I'm still waiting for any response my post of the official report on why the towers fell. If it is not the official report printed in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE, in press 9/13/01, then I am still waiting for someone to post a link to the official report.

Metalwing's own peer review was critical of the original report and he seemed to agree (with me) that it was flawed.

But now all I get is silence.

From everyone who thinks the debunker show, which is the topic of this thread, was actually successful at debunking anything, good luck next time.

Larry was saying that he told the firefighters to pull out of the
building because it looked like it was going to collapse. That is
what "pull" the building meant.

Here are the official reports with references.

http://architecture.about.com/od/disastersandcollapses/a/twintowerfall.htm

Why the World Trade Center Towers Fell on September 11
Engineers tell why the World Trade Center twin towers collapsed

By Jackie Craven, About.com Guide

In the years since September 11, 2001 terrorist attack in New York City, engineers and other experts have been studying the collapse of the World Trade Center towers. By examining the collapse step-by-step, experts are learning how buildings fail, and discovering ways we can build stronger structures.

What Caused the Twin Towers to Fall?
1. Impact from the Terrorist Planes
When Boeing jets piloted by terrorists struck the Twin Towers, some 10,000 gallons (38 kiloliters) of jet fuel fed an enormous fireball. But, the impact of the planes and the burst of flames did not make the Towers collapse right away. Like most buildings, the Twin Towers had redundant design. The term redundant design means that when one system fails, another carries the load. Each of the Twin Towers had 244 columns around a central core that housed the elevators, stairwells, mechanical systems, and utilities. When some columns were damaged, others could still support the building.

2. Heat from the Fires
The sprinkler system was damaged by the impact of the planes. But even if the sprinklers had been working, they could not have maintained enough pressure to stop the fire. Fed by the remaining jet fuel, the heat became intense.

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F. This is not hot enough to melt structural steel. However, engineers say that for the World Trade Center towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength. Steel will lose about half its strength at 1,200 degrees F. The steel will also become distorted when heat is not a uniform temperature.

3. Collapsing Floors
Most fires start in one area and then spread. The fire from the terrorist planes covered the area of an entire floor almost instantly. As the weakened floors began to collapse, they pancaked. This means that floors crashed down on floors with increasing weight and momentum, crushing each successive floor below. With the weight of the plunging floors building force, the exterior walls buckled.

You obviously work for them.

That building was demolished on purpose. There is no way it could have fallen, especially like that, other than having been demolished on purpose. Didn't you watch the video? Didn't you see the explosives on the right going down the building? They mark them with read. They are circled. Then watch that area, they are explosions in those spots.

If the firemen thought it was going to fall, there is no way they would have been inside of it. In fact, they were clear of the building more than an hour before it was demolished.

"They made the decision to pull" does not mean evacuate. That is a common term for demolish. It was used when they were cleaning up the remains of building #6.

You may as well give up trying to defend those mass murderers. It ain't gonna fly.

Also the link you posted is not the official report that was published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE that Metalwing was referring to. I don't know what report that was, but it was done YEARS later.

Try again.

When I see the still photos of the colalapse one cant help but notice how much material is blown outwards and not downwards. Again I say when steel weakens it is more like soft spaggeti as it twists and bends rather than suddenly snaps. I should know been working with hot steel my whole life in one way or another.

oh, my bad... the thousands of workers were all under Cheney's spell....

yea, there's no way that could be air pressure blowing out...

Everything was quite controlled. Fema headquarters of operations were set up the day before it even happened, so they knew in advance about it. That is a fact... or will you say it was coincidence?

People working there just pretty much probably followed orders from their superiors as usual. Its business as usual in top secret operations like that. People know better than to ask too many questions. Those who do don't last very long.

Nope. Blowing out in all the right places for demolition. Highly unlikely.

not trying to be a smartazz here, but just how do you know these things that you say? is there some kind of secret knowledge that i'm missing out on? I mean, everything fits so well, in your universe, and things seem to fit pretty well in mine to. i would like to know where you get your information, being top secret and all...

I have spent a good 5- 10 years reading everything possible about stuff like this. If you don't want to believe it I don't care. I believe it. The information is there to be had and studied. I have learned how to sort the bull crap from the propaganda quite well.

I waste too much time trying to inform people who won't even follow my links or think for themselves. They just want to wear their rose colored glasses. I don't freaking care any more. It will probably all be known in the next two years. Just don't go to sleep.

Yes, that is exactly what it means...

They made the decision to pull (the firefighters from the building).
Watch the whole interview again and you will see that is what they
are talking about...exactly. There is no evidence whatsoever of a
demolition.

sleeping is good, i like sleeping....

Well if you want to believe that, it is your business. I don't buy it for a second. Not one second. The word "pull" was used in reference to taking down the rest of building #6 and that is what it meant. Take it down. That is on tape. I placed a link to that somewhere in this thread, find it yourself if you are interested. I don't care what you believe anymore. You are in La La land anyway.

OK - the link I posted had all the references from several reports.

