I haven't mistaken anything.

You were deviously attempting to coerce me into a situation where I would need to explain why I 'deserve' eternal life.

But that very devious tactic was a ploy by you to ignore the only alternative that is offered in these fables and that is a state of everlasting punishment.

To easily dismiss these utterly hateful fables all I need to do is recognize that to cast me into a state of everlasting punishment would be totally unrighteous thus proving that any God who participated in such an act would himself be totally unrighteous.

As far as everlasting life is concerned, I personally couldn't care less about any supposed 'gift'.

I wouldn't want to spend eternity kissing the *** of an unrighteous Hitler God anyway.

That's my whole point. The God in these fables would necessarily be a totally unrighteous God, and therefore to ask me why I think I deserve everlasting life is a moot point.

I'm not seeking any such 'gift'.

So I have no need to justify why I should "deserve" it.

This is your own underhanded devious tactic.

And it fails miserably.

I'm just showing how the overall mythology is grossly self-contradicting.

It proclaims that its God is righteous, but then demands via ultimatums that it its God is totally unrighteous

Therefore I have exposed these myths to be the underhanded and devious myths of men.

No truly "righteous" God could possibly be connected with them.

I did answer the question.

Who is YOUR god Character?

God and free will can co-exist.

The rules do exist.

Its the law of vibration. (Karma, cause and effect, etc.)

If we pay attention we will learn what will happen if you break the "rules."

If you always think about things you don't want, you will get what you don't want.

He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

What goes around comes around.

Reap what you sew.

Why you speak of like this is some form of debate or one is trying to win over the other? No one's trying to convert anyone, no one's trying to change another's views. Just purely enlightened discussion. Two people sit'n around discussing what they believe. And how would it be unrighteous to cast someone into eternal punishment but totally righteous to give someone eternal life in a paradise? Both reactions would depend on the action of the person in question. Why would it not be righteous? A person is told the reaction to certain actions ahead of time, so again why would it be unrighteous to carry through with it?

Do you think such a person exists?

Do you know what that person thinks about?

Do you have any examples of such an incident occurring other than the mythical story of Jesus?

because then only fools would go to hell. GOD made satan so that you

could know the difference between good and bad.if only bad things

happened to bad people.who in there right mind would be bad.and only

good things would happen to good people.this is how i used to

think.brainwashed was i.

i heard a noise, helped a lady up, and walked her home, come home

went to sleep, woke up the next day, my windows in my truck were

shot out.

thats karma




later i found out the insurance co would replace them for $100

deduct




i found out the reason for all the trouble in the world everything

is run by satanists.the stores you shop in. the products you buy.

your leaders and heros. your movie stars and musicians. your

churches and holidays. almost everything.

I don't believe you. You had already proclaimed to be a "Servant of your Lord supposedly spreading his word to save the souls of others".

Now you are proclaiming to just be exchanging views. So at best you are confused yourself in your own intentions, at worst you are actually lying about your agenda.



No one has told me anything ahead of time.

All I see are extremely confused superstitious people worshiping ancient rumors that proclaim that our creator is a male-chauvinistic pig who curses women with painful childbirth as a form of punishment for what one particular woman had supposedly done.

That, in and of itself right there, is sufficient to totally dismiss these fables as being totally unrighteous.

There mere fact these ancient hateful fables cause people like you to go around suggesting to people that this kind of behavior constitutes, righteousness, it itself scary.

All the more reason to renounce them.

That is still nevertheless my belief that I am sharing. I'm not trying to change your mind. If you wish to do so, then so be it done. It will be done on your behalf, not specifically my intentions. I am merely here to tell of the good news, to express my faith on the matter. Not to argue, not to debate, not to change your beliefs. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, then it doesn't lol. We're here sharing our beliefs, we're witnessing to one another the faith we possess.



Oh but you have been told, a good source is a thing people call the bible. It's got lots of pages with knowledge on it. It is you that wishes to discard this knowledge, it is you that wishes to brush it off as it's fiction. You have been told, you're just refusing to listen and or hear what is being said. Again, not trying to change your views, only pointing out that you have been told when you said you have not been.

of course the bible makes no sense to pagans. faith holds the key. the

way it is written you will never understand it without faith.

of course were not trying to convert you only you can do that and

there seems to be less people that believe in GOD than ever before in

my lifetime.were here to spread the word of GOD so that people that

want to understand.how can you worship false pagan gods that do

nothing for you? yet you denounce GOD who gives us eternal life. hes

23 your 62 so give him a break. he was just brainwashed in school for

13 years and countless hours of tv and movies.it didnt make sense what

they were teaching in school and now i see why.

I have more faith than Cowboy.

I have faith in the laws of Karma and cause and effect.

He questions the reasons for bad things happening to good people.

He lacks faith in God.

But if there would be, science fictionally theorizing here, an omnipotent god as portrayed in the bible and qaran then there is not free will in that environment.

They will even tell you, the religious from these religions, that god has his hand in everything that happens no matter if it is good or bad. He decides who dies even in the event of a suicide.

