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Topic: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Get Destroyed
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Sat 08/06/11 04:56 PM

People who are so fired up and mad about alternate theories about what happened on 9-11 react with such an attitude that they cannot be reasoned with. They don't even want to listen.

They just appear to want to believe that our government has everything under control and they haven't done anything at all wrong. Even if an investigation team had them dead to rights people don't want to listen.

I am saying that there is something wrong. There is something wrong here. I am not trying to prove some nutty bogus disinformation conspiracy theory. I am trying to tell people that there is something wrong. You should not plug your ears and cover your eyes. The government is not going to be there for you when you need them the most.

Open your eyes and look around. That is all I am saying.




laugh

Nobody is plugging their ears or closing their eyes!

We are just all reading the exhaustive and scientifically accurate
info like the Popular Mechanics investigation etc. and noting that
it is very clear to see that their analyses are correct!

laugh

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Sat 08/06/11 05:03 PM


People who are so fired up and mad about alternate theories about what happened on 9-11 react with such an attitude that they cannot be reasoned with. They don't even want to listen.

They just appear to want to believe that our government has everything under control and they haven't done anything at all wrong. Even if an investigation team had them dead to rights people don't want to listen.

I am saying that there is something wrong. There is something wrong here. I am not trying to prove some nutty bogus disinformation conspiracy theory. I am trying to tell people that there is something wrong. You should not plug your ears and cover your eyes. The government is not going to be there for you when you need them the most.

Open your eyes and look around. That is all I am saying.




laugh

Nobody is plugging their ears or closing their eyes!

We are just all reading the exhaustive and scientifically accurate
info like the Popular Mechanics investigation etc. and noting that
it is very clear to see that their analyses are correct!

laugh


No, your'e not.

You are not doing that.

What you are doing is just taking the official word for it. Probably watched it on CNN. laugh laugh :tongue:

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Sat 08/06/11 05:06 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 08/06/11 05:07 PM
Here is the official report with PICTURES!
Have you really read that? Huh? huh

http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/405.pdf

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Sat 08/06/11 06:08 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 08/06/11 06:09 PM
Here is what is unbelievable for me.

Three buildings. All owned by the same person. Two of them hit by an airplane, one of them, not hit.

If only one building had collapsed that might be believable. Maybe even two buildings collapsing might have been believable. But all three buildings collapsed like clockwork demolitions. They all looked like a classic demolition, all owned by the same person/company.

Video of the building owner ordering building #7 to be pulled.

Top Top secret blocking the investigation, headed by FEMA.

Videos of the first plane hitting the tower, was filmed from a building across town. I saw that video. You could see the plane approaching and flying low, heading for the tower. Who set up and filmed that? They had to have known the time and place it was going to happen to have done that.

Five dancing Israeli's dressed like Arabs filming the event. Three of them appeared on television and said that they were there to "document the event."

These are facts. Glaring facts.

There is something wrong.

The official report on why the tower fell... heck even Metalwing said it was flawed...

You think I'm crazy?

I think you are in denial.

drinker May the truth be known before it bites you in the butt.






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Sat 08/06/11 07:45 PM


laugh

Nobody is plugging their ears or closing their eyes!

We are just all reading the exhaustive and scientifically accurate
info like the Popular Mechanics investigation etc. and noting that
it is very clear to see that their analyses are correct!

laugh


yes they disproved the FEMA camps that exist too lol

i guess FEMA coffins dont exist either

jb

these people are ether getting paid to post propaganda nwo crap

here or they are truly very stupid

probably because they think people are crazy for not drinking the

healthy fluoride in the water and have very few brain cells left.


Popular Mechanics investigation these people have lied for them

before and are in on it.they will print anything they say to

ive asked them several times why there is an owl on all dollar bills

they wont answer me and probably think its off topic but its not.

they dont know or are hiding from the evidence.

they cant get it and are wasting your time.or they are being paid.

obama hired 50,000 people to censer the internet. i belong to other

groups and they do the same thing there.


so last time why is there an owl on the dollar bill ??????????

Chazster's photo
Sat 08/06/11 08:17 PM

Here is what is unbelievable for me.

Three buildings. All owned by the same person. Two of them hit by an airplane, one of them, not hit.

If only one building had collapsed that might be believable. Maybe even two buildings collapsing might have been believable. But all three buildings collapsed like clockwork demolitions. They all looked like a classic demolition, all owned by the same person/company.

Video of the building owner ordering building #7 to be pulled.

Top Top secret blocking the investigation, headed by FEMA.

Videos of the first plane hitting the tower, was filmed from a building across town. I saw that video. You could see the plane approaching and flying low, heading for the tower. Who set up and filmed that? They had to have known the time and place it was going to happen to have done that.

Five dancing Israeli's dressed like Arabs filming the event. Three of them appeared on television and said that they were there to "document the event."

These are facts. Glaring facts.

There is something wrong.

The official report on why the tower fell... heck even Metalwing said it was flawed...

You think I'm crazy?

I think you are in denial.

drinker May the truth be known before it bites you in the butt.








Did you watch the video that this tread is about? It explains why building 7 fell. It wasn't built like a sky scraper and didn't have a deep foundation. It was also extensively damaged by the collapse of the other buildings I believe on its south side and burned for 8 hours possibly fed by diesel fuel.

Its not like it was buildings that were not near each other owned by the same person. It was the WTC. Didn't 1 guy own all 7 buildings?

s1owhand's photo
Sat 08/06/11 08:27 PM
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Sat 08/06/11 08:40 PM
Building 7 (also known as WTC 7) was a 47-story skyscraper that stood on the block immediately north of the block that contained the rest of the World Trade Center complex. Building 7 was shrouded in secrecy. Then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani had a bunker on the 23rd floor.

Fires


Photographs of Building 7 prior to its collapse show only small areas of fire.
Building 7 was not hit by any aircraft, and apparently did not suffer massive damage from the violent destruction of either of the Twin Towers. Small fires were observed in a few different parts of the building prior to its "collapse." Most of the fires were barely visible, and were not hot enough to cause window breakage, at least on the north side of the tower, of which there are photos shortly before the collapse. The largest observed fires were the ones visible on the southeast wall shown in the photograph.

Evacuation

Building 7 was supposedly evacuated around 9 AM. The area around the building was evacuated in the hour before the collapse. Photographer Tom Franklin, who took the famous photograph of firemen raising the American flag, said:

Firemen evacuated the area as they prepared for the collapse of Building Seven. 1
There are no photographs that show large fires in Building 7. Tom Franklin did not take any photos of the building before heeding firemen's orders to evacuate the area. Had there been large fires, one would expect that the professional photographer would have documented them.

Destruction

Building 7 underwent a total structural collapse at 5:20 PM. 2 Although there were few people in the area to witness its destruction, several videos captured the event. Like the collapses of the Twin Towers, the collapse of Building 7 commenced suddenly and was over in seconds. At first the penthouse, which rests on central columns, began to drop. Within a second the entire building began to drop as a whole, falling into its footprint in a precisely vertical fashion. The destruction of Building 7, which is not explained by the official theory, looked exactly like a standard controlled demolition.


In under seven seconds Building 7 was transformed from a skyscraper to a tidy rubble pile.
It is commonly believed that "ancillary damage" from the collapses of the Twin Towers led to the collapse of WTC 7. In fact Building 7 was separated from the North Tower by Building 6 and Vesey Street. A photograph of its north facade taken in the afternoon shows isolated small fires, and not even a single window was broken.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Sat 08/06/11 08:59 PM
I haven't totally made up my mind on the issue, but so far the coincidence theorists sound less credible than the conspiracy theorists. :wink:

s1owhand's photo
Sat 08/06/11 09:06 PM
It was OBVIOUSLY an evil plot to demolish the towers with explosives
and collect the insurance money. For a long time we were puzzled about
the planes flying into the buildings though.

Now we are pretty sure that was just a coincidence or that
Al-Qaida was in on it probably the CIA too.

laugh laugh laugh

creativesoul's photo
Sat 08/06/11 09:09 PM
For Pete's sake, what do these people think?

I watched it unveil for months watching good news sources, and lots of 'em.

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Sat 08/06/11 09:50 PM
Business as usual.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 08/06/11 09:58 PM
You can hear Mohammad Atta taking control of the plane that hit the first tower here.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta

Lpdon's photo
Sat 08/06/11 10:05 PM

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Sat 08/06/11 11:30 PM

It was OBVIOUSLY an evil plot to demolish the towers with explosives
and collect the insurance money. For a long time we were puzzled about
the planes flying into the buildings though.

Now we are pretty sure that was just a coincidence or that
Al-Qaida was in on it probably the CIA too.

laugh laugh laugh



Everything is always about money.

Absolutely everything. Its always about money and power.

The plan to fly planes into tall buildings has been in the works for years. We have had plenty of warnings.


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Sun 08/07/11 05:37 AM
yes as usual they collect tons of money but we have lost or freedom due to the patriot act.now you have to go through body scanners.they want to put these everywhere now. military checkpoints are poping up around the country.they are putting facial recognition cameras up everywhere we have about 500 more this summer locally and the cameras use software not hardware so they can use it on your cameras in your local stores.

the patriot act and patriot act 2 lets them hold american citizens

with out proof indefinitely

the homegrown terrorist is next and it is you

this was their evil agenda all along


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Sun 08/07/11 08:45 AM

so last time why is there an owl on the dollar bill ??????????

here is one explanation of the dollar bill
http://edj.net/think/dollarowl.html

s1owhand's photo
Sun 08/07/11 09:23 AM


It was OBVIOUSLY an evil plot to demolish the towers with explosives
and collect the insurance money. For a long time we were puzzled about
the planes flying into the buildings though.

Now we are pretty sure that was just a coincidence or that
Al-Qaida was in on it probably the CIA too.

laugh laugh laugh



Everything is always about money.

Absolutely everything. Its always about money and power.

The plan to fly planes into tall buildings has been in the works for years. We have had plenty of warnings.


laugh

Correction. Everything is about money for you.

If it were true generally then people wouldn't marry for love,
or work for low wages for good causes or contribute to charities
etc.

The terrorists of Al-Qaida are not in it for the money.
The firefighers and rescue workers and people who cleaned
up the terrorist destroyed WTC towers were not doing it for
the money.

Obama isn't in it for the money. It's a paranoid fantasy.
Bin Laden may have been planning an air attack for years
but there is absolutely no evidence at all that our Govt
was involved in terrorizing US citizens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxX-QOV9tI&ob=av3e

We're paying with love tonight...

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Sun 08/07/11 10:25 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 08/07/11 10:36 AM



It was OBVIOUSLY an evil plot to demolish the towers with explosives
and collect the insurance money. For a long time we were puzzled about
the planes flying into the buildings though.

Now we are pretty sure that was just a coincidence or that
Al-Qaida was in on it probably the CIA too.

laugh laugh laugh



Everything is always about money.

Absolutely everything. Its always about money and power.

The plan to fly planes into tall buildings has been in the works for years. We have had plenty of warnings.


laugh

Correction. Everything is about money for you.

If it were true generally then people wouldn't marry for love,
or work for low wages for good causes or contribute to charities
etc.

The terrorists of Al-Qaida are not in it for the money.
The firefighers and rescue workers and people who cleaned
up the terrorist destroyed WTC towers were not doing it for
the money.

Obama isn't in it for the money. It's a paranoid fantasy.
Bin Laden may have been planning an air attack for years
but there is absolutely no evidence at all that our Govt
was involved in terrorizing US citizens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxX-QOV9tI&ob=av3e

We're paying with love tonight...



S1owhand when I say everything is about money and power I'm talking about the way the world works and why there is war and terrorism.

The reason its about money and power is because its still about the survival of the species or the survival of the family.

The greedy monsters in power only care about themselves and their families. They don't care about anyone else.

They believe that having money and power and control of the world will insure their survival. So if you look beyond money and power, people strive to survive and they fear death and destruction. In fearing death and destruction they create what they fear.

