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Topic: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Get Destroyed
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Fri 08/05/11 03:09 PM
"Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? - Simple Analysis" was published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE on 9/13/01. Peer review of this paper and of other theories volunteering to explain the collapses was conspicuously absent."

Would you happen to know where I might look at these peer reviews??

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Fri 08/05/11 03:18 PM




Once again..........

Those were NOT Mossad Agents. Mossad Agents NEVER let themselves get photographed or videotaped under ANY curcumstance. Not only to you get kicked out of the Mossad but it will also get you killed.




If that is true, that Mossad will kill you if you admit to being Mossad, or get videotaped or arrested, then what does that tell you about Mossad and Israel ?

That they are ruthless murderers and assassins?

I watch plenty of spy movies, and they always tell their spies that if they get caught, they will be cut loose.

So don't expect me to believe any denials you or they are spouting about who they were.

They were Israeli's. They were questioned and released. They would not have been released if they had been Muslims would they? Nope. No way. The only way they would have been released is that they had important connections with Israel.






The Mossad won't kill you, the constant enemy intelligence agencies that hunt down and kill outted Mossad Agents current and former will. Any covert agency like the Mossad will cut you loose if you are identified.

And yes the Mossad are ruthless killers and assassins. Do you know what they were first created for? Hunting down Nazi war criminals and either killing them or bringing them back to Israel to face justice, mostly to kill them.

Oh, so just because they are Israeli they are Mossad? surprised I seriously need to go take some Advil now.frustrated


Well to be honest, I don't know if they were mossad. I read somewhere that they claimed to be.

But in any case, I did not know that just because they were Jews or Israeli's that they were exempt from being suspects.

Who ever they were, they had advanced knowledge of the attack. Why were they questioned and released? Why did they have advanced knowledge of the attack? Who were they if they were not mossad agents?? (I believe they were or at least working for Israel in some capacity.)






Think about it, why would they blow their cover in so many ways then brag about being Mossad?

So you just admitted your using hearsay as evidence. laugh

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Fri 08/05/11 03:19 PM



What is obvious is that the official story is not true.

What is obvious is that the truth is being covered up.




what is obvious is metalwing is a structural engineer and knows more about this stuff than anyone else in the thread. What is also obvious is if he was wrong then why are there not tons of other structural engineers claiming the official story is impossible? They aren't because they know that should have happened.


How do you know that there aren't??

Read this and decide:

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/experts/articles/bazant_jem/bazant_zhou.html


LOL You don't even know what the paper is about! This guy is saying the thermal elastic modulus of the columns should have caused the failure quicker and that the building never could have withstood the damage of an airliner (which most of us know anyway).

He is taking a simplified approach by only analyzing the columns under projected thermal loading without paying attention to the truss stability.

This is exactly the type of peer review to which I referred and to which you shouldn't quote as you don't understand.

If this guy did a little more research he would learn that the truss modulus is critical, not the columns.

The point he is trying to make is that the heat from a jetliner's fuel load burning will cause the building to fall 100% of the time with this type of construction. He is correct and many of us know that already.

It doesn't make your point, it makes mine.

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Fri 08/05/11 03:22 PM
Nonsense as a Weapon

An effective tool for reinforcing the loony conspiricism meme is the introduction of theories that that have no basis in evidence, such as the idea that no planes hit the towers. The association of these ideas with the careful research of investigators in the 9/11 Truth Movement stands to set back the cause of awakening the larger public to the facts of the attack.

A series of websites have promoting more or less obvious hoaxes since the attack. Examples are 911Review.org (See 9/11 Review REVIEWED), and Physics911.net. Both adopted as their centerpiece the idea that no jetliner crashed at the Pentagon -- an idea that may be single most elaborate and well-orchestrated hoax used to undermine the credibility of the 9-11 Truth Movement.

http://911review.com/disinfo/index.html

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Fri 08/05/11 03:24 PM





Once again..........

