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There are Indepentant ladies that want to get laid without being in a relationship. No jealousy no bossing no relationship therefore no cheating.
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As already discussed, men get a great deal of self-esteem from helping their mate. Independent women don't want help, because they feel that it makes them appear weak. I've met independent women who are constantly pursuing a better mate, regardless of if they are married. It goes back the the normal woman concern for honesty, because she's in it to make a family, so she wants to know she's being treated right. If independent women share the same primary needs as a man, then they don't have a need for honesty and are more likely to cheat. Sometimes manifested as the "cuckoo syndrome". Wherein the woman will marry a good provider, but seek a superior male specimen to produce children. I'd have to disagree there. Just because I am able to do things on my own, it doesn't mean asking for help makes me feel/appear weak. If I need help, I'll definitely ask for it, but I just don't get the pretending to need help in order to make a man happy. As Invictus said earlier, we don't need babysitters. Many of us (men and women) are able to do things on our own. You say it goes back to a normal woman concern for honesty, yet I don't think that has a lot to do with it. If I say I need someone to take my trash out for me because it makes them feel more manly, I'm not being honest, as I can certainly do it myself. As for a woman sharing primary needs with men meaning they will be dishonest and cheat, I think that's a load of bs. It does not make sense at all. Also, you're saying that women are inferior because men are superior?  i think he meant superior to other males, not females... as in the best a woman can find... i don't really think spider was putting down women there No worries. That would have been easy enough for him to clarify. 
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There are Indepentant ladies that want to get laid without being in a relationship. No jealousy no bossing no relationship therefore no cheating. Maybe that's what some men don't like? Just as some women don't like when guys want the same? |
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Edited by
navygirl
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Mon 07/18/11 11:38 AM
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As already discussed, men get a great deal of self-esteem from helping their mate. Independent women don't want help, because they feel that it makes them appear weak. I've met independent women who are constantly pursuing a better mate, regardless of if they are married. It goes back the the normal woman concern for honesty, because she's in it to make a family, so she wants to know she's being treated right. If independent women share the same primary needs as a man, then they don't have a need for honesty and are more likely to cheat. Sometimes manifested as the "cuckoo syndrome". Wherein the woman will marry a good provider, but seek a superior male specimen to produce children. I'd have to disagree there. Just because I am able to do things on my own, it doesn't mean asking for help makes me feel/appear weak. If I need help, I'll definitely ask for it, but I just don't get the pretending to need help in order to make a man happy. As Invictus said earlier, we don't need babysitters. Many of us (men and women) are able to do things on our own. You say it goes back to a normal woman concern for honesty, yet I don't think that has a lot to do with it. If I say I need someone to take my trash out for me because it makes them feel more manly, I'm not being honest, as I can certainly do it myself. As for a woman sharing primary needs with men meaning they will be dishonest and cheat, I think that's a load of bs. It does not make sense at all. Also, you're saying that women are inferior because men are superior? i think he meant superior to other males, not females... as in the best a woman can find... i don't really think spider was putting down women there They may be so, but read some of the other stuff he wrote. He is a prime example to you men of what you shouldn't say to women if you ever want a date again. |
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As already discussed, men get a great deal of self-esteem from helping their mate. Independent women don't want help, because they feel that it makes them appear weak. I've met independent women who are constantly pursuing a better mate, regardless of if they are married. It goes back the the normal woman concern for honesty, because she's in it to make a family, so she wants to know she's being treated right. If independent women share the same primary needs as a man, then they don't have a need for honesty and are more likely to cheat. Sometimes manifested as the "cuckoo syndrome". Wherein the woman will marry a good provider, but seek a superior male specimen to produce children. I'd have to disagree there. Just because I am able to do things on my own, it doesn't mean asking for help makes me feel/appear weak. If I need help, I'll definitely ask for it, but I just don't get the pretending to need help in order to make a man happy. As Invictus said earlier, we don't need babysitters. Many of us (men and women) are able to do things on our own. You say it goes back to a normal woman concern for honesty, yet I don't think that has a lot to do with it. If I say I need someone to take my trash out for me because it makes them feel more manly, I'm not being honest, as I can certainly do it myself. As for a woman sharing primary needs with men meaning they will be dishonest and cheat, I think that's a load of bs. It does not make sense at all. Also, you're saying that women are inferior because men are superior? i think he meant superior to other males, not females... as in the best a woman can find... i don't really think spider was putting down women there They may be so, but read some of the other stuff he wrote. He is a prime example to you men of what you shouldn't say to women if you ever want a date again.  