They create death and destruction for others because they fear it for themselves. They know they are hated, and they know they have enemies. They created them. They fear their enemies.

In creating death and destruction for others, they are ruthless and cold. They become hated around the world and known for their deeds.

They hide behind their wealth and charities. They pretend to be something they are not.

They are greedy, cruel monsters and they are terrified that they will be exposed. They do everything they can to cover up the truth of their crimes and their deeds.

They are responsible for mass murders, bribery, fraud, extortion, etc.

I am not talking about Osama Bin Laden either. He was fighting for his religious beliefs. Stupid religious beliefs that were invented by someone else. People are fighting and dying for fake religions and they are being manipulated, and bought and sold.

They are being trained to kill each other and the powers that be will sell weapons to both sides and make a fortune.






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Sun 08/07/11 11:04 AM

I'm still waiting for metalwing to post a link to the official report on 9-11 if he thinks that the one I posted is not the official report printed in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE, in press 9/13/01.

His own peer review was critical of the original report and he seemed to agree (with me) that it was flawed.

But now all I get is silence. Oh that's right, he doesn't think I know enough about the subject to even post it or link to it.

I according to him I am just so ignorant I shouldn't even be talking about it. But he is the one who brought subject up in the first place!

That's why I looked it up and posted it.



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Metalwing you mentioned this---

He is taking a simplified approach by only analyzing the columns under projected thermal loading without paying attention to the truss stability.


But who exactly are you talking about?



The author. His basic assumption is flawed as is pointed out by the colored comments ... and as I pointed out ... and as I have pointed out in several threads about this subject over the past couple of threads while you and others post ridiculous theories about explosives, etc.


The author of the article is Zdenˇek P. Baˇzant? and and Yong Zhou.

--huh

He is the one who wrote the "official report" that you mentioned in the first place --and that was published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE, in press 9/13/01, Expanded 9/22/01, Appendices 9/28/01

The title is: Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?—Simple
Analysis.

If this is not the ASCE article you were referring to, then please provide a link to the right one.

Because if this is the official ASCE article then you are in agreement with me.

There is something wrong with this report. I'm not a structural engineer and I read it, and I can see that there is something wrong with it.

The trusses failed first, as would be expected, which caused the columns to fail. The paper you mention is harping about the columns could have failed on their own, which is true, but really doesn't have anything to do with why the building actually fell.


I agree.
Well, that's your official report you were talking about. If I am wrong, then please provide a link to the official ASCE article you were referring to.

The heat from the burning jet fuel was easily adequate to bring the building down if the jet itself had done no impact damage. However, in the original report, the ASCE concluded that the combination of impact and heat caused the failure.


I gave you a link to the official article printed in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE, and that is the only one I know about.

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf


But all you really want to do is to try to prove absurd conspiracy theories and insult anyone who actually understands what happened, so why bother?


That is a ridiculous personal assumption about me, and it is not true.

How have I insulted anyone? I don't believe anyone on this dating site actually understands what happened.

You do not understand this topic, the meaning of these papers, or the science behind them adequately to discuss them intelligently.


And you think you do?

You don't seem to understand that this article that you are so critical of IS the official ASCE report as far as I can tell and find.

If it isn't and if you have actually read the official report please provide your link. This one is the only one all I could find. And you are criticizing it yourself.

"His basic assumption is flawed as is pointed out by the colored comments

I agree. The colored comments were written by the investigators you are so dead set on trying to call them "nuts."

I'm glad you agree with the nuts. :wink:

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf


A simple search will give you the peer review process of the ASCE.


I haven't had any luck except for the links I provided here.

A course in time dependent thermal shear modulus modification to fireproofed building systems would be helpful... if it existed. Old engineers and material scientists usually model the imagined or tested systems on finite element to get the p-deltas necessary for instability. The process from start to failure and the whys are known as failure mode analysis so the key failure points can be identified. In the case of the twin towers, the key failure points were the steel trusses ability to resist heat... not the columns as discussed in the paper you posted as the trusses caused the columns to fail.


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Good go tell that to FEMA and the government.laugh I agree!

Here is another copy with PICTURES!

http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/405.pdf

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