was just giving his demigod son a birthday present. And then humans arrogantly confused this to mean that God supposedly loves them.

S1owhand you claim to be pantheist right?

All is one right?

If God is all, and all is one,
then it follows that I am god at my core.

Slowhand said:



It sounds like you have some concept of God you aren't telling us about.

Subconsciously you still believe he is some grand entity who created the world.

You are just a Christian who has rejected Jesus. You know what that means. You are going to hell.

If in fact God is one and all is God, then to realize that I am God can't be called delusions of Grandeur, it is simply realization of what is true.

So you have an atomistic view of pantheism?

That's a physical view of pantheism isn't it?

God is the atoms and we are merely a part of God because we are only made up of a few of God's atoms?

I personally don't view pantheism in that way.

I don't acknowledge the physicality of atoms. Atoms are merely standing waves of vibrations in the spiritual essence of "god".

Just like waves are vibrations on the surface of the sea. The atoms of the waves belong to all the waves. It is the waves that are the individual aspects of consciousness. But in the end they are all the sea.

In this same way every human spirit is the spirit of God.

No single human spirit is the entire ocean of God. But all waves are equally as much the ocean as they are the wave.

When the sea settles and there are no more 'waves' then what's left?

The only entity that ever was. The ocean itself.

We are the ocean of God waving. To point at any particular wave and say that it's not God would be to misunderstand the ocean.

And how could such an oceanic God ever send a particular wave to hell?

That makes no sense at all in the pantheistic picture of God.

All is God. No waves can be sent to hell because there is nowhere else for a wave to wave. All waves return to being the ocean when the waters calm. There is nowhere else for a wave to go but home.

That is Pantheism. All is God. God is the creator and pervade of all that exists. There does not exist anything other than God.

God is the ocean of spiritual eternity. And we are the waves upon that ocean. God cannot cast off a wave without casting off part of herself.

And where could she cast it to anyway if nothing exists other than God herself?

So God is not the boss of you because of free will you say? Well as a kid were your parents not in control of you or in other words the boss of you? If so, how so? Free will doesn't give you the right to do whatever you wish, only gives you the ability.

"Free will" is not about doing what ever you wish.

No free will isn't about DOING what ever you wish. Free will is about being ABLE to do what you wish. You can eat when you want, sleep, you can fight, you can steal, you can give someone a present, you can do anything and everything you wish to do. That is what free will is, free will is what separates us from being puppets, robots, or anything of such. We think, we move, we do as we want and or need. You have the FREEdom to do what you wish with your WILL eg., free will. That is all free will promises us, is the ability to do what we wish with our will. Doesn't rid us of the consequence of the reaction to this. Free will is a gift given to us to allow us to think and do what we wish to do.

Free will is not a gift.