Luckily he is attached. But excellent info for other men. Independence is just not what men are used to. As the generations come up more men will be comfortable with a self sufficient woman and the relationship dynamics will be a bit different. |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Mon 07/18/11 11:48 AM
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From my cougar days, I can vouch for the fact younger men are more comfortable with an independent woman now,
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As already discussed, men get a great deal of self-esteem from helping their mate. Independent women don't want help, because they feel that it makes them appear weak. I've met independent women who are constantly pursuing a better mate, regardless of if they are married. It goes back the the normal woman concern for honesty, because she's in it to make a family, so she wants to know she's being treated right. If independent women share the same primary needs as a man, then they don't have a need for honesty and are more likely to cheat. Sometimes manifested as the "cuckoo syndrome". Wherein the woman will marry a good provider, but seek a superior male specimen to produce children. I'd have to disagree there. Just because I am able to do things on my own, it doesn't mean asking for help makes me feel/appear weak. If I need help, I'll definitely ask for it, but I just don't get the pretending to need help in order to make a man happy. As Invictus said earlier, we don't need babysitters. Many of us (men and women) are able to do things on our own. You say it goes back to a normal woman concern for honesty, yet I don't think that has a lot to do with it. If I say I need someone to take my trash out for me because it makes them feel more manly, I'm not being honest, as I can certainly do it myself. As for a woman sharing primary needs with men meaning they will be dishonest and cheat, I think that's a load of bs. It does not make sense at all. Also, you're saying that women are inferior because men are superior? i think he meant superior to other males, not females... as in the best a woman can find... i don't really think spider was putting down women there They may be so, but read some of the other stuff he wrote. He is a prime example to you men of what you shouldn't say to women if you ever want a date again. Luckily he is attached. But excellent info for other men. Independence is just not what men are used to. As the generations come up more men will be comfortable with a self sufficient woman and the relationship dynamics will be a bit different. You are so correct. I am seeing more of the younger generation being more accepting to independent women. My friends always complain that they wish their girlfriends/wives would be more independent. These women can't take out the trash, put gas in their car, know how to use a lawnmower, unclog a sink, to name but a few things. These women can't make a decision if their life depended on it, but I have great hope for the younger generation. |
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As already discussed, men get a great deal of self-esteem from helping their mate. Independent women don't want help, because they feel that it makes them appear weak. I've met independent women who are constantly pursuing a better mate, regardless of if they are married. It goes back the the normal woman concern for honesty, because she's in it to make a family, so she wants to know she's being treated right. If independent women share the same primary needs as a man, then they don't have a need for honesty and are more likely to cheat. Sometimes manifested as the "cuckoo syndrome". Wherein the woman will marry a good provider, but seek a superior male specimen to produce children. I'd have to disagree there. Just because I am able to do things on my own, it doesn't mean asking for help makes me feel/appear weak. If I need help, I'll definitely ask for it, but I just don't get the pretending to need help in order to make a man happy. As Invictus said earlier, we don't need babysitters. Many of us (men and women) are able to do things on our own. You say it goes back to a normal woman concern for honesty, yet I don't think that has a lot to do with it. If I say I need someone to take my trash out for me because it makes them feel more manly, I'm not being honest, as I can certainly do it myself. As for a woman sharing primary needs with men meaning they will be dishonest and cheat, I think that's a load of bs. It does not make sense at all. Also, you're saying that women are inferior because men are superior? i think he meant superior to other males, not females... as in the best a woman can find... i don't really think spider was putting down women there They may be so, but read some of the other stuff he wrote. He is a prime example to you men of what you shouldn't say to women if you ever want a date again. you know i'de never say any of  that...
