No human has eternal life where the physical body is concerned Cowboy.

All souls have eternal life being part of the one God who has eternal life.

I don't know what you mean by "obedience" because all souls have inherent "free" will if they choose to use it.

All free will promises is a choice. You have the choice to be obedient or the choice not to.

That is not what the will is and that is not what freedom is.

Obedient to what?

Obedience to our lord, our God. And what do you mean "this" is not what the will is? And who said anything about freedom? In the USA we found for our freedom, so with your way of thinking we should be able to do just what ever we wish or else it's not freedom.

There is no "our Lord" unless you are worshiping the alien gods.

I am pantheist. All is God.

So your views are simply your opinion.

I do not obey or worship Lords or alien gods.

I am that I am. My will is God's will.

God's will is my will.

So if someone shared the same beliefs as you and went on a killing spree it would be ok? I mean, their will is God's will and God's will is their will, so it would then be God's will for this person to mass murder thousands for no reason.

I do not judge what is "ok" or not ok.

I have unconditional dispassionate love for all.

It is Gods will that humans do what ever they choose. So, yes.

There are universal laws that will balance negative and positive energies.

There are laws of cause and effect that are in place in this universe. Laws of Karma. They are automatic.

Oh wow good to hear you're ok with mass murdering people :). And how exactly do you know your will is God's will? I'm not questioning your faith or anything of that nature, not fighting or putting your faith down. Just curious how you know your will is God's will. And how it would be ok if someone's will was to murder thousands and it be ok because they feel it was God's will.

Cowboy wrote:

There is absolutely no conditions to reseve God's love. Eternal life is a GIFT offered. Death is the ending point in life less one wishes to receive this gift. What makes us worthy of such a gift? Our obedience of course. Cause without our obedience we wouldn't deserve such a gift. If you disagree, please elaborate on why you feel you deserve eternal life.

Why would you assume that I'm ok with mass murder? I did not say that. I said that I do not judge what is ok and what is not ok for others.

God's love is unconditional and dispassionate. The law of Karma is at work for people who harm other people. I trust in the law. It will work. I have faith in the law to work.

It it is God's will that people be free to do what ever they choose. The law of Karma is in place and it operates automatically. I have faith in the law.

My will is God's will because I am a pantheist and I believe that all is one and that there is only one will, and that is God's will.

Gods will is to exist and to be free and to expand and manifest in all manner of living beings and creatures throughout the universe.

God's will is that all his children evolve and also be free. God allows his manifestations to be self aware and make decisions. That includes allowing them to kill and hurt each other and make mistakes.

God allows all of this. God allows "evil" to exist. That is God's will.

Why would you assume that I'm ok with mass murder? I did not say that. I said that I do not judge what is ok and what is not ok for others.

It is Gods will that humans do what ever they choose. So, yes.

God is not the boss of me because I have free will.

Any religious leader who tries to tell you how you should live your life is not the boss of you either.

Free will is free will. There are not strings attached.

Cowboy wrote:

So if someone shared the same beliefs as you and went on a killing spree it would be ok? I mean, their will is God's will and God's will is their will, so it would then be God's will for this person to mass murder thousands for no reason.

I speak to the issues of Christianity. I'm not the least bit concerned with your personal made-up religious ideas.

Jesus speaks of everlasting punishment for those who do not enter into life eternal.

Matt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


So it is the position of "The Christ" that it will either be everlasting punishment or life eternal.

This is what Christianity represents according to "The Christ".

So the question isn't why I feel that I deserve eternal life, but rather why I feel that it would be totally unrighteous to condemn me to everlasting punishment.

Your personal distortions of what these scriptures have to say hold no interest to me. You are not the spokesperson for these religions even though you have obviously deluded yourself into thinking that you are.

If I were going to ask anyone about the Christian scriptures I would ask the Catholic Pope. And if you look at his official web site you will see that he passionately supports the concept of hell and everlasting punishment for those who do not make it into the kingdom of heaven just as "The Christ" is quoted as having said in these fables.

So you're personal misguided notions of what the fables of Christianity claim are totally irrelevant and meaningless.

What if they had a reason?

You have no choice but to condone mass murder as "God's Will" because according to the Bible God commanded people to do just that including murdering every man, woman, and child. God supposedly even took part in the war by crumbling the walls of the city.

So if you support the Biblical God, then you support mass murder.

Can God and free will co-exist?

I would think with free will there would be no God and with a God there would be no free will.

The only way I could see the two co-existing would be for God to place each human here as an adult and before poofing us onto the planet, carefully explaining the rules of the world. Then you would have free will, the knowledge that there is a God, what God expects from you, and what will happen if you break the rules.

I doubt a God would put this information in the hands of man to spread throughout mankind. Knowing that we would manipulate this knowledge.

Couple questions. If we are all God, pantheism. Then who made us? Where did we come from? There is no absolute scientific fact of this, there is a theory or two. But no solid actual facts. And if we live by the laws of karma, then why does bad things happen to really good people? I mean good people that have been good all their life, never done wrong thing, not even a "white" lie. Why then do bad things happen to them?

You did say that. You said


So with having said that, you're saying it's ok for them to mass murder thousands cause they feel God told them to.

Can God and free will co-exist?

I would think with free will there would be no God and with a God there would be no free will.

The only way I could see the two co-existing would be for God to place each human here as an adult and before poofing us onto the planet, carefully explaining the rules of the world. Then you would have free will, the knowledge that there is a God, what God expects from you, and what will happen if you break the rules.

I doubt a God would put this information in the hands of man to spread throughout mankind. Knowing that we would manipulate this knowledge.

So many questions...

1. We were not "made" or "created" We manifested from the creative force that is love.

2. Bad things happen to people. (I'm not going to make a judgement about whether they are good or bad people here.) Bad things happen to all kinds of people. But bad things happen because people are free to do bad things and this is according to God's will that people be free to chose what they will do.






No.

Having said that, I am saying that it is Gods will that humans do what ever they choose.

I do not question or judge God's will.

Do You?

Neither did I say anything about God telling anyone to do anything.

Mistaken again. Mass murdering and making a judgement are two totally different things or quite a few judges would be in prison right now for sentencing someone to the death penalty. Jesus is the only that has the power to judge anyone now that he has been made flesh. Old testament times we were told to judge our fellow people of this Earth, yes. But again that was before Jesus was made flesh. Now that Jesus has made flesh he has been given the power of judgement amongst us.