Those were NOT Mossad Agents. Mossad Agents NEVER let themselves get photographed or videotaped under ANY curcumstance. Not only to you get kicked out of the Mossad but it will also get you killed.




If that is true, that Mossad will kill you if you admit to being Mossad, or get videotaped or arrested, then what does that tell you about Mossad and Israel ?

That they are ruthless murderers and assassins?

I watch plenty of spy movies, and they always tell their spies that if they get caught, they will be cut loose.

So don't expect me to believe any denials you or they are spouting about who they were.

They were Israeli's. They were questioned and released. They would not have been released if they had been Muslims would they? Nope. No way. The only way they would have been released is that they had important connections with Israel.






The Mossad won't kill you, the constant enemy intelligence agencies that hunt down and kill outted Mossad Agents current and former will. Any covert agency like the Mossad will cut you loose if you are identified.

And yes the Mossad are ruthless killers and assassins. Do you know what they were first created for? Hunting down Nazi war criminals and either killing them or bringing them back to Israel to face justice, mostly to kill them.

Oh, so just because they are Israeli they are Mossad? surprised I seriously need to go take some Advil now.frustrated


Well to be honest, I don't know if they were mossad. I read somewhere that they claimed to be.

But in any case, I did not know that just because they were Jews or Israeli's that they were exempt from being suspects.

Who ever they were, they had advanced knowledge of the attack. Why were they questioned and released? Why did they have advanced knowledge of the attack? Who were they if they were not mossad agents?? (I believe they were or at least working for Israel in some capacity.)






Think about it, why would they blow their cover in so many ways then brag about being Mossad?

So you just admitted your using hearsay as evidence. laugh


That they were arrested, and questioned and held for 9 weeks is not hearsay. That they were released is not hearsay. That they were Israeli's was not hearsay. So what are you talking about?

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Fri 08/05/11 03:29 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 08/05/11 03:42 PM




What is obvious is that the official story is not true.

What is obvious is that the truth is being covered up.




what is obvious is metalwing is a structural engineer and knows more about this stuff than anyone else in the thread. What is also obvious is if he was wrong then why are there not tons of other structural engineers claiming the official story is impossible? They aren't because they know that should have happened.


How do you know that there aren't??

Read this and decide:

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/experts/articles/bazant_jem/bazant_zhou.html


LOL You don't even know what the paper is about! This guy is saying the thermal elastic modulus of the columns should have caused the failure quicker and that the building never could have withstood the damage of an airliner (which most of us know anyway).

He is taking a simplified approach by only analyzing the columns under projected thermal loading without paying attention to the truss stability.

This is exactly the type of peer review to which I referred and to which you shouldn't quote as you don't understand.

If this guy did a little more research he would learn that the truss modulus is critical, not the columns.

The point he is trying to make is that the heat from a jetliner's fuel load burning will cause the building to fall 100% of the time with this type of construction. He is correct and many of us know that already.

It doesn't make your point, it makes mine.


Actually it wasn't "This guy."

I think the type in red (unless you are color blind) is refuting or reviewing the type in black.

No, I didn't read it all, and yes I don't understand it.

But there seems to be a disagreement there.

EDITOR'S NOTE: added serious comments are in red; added sarcastic comments are in blue; bold emphasis added.




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Fri 08/05/11 03:33 PM






Once again..........

Those were NOT Mossad Agents. Mossad Agents NEVER let themselves get photographed or videotaped under ANY curcumstance. Not only to you get kicked out of the Mossad but it will also get you killed.




If that is true, that Mossad will kill you if you admit to being Mossad, or get videotaped or arrested, then what does that tell you about Mossad and Israel ?

That they are ruthless murderers and assassins?

I watch plenty of spy movies, and they always tell their spies that if they get caught, they will be cut loose.

So don't expect me to believe any denials you or they are spouting about who they were.

They were Israeli's. They were questioned and released. They would not have been released if they had been Muslims would they? Nope. No way. The only way they would have been released is that they had important connections with Israel.