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As already discussed, men get a great deal of self-esteem from helping their mate. Independent women don't want help, because they feel that it makes them appear weak. I've met independent women who are constantly pursuing a better mate, regardless of if they are married. It goes back the the normal woman concern for honesty, because she's in it to make a family, so she wants to know she's being treated right. If independent women share the same primary needs as a man, then they don't have a need for honesty and are more likely to cheat. Sometimes manifested as the "cuckoo syndrome". Wherein the woman will marry a good provider, but seek a superior male specimen to produce children. I'd have to disagree there. Just because I am able to do things on my own, it doesn't mean asking for help makes me feel/appear weak. If I need help, I'll definitely ask for it, but I just don't get the pretending to need help in order to make a man happy. As Invictus said earlier, we don't need babysitters. Many of us (men and women) are able to do things on our own. You say it goes back to a normal woman concern for honesty, yet I don't think that has a lot to do with it. If I say I need someone to take my trash out for me because it makes them feel more manly, I'm not being honest, as I can certainly do it myself. As for a woman sharing primary needs with men meaning they will be dishonest and cheat, I think that's a load of bs. It does not make sense at all. Also, you're saying that women are inferior because men are superior? i think he meant superior to other males, not females... as in the best a woman can find... i don't really think spider was putting down women there They may be so, but read some of the other stuff he wrote. He is a prime example to you men of what you shouldn't say to women if you ever want a date again. you know i'de never say any of that... Nope, not you. You are the charmer of the mingles men.  |
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As already discussed, men get a great deal of self-esteem from helping their mate. Independent women don't want help, because they feel that it makes them appear weak. I've met independent women who are constantly pursuing a better mate, regardless of if they are married. It goes back the the normal woman concern for honesty, because she's in it to make a family, so she wants to know she's being treated right. If independent women share the same primary needs as a man, then they don't have a need for honesty and are more likely to cheat. Sometimes manifested as the "cuckoo syndrome". Wherein the woman will marry a good provider, but seek a superior male specimen to produce children. I'd have to disagree there. Just because I am able to do things on my own, it doesn't mean asking for help makes me feel/appear weak. If I need help, I'll definitely ask for it, but I just don't get the pretending to need help in order to make a man happy. As Invictus said earlier, we don't need babysitters. Many of us (men and women) are able to do things on our own. You say it goes back to a normal woman concern for honesty, yet I don't think that has a lot to do with it. If I say I need someone to take my trash out for me because it makes them feel more manly, I'm not being honest, as I can certainly do it myself. As for a woman sharing primary needs with men meaning they will be dishonest and cheat, I think that's a load of bs. It does not make sense at all. Also, you're saying that women are inferior because men are superior? i think he meant superior to other males, not females... as in the best a woman can find... i don't really think spider was putting down women there They may be so, but read some of the other stuff he wrote. He is a prime example to you men of what you shouldn't say to women if you ever want a date again. you know i'de never say any of that... Nope, not you. You are the charmer of the mingles men. yea, i hear that a lot in here...
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As already discussed, men get a great deal of self-esteem from helping their mate. Independent women don't want help, because they feel that it makes them appear weak. I've met independent women who are constantly pursuing a better mate, regardless of if they are married. It goes back the the normal woman concern for honesty, because she's in it to make a family, so she wants to know she's being treated right. If independent women share the same primary needs as a man, then they don't have a need for honesty and are more likely to cheat. Sometimes manifested as the "cuckoo syndrome". Wherein the woman will marry a good provider, but seek a superior male specimen to produce children. I'd have to disagree there. Just because I am able to do things on my own, it doesn't mean asking for help makes me feel/appear weak. If I need help, I'll definitely ask for it, but I just don't get the pretending to need help in order to make a man happy. As Invictus said earlier, we don't need babysitters. Many of us (men and women) are able to do things on our own. You say it goes back to a normal woman concern for honesty, yet I don't think that has a lot to do with it. If I say I need someone to take my trash out for me because it makes them feel more manly, I'm not being honest, as I can certainly do it myself. As for a woman sharing primary needs with men meaning they will be dishonest and cheat, I think that's a load of bs. It does not make sense at all. Also, you're saying that women are inferior because men are superior? i think he meant superior to other males, not females... as in the best a woman can find... i don't really think spider was putting down women there They may be so, but read some of the other stuff he wrote. He is a prime example to you men of what you shouldn't say to women if you ever want a date again. you know i'de never say any of that... Nope, not you. You are the charmer of the mingles men. yea, i hear that a lot in here... I have no doubt you do Mr. Charmer.