Here they are again - with references. See the references this time.
They have links in this article to all the reports and they all say
that the planes and terrorists alone which brought the towers down
and that there is no evidence whatsoever for any other explanation.



http://architecture.about.com/od/disastersandcollapses/a/twintowerfall.htm

Why the World Trade Center Towers Fell on September 11
Engineers tell why the World Trade Center twin towers collapsed

By Jackie Craven, About.com Guide

In the years since September 11, 2001 terrorist attack in New York City, engineers and other experts have been studying the collapse of the World Trade Center towers. By examining the collapse step-by-step, experts are learning how buildings fail, and discovering ways we can build stronger structures.

What Caused the Twin Towers to Fall?
1. Impact from the Terrorist Planes
When Boeing jets piloted by terrorists struck the Twin Towers, some 10,000 gallons (38 kiloliters) of jet fuel fed an enormous fireball. But, the impact of the planes and the burst of flames did not make the Towers collapse right away. Like most buildings, the Twin Towers had redundant design. The term redundant design means that when one system fails, another carries the load. Each of the Twin Towers had 244 columns around a central core that housed the elevators, stairwells, mechanical systems, and utilities. When some columns were damaged, others could still support the building.

2. Heat from the Fires
The sprinkler system was damaged by the impact of the planes. But even if the sprinklers had been working, they could not have maintained enough pressure to stop the fire. Fed by the remaining jet fuel, the heat became intense.

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F. This is not hot enough to melt structural steel. However, engineers say that for the World Trade Center towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength. Steel will lose about half its strength at 1,200 degrees F. The steel will also become distorted when heat is not a uniform temperature.

3. Collapsing Floors
Most fires start in one area and then spread. The fire from the terrorist planes covered the area of an entire floor almost instantly. As the weakened floors began to collapse, they pancaked. This means that floors crashed down on floors with increasing weight and momentum, crushing each successive floor below. With the weight of the plunging floors building force, the exterior walls buckled.

Here is an entire website devoted to the collapse of building #7

http://wtc7.net/index.html

I doubt seriously all the steel struts and supports could possibly fail at the exact same tenth of a second. I will never buy it.

But say it did, one would think such a horrible structeral failure would at the verry least warrent a seriouse evaluation of the building codes.

One would have a hard time getting the jet fuel to burn at 1500 degrees in a non controled environment. If anything the fires were starved for air in an enclosed area.

the higher end of the temp scale would probably involve the fuel being vaporized and mixed with air in a controled environment.

basicly it was an open air burn, hardly the stuff to seriously weaken massive steel beams and supports.

Seriously? About.com?

That is not an official report or even close to a government website.
If I had a dollar for every time they used the word "terrorist" or "terrorist attack" I would go shopping.

i don't usually read links posted here but i'll make an exception and look at anything you've read that leads you to BELIEVE that fema was all set up the day before the attack happened. can't say i'll find the source credible or not but i'll give it a fair reading.

It was allegedly a statement made by FEMA spokesman Tom Kenny to Dan Rather on Wednesday, September 12th, 2001. In this interview, Kenney states that FEMA was deployed to New York on Monday night, September 10th, to be ready to go into action on Tuesday morning, September 11th.

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OF COURSE FEMA DENIES THEY WERE THERE a day early BUT they don't deny that Kenny actually said that, --- they say he "misspoke."

yeh right...Of course he did.....

So they don't deny he said that to Dan Rather.

I guess its all about who you want to believe... again.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has said it did not have urban search and rescue teams in place in New York City prior to the Sept. 11 attacks, contrary to an Internet-based rumor alleging otherwise.

WorldNetDaily readers began inquiring whether the government had prior knowledge of the terror attacks a few weeks after they occurred, citing a CBS News interview between anchorman Dan Rather and a FEMA-sponsored search and rescue team spokesman named Tom Kenney.

In the interview, Kenney misspoke when he said he and his team arrived in New York City and were "finally on the ground" and deployed by "Monday night. …" If accurate, that would have meant the team arrived Sept. 10 – the night before the attacks.

The attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and on the Pentagon came the next day – Tuesday.

According to a spokesman in the office of Vito Pizzi, who works in FEMA's federal coordination office, a total of 16 teams were put on alert or activated Sept. 11. Two of those teams were sent in to Ground Zero the next day, Sept. 12.

FEMA officials said Kenney, in the heat of the moment, misstated his team's arrival date. Kenney could not be reached for comment.

In all, FEMA has 22 teams nationwide.


Read more: FEMA: No prior knowledge
of 9-11h

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=11672#ixzz1UUjL0cdy


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My version at "what really happened:" The source you will probably not accept because you don't agree with it....

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fematape.html

If you search yourself you may find some Dan Rather videos about it.
But the link to the video on the above site has been removed.


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However, on the recording Kenney is complaining about not getting full access to the site until "today". Kenney talks about a Monday, a Tuesday, and "today". That's three days.

If the above recording (not found) was made on Wednesday, September 12th as claimed, then the explanation that Kenney was simply confused about the days doesn't work, because there is one more day than can be accounted for.

Some news sources went to great lengths to dismiss Kenney's remarks...]another site:

http://factsnotfairies.blogspot.com/2008/04/fema-arrive-in-new-york-night-before.html

What Kenny actually said:

Kenney: "We're currently one of the first teams that was deployed to support the city of New York for this disaster. We arrived on late Monday night, and went into action on Tuesday morning. And not until today did we get a full opportunity to work the entire site."