The Mossad won't kill you, the constant enemy intelligence agencies that hunt down and kill outted Mossad Agents current and former will. Any covert agency like the Mossad will cut you loose if you are identified.

And yes the Mossad are ruthless killers and assassins. Do you know what they were first created for? Hunting down Nazi war criminals and either killing them or bringing them back to Israel to face justice, mostly to kill them.

Oh, so just because they are Israeli they are Mossad? surprised I seriously need to go take some Advil now.frustrated


Well to be honest, I don't know if they were mossad. I read somewhere that they claimed to be.

But in any case, I did not know that just because they were Jews or Israeli's that they were exempt from being suspects.

Who ever they were, they had advanced knowledge of the attack. Why were they questioned and released? Why did they have advanced knowledge of the attack? Who were they if they were not mossad agents?? (I believe they were or at least working for Israel in some capacity.)






Think about it, why would they blow their cover in so many ways then brag about being Mossad?

So you just admitted your using hearsay as evidence. laugh


That they were arrested, and questioned and held for 9 weeks is not hearsay. That they were released is not hearsay. That they were Israeli's was not hearsay. So what are you talking about?


If they were actualy Mossad Agent's they would have been out withing hours if not minutes.

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Fri 08/05/11 03:40 PM
If they were actualy Mossad Agent's they would have been out withing hours if not minutes.


Why?

So are Mossad agents immune?? Do you think they are above the law then?

If so, why would they be?

Are the Jews really now in control of the entire world? Is that what you are saying? That the Mossad agents can film a terrorist attack, then celebrate it and then be released in a few hours because they are.... Mossad?

Why? They are not even Americans! Why would they have that much power in this country?

Is that what you are claiming? That Mossad and Israel have that much power in this country?

Where is your evidence to support these claims?

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Fri 08/05/11 04:27 PM





I don't know how people could think it was a controlled demolition. Have you seen videos of those? The point that there are tons of super loud explosions before the collapse that sounds like a fireworks finale. That is for buildings much smaller than the WTC. There would be no "people thought they heard explosions" there would be people definitely heard them and they would be on the WTC videos as you can hear the sounds of the collapse so you should have heard the explosions prior to that. Not to mention demolitions implode from the bottom. The WTC started from where the plane crashed. Conspiracy theoriests can't claim its almost impossible to even hit the tower with a plane yet think they could have set explosives in advance to implode the building at the exact spots the planes hit.

Just some food for thought.


i guess you never heard of smart bombs they were outfitting planes as missiles before they had missiles

The Tomahawk missile provides a long-range, highly survivable, unmanned land attack weapon system capable of pinpoint accuracy.


http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/bgm-109.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19XXTArAGaM

http://www.howstuffworks.com/cruise-missile.htm




That has nothing to do with controlled demolition. Not to mention we have seen footage of the planes hitting the towers. As did tons of people in NY that were there.


i never said it was a missile that hit the towers.i said they could of use missile guidance systems on the planes.those towers were hit perfectly wingtip to wingtip.

they found thermite dust. why would our goverment send a crime seen to china?where did all the steel go?shouldnt that been kept for evidece. they say they didnt release the footage because it was evidence.where are the towers now?


Why would they want to keep a bunch of steel? Thermite isnt used for demolition and is more common in cutting steel which they would have done to remove it and to save people that were trapped inside.

There could be lots of reasons for thermite. Anyway there were no explosions on the videos hence no demolition.


thank you you are saying it so i dont have to

Why would they want to keep a bunch of steel? Thermite isnt used for demolition and is more common in cutting steel

and steel is what held the building up.

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Fri 08/05/11 05:42 PM

If they were actualy Mossad Agent's they would have been out withing hours if not minutes.


Why?

So are Mossad agents immune?? Do you think they are above the law then?

If so, why would they be?

Are the Jews really now in control of the entire world? Is that what you are saying? That the Mossad agents can film a terrorist attack, then celebrate it and then be released in a few hours because they are.... Mossad?

Why? They are not even Americans! Why would they have that much power in this country?

Is that what you are claiming? That Mossad and Israel have that much power in this country?

Where is your evidence to support these claims?


Some Mossad agents have Diplomatic Immunity, and if they didn't Israel is a close ally of ours and all's it would take is one phone call to Washington to get the so called agents out of jail.

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Fri 08/05/11 05:44 PM

If they were actualy Mossad Agent's they would have been out withing hours if not minutes.


Why?

So are Mossad agents immune?? Do you think they are above the law then?

If so, why would they be?

Are the Jews really now in control of the entire world? Is that what you are saying? That the Mossad agents can film a terrorist attack, then celebrate it and then be released in a few hours because they are.... Mossad?

Why? They are not even Americans! Why would they have that much power in this country?

Is that what you are claiming? That Mossad and Israel have that much power in this country?

Where is your evidence to support these claims?


You have no credible evidence that they are or were Mossad Agents, you even admitted that, so stop with it. You are sounding like a Parrot repeating these rehearsed Truther stances.

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Fri 08/05/11 06:39 PM





What is obvious is that the official story is not true.

What is obvious is that the truth is being covered up.




what is obvious is metalwing is a structural engineer and knows more about this stuff than anyone else in the thread. What is also obvious is if he was wrong then why are there not tons of other structural engineers claiming the official story is impossible? They aren't because they know that should have happened.


How do you know that there aren't??

Read this and decide:

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/experts/articles/bazant_jem/bazant_zhou.html


LOL You don't even know what the paper is about! This guy is saying the thermal elastic modulus of the columns should have caused the failure quicker and that the building never could have withstood the damage of an airliner (which most of us know anyway).

He is taking a simplified approach by only analyzing the columns under projected thermal loading without paying attention to the truss stability.

This is exactly the type of peer review to which I referred and to which you shouldn't quote as you don't understand.

If this guy did a little more research he would learn that the truss modulus is critical, not the columns.

The point he is trying to make is that the heat from a jetliner's fuel load burning will cause the building to fall 100% of the time with this type of construction. He is correct and many of us know that already.

It doesn't make your point, it makes mine.


Actually it wasn't "This guy."

I think the type in red (unless you are color blind) is refuting or reviewing the type in black.

No, I didn't read it all, and yes I don't understand it.

But there seems to be a disagreement there.

EDITOR'S NOTE: added serious comments are in red; added sarcastic comments are in blue; bold emphasis added.






The editor doesn't list his name or occupation that I can see. How can we even know if he is a reliable source. One more reliable than the engineers that wrote the paper.

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Fri 08/05/11 06:41 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 08/05/11 06:57 PM
You have no credible evidence that they are or were Mossad Agents, you even admitted that, so stop with it. You are sounding like a Parrot repeating these rehearsed Truther stances.


What? I have never claimed I had evidence of anything!! But I have just as much 'evidence' of it as you or anyone else has evidence of anything.

All you did was post a news article.

Don't tell me to "stop with it." Who do you think you are telling me to stop anything? Geeeze. If you don't like the stuff I post, DON'T READ IT.




The jubilant Israeli intelligence agents caught photographing the attacks on the World Trade Center were allowed to return to Israel where they divulged the purpose of their mission on a radio program:

“Our purpose was to document the event."

The explosive story of the 5 suspicious Israelis seen celebrating while filming the attacks on the World Trade Center was first reported nationally in American Free Press shortly after September 11. ABC News recently reported on this story and added a comment that deserves attention.

The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported that at least two of the men were Israeli intelligence (Mossad) agents. The Israeli agents were first seen filming the attack on the WTC while kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of a New Jersey apartment building across the river from lower Manhattan.

"They seemed to be taking a movie," the resident who noticed them said. The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck her were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. The FBI was soon on the scene and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

The van belonged to a Mossad front company called Urban Moving Systems. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was pulled over, and five Israelis: Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari, all between 22 and 27 years old, were arrested at gunpoint. One had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock while another carried two foreign passports. Box cutters were found in the van.

“WE ARE NOT YOUR PROBLEM”

According to the police report, one of the men said they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. Sivan Kurzberg, the driver, said, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem."

The case was turned over to the FBI's Foreign Counterintelligence Section because the FBI believed Urban Moving Systems was a “cover for an Israeli intelligence operation,” ABC reported.

While the FBI searched the company’s Weehawken, N.J., offices, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives, the owner of the company, Dominic Suter, was allowed to flee the country. When FBI agents tried to interview Suter a second time they discovered that he had cleared out of his New Jersey home and fled to Israel.

When ABC reporters visited Urban Moving Systems, “it looked as if it had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.”

The Israelis had been held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported, however, FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case, according to ABC.

The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days and given as many as seven lie-detector tests. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks and then failed it, according to his lawyer.


“OUR PURPOSE WAS TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT"

A deal was struck between Israeli and U.S. government officials after 71 days and the five Israelis were put on a plane, and deported to Israel.

The detained Israelis discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. One of the men said: "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."



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Fri 08/05/11 06:49 PM


If they were actualy Mossad Agent's they would have been out withing hours if not minutes.


Why?

So are Mossad agents immune?? Do you think they are above the law then?

If so, why would they be?

Are the Jews really now in control of the entire world? Is that what you are saying? That the Mossad agents can film a terrorist attack, then celebrate it and then be released in a few hours because they are.... Mossad?

Why? They are not even Americans! Why would they have that much power in this country?

Is that what you are claiming? That Mossad and Israel have that much power in this country?

Where is your evidence to support these claims?


You have no credible evidence that they are or were Mossad Agents, you even admitted that, so stop with it. You are sounding like a Parrot repeating these rehearsed Truther stances.



The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported that at least two of the men were Israeli intelligence (Mossad) agents. The Israeli agents were first seen filming the attack on the WTC while kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of a New Jersey apartment building across the river from lower Manhattan.

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Fri 08/05/11 08:17 PM

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Fri 08/05/11 08:47 PM
Edited by Lpdon on Fri 08/05/11 08:50 PM
From the "Champ" himself! I guess the 30+ thousand people in attendance didn't buy into this conspiracy theroy crap either! laugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_h7nDlz6Mw

:thumbsup:

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Fri 08/05/11 08:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWBv0rHrDCc

The Rock talking about his best birthday present ever and calling his birthday Osama Dead Laden Day! :thumbsup:

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Fri 08/05/11 08:55 PM
People believe what they want to believe.

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Fri 08/05/11 08:56 PM



If they were actualy Mossad Agent's they would have been out withing hours if not minutes.


Why?

So are Mossad agents immune?? Do you think they are above the law then?

If so, why would they be?

Are the Jews really now in control of the entire world? Is that what you are saying? That the Mossad agents can film a terrorist attack, then celebrate it and then be released in a few hours because they are.... Mossad?

Why? They are not even Americans! Why would they have that much power in this country?

Is that what you are claiming? That Mossad and Israel have that much power in this country?

Where is your evidence to support these claims?


You have no credible evidence that they are or were Mossad Agents, you even admitted that, so stop with it. You are sounding like a Parrot repeating these rehearsed Truther stances.



The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported that at least two of the men were Israeli intelligence (Mossad) agents. The Israeli agents were first seen filming the attack on the WTC while kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of a New Jersey apartment building across the river from lower Manhattan.


A lone Jewish newspaper eh? Yup that must be credible. slaphead

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Fri 08/05/11 08:57 PM

People believe what they want to believe.


Yup, 30+ thousand people and not one person booted or protested. Shows how many people truly buy into this conspiracy theroy nonsense.

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