But I agree with you that noone gets to tell me what to do unless I allow them to. And allow the laws of the land to tell me what I can and can't do. Outside of that I am a free spirit on the loose and lovin it!!!!

Well, that doesn't take much. Based on the views he posts he has no faith in God at all.

I lack nothing nor do I question anything. I already know why bad things happen to good people. It's not "punishment" or anything a long those lines. It's satan playing games trying to put doubt in peoples minds, trying to get them to think along the lines of "If there was a God, then why?" or "if God loved me, then why'd he allow..." and so forth. I know not if you have more faith then me, nor do I rightly care. Why's everyone make everything a competition or comparison on who's is better? You have great faith in Karma, great. I'm absolutely glad you do :D. Again, not here to change anyone's faith or anything. Just purely enlightened discussion.

Please, do tell on how you get this. I'm curious.

Then why did you ask me why bad things happen to good people if you already believe that Satan is responsible?

Because I wanted to know your take on it, how Karma fit into it. Karma = do good things and good things come upon you, do bad things and bad things come upon you as well, ect ect. So was curious on your take on bad things happening to good people.

Sometimes we can't expect to know all of the reasons for things and that is where faith comes in. My faith is that the reason has to do with the laws in place.

I trust in the law of the one.

True, but no necessarily. Faith = belief in the unseen. If something is set in a "law" eg., the laws of Karma. Then they have to abide by those laws or it just wouldn't work out. So therefore with Karma, absolutely no bad thing would happen to a really good person who has never done anything wrong in their life. And if it did, then again Karma wouldn't work. So please, give me the reason bad things happen to absolutely good people who never do wrong in their life, or at least haven't done much, but yet all kinds of tragedy happens in their life.

No Cowboy, you totally miss the point. This isn't about me.

This is about how evil and unrighteous the Biblical God would necessary have to be if the bible were indeed true.

Was Eve told ahead of time that her actions would be used as an excuse for God to curse billions of women for thousands of years?

No she wasn't. Therefore these fables portray a totally unreasonable and unrighteous God. And even if God had explained this to Eve in advance, that still wouldn't justify his cursing of billions of other women who had nothing to do with Eve's choices.

In fact, this thread is about FREE WILL is it not?

Well, the fact that these fable have their sick demented God cursing billions of women for something that they didn't even personally do would already be a total violation of their personal FREE WILL.

They are being punished for something they didn't even do.

These stories that you refer to as a "Good Source" are not "good" at all. They are totally sick and demented fables. It is unfortunate that you have been misguided into believing that these perverted fables represent "righteousness".

People like you are extremely scary.

People like you are the type of people who would write something like that Malleus Maleficarum to justify torturing and burning women alive on stakes as 'witches' in Jesus' name simply because you have been convinced by fables that it is the 'righteous' thing to do.

People like you are are the type of people who could start a holy war in the name of Christ as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and easily murder all the lowly "heathens" who deny the Lord. Simply because you believe that these sick demented fables are a righteous reason to murder people. The people have failed to live up to the Will of the God in these fables, and therefore they have failed to pass the judgment of God according to you. So these fables have you believing that their condemnation if "righteous".

People like you are the type of people who could create a holocaust murdering those who deny Christ like Hitler did, and proclaim that this is clearly the Will of God and is totally righteous in God's eyes, because these sick demented fables suggest this.

People like you are the type of people who might fly planes into buildings killing thousands of people proclaiming that the entire nation those people belong to is a heathen nation of infidels and therefore destroying them is the righteous thing to do.

As soon as you start justifying all the hideous behaviors that is attributed to the biblical God as being 'righteous behaviors', then you yourself become an extremely dangerous person. Who knows what activities you might condone or participate in in the name of 'righteousness' simply because the biblical fables have convinced you that some sick demented God condones these kinds of hideous behaviors in the name of "righteousness".

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This is precisely what I mean about how dangerous these fables are.

You are arguing that all these hideous unjustifiable acts are indeed justified as being "righteous" simply because they are in these sick demented fables that you have been convinced is an example of the behavior of "God".

No. They are not condoned by any "God". You need to get that out of your head right away. These fables represent the sick demented totally unrighteous superstitions, bigotries, and male-chauvinism of sick mortal men.

These fables are the produce of a sick society.

They are not the 'righteous' behavior of any God.

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This isn't about me Cowboy.

It's about a collection of sick demented unrighteous fables that are being held up as the WILL of God.

My faith lies in the law itself.
The cause is the unseen part.

It is not a written law like ones you can obey or disobey. It is like the law of gravity.



The Principle of Cause and Effect (KARMA)

“Every Cause has its Effect; every Effect has its Cause; everything happens according to Law; Chance is but a name for Law not recognized; there are many planes of causation, but nothing escapes the Law.”–The Kybalion

there is a cause for every effect and an effect from every Cause. “Everything Happens according to Law”.

Nothing ever happens by chance and there are no coincidences. There exist various planes of Cause and Effect, with the higher planes dominating the lower planes, yet, nothing ever entirely escapes the Law.