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Mon 07/18/11 12:50 PM
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navygirl said... My friends always complain that they wish their girlfriends/wives would be more independent. These women can't take out the trash, put gas in their car, know how to use a lawnmower, unclog a sink, to name but a few things. These women can't make a decision if their life depended on it, but I have great hope for the younger generation. Is that really what makes an "independent woman"? Those are just necessary life skills, like how to pay a bill or drive a car. I guess I should have asked for a definition of an "independent woman" before giving my 2 cents.
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Edited by
navygirl
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Mon 07/18/11 12:52 PM
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navygirl said... My friends always complain that they wish their girlfriends/wives would be more independent. These women can't take out the trash, put gas in their car, know how to use a lawnmower, unclog a sink, to name but a few things. These women can't make a decision if their life depended on it, but I have great hope for the younger generation. Is that really what you think makes an "independent woman"? Those are just necessary life skills, like how to pay a bill or drive a car. I guess I should have asked for a definition of an "independent woman" before giving my 2 cents. Really more sarcasm? The whole idea of being independent is doing things for yourself and not relying on a man to those things for you. Its saying that I can take care of myself if the man walks out of my life; or should die. Its saying I live myself alone if I have to and won't fall apart because a man isn't there to care of me. Yes, these are necessary life skills but dependent women can't do it as they are so reliant on a man and never learned to do for themselves. My mom was a prime example of that and lived with an abusive man because she didn't have these life skills to go out on her own. I guess you probably will laugh at my mom for going through her life as an abused woman too. |
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Spider, what is your definition of an independent woman?
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Mon 07/18/11 01:00 PM
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Men confuse independent women with men haters too often too.
Like misogynistic men, men hating women are not all lesbians either. Misandry. |
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navygirl said... My friends always complain that they wish their girlfriends/wives would be more independent. These women can't take out the trash, put gas in their car, know how to use a lawnmower, unclog a sink, to name but a few things. These women can't make a decision if their life depended on it, but I have great hope for the younger generation. Is that really what you think makes an "independent woman"? Those are just necessary life skills, like how to pay a bill or drive a car. I guess I should have asked for a definition of an "independent woman" before giving my 2 cents. Really more sarcasm? The whole idea of being independent is doing things for yourself and not relying on a man to those things for you. Its saying that I can take care of myself if the man walks out of my life; or should die. Its saying I live myself alone if I have to and won't fall apart because a man isn't there to care of me. Yes, these are necessary life skills but dependent women can't do it as they are so reliant on a man and never learned to do for themselves. My mom was a prime example of that and lived with an abusive man because she didn't have these life skills to go out on her own. I guess you probably will laugh at my mom for going through her life as an abused woman too. It wasn't sarcasm, I actually went in and removed some words to make it clear that I was working with a different definition of "independent woman" than other people. The laughter was me laughing at myself for making an assumption. |
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I guess you probably will laugh at my mom for going through her life as an abused woman too. Why would I do that? That's heart breaking. |
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Men confuse independent women with men haters too often too. Like misogynistic men, men hating women are not all lesbians either. I am looking for the technical name for men haters besides man eaters, does anyone know? i know what you mean, for a long time i was a "female hater", because of what i went through in the past, but never gay... now i just realized the hate was directed at women, but really i hated myself for letting things happen the way they did... now neither matter anymore, because i know the truth... no need for hatin, people are just people |
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navygirl said... My friends always complain that they wish their girlfriends/wives would be more independent. These women can't take out the trash, put gas in their car, know how to use a lawnmower, unclog a sink, to name but a few things. These women can't make a decision if their life depended on it, but I have great hope for the younger generation. Is that really what you think makes an "independent woman"? Those are just necessary life skills, like how to pay a bill or drive a car. I guess I should have asked for a definition of an "independent woman" before giving my 2 cents. Well lacking the ability to perform necessary life skills makes one more dependent on others to get by! When I met my ex he had no idea how to operate a computer, work on a car, or balance a checkbook. It drove me nuts because he needed me for everything. There are women that may know how to do these things, but prefer to make their man do it for them. IMO...independent means that you will do those things without asking for your mans help! I can do a tune up on my car, but if I was with a capable man that didn't mind doing it I would allow him to along with the taking out trash & mowing. I'd make him some ice tea and a nice dinner to show my appreciation. Having said that, I still consider myself independent because I don't actually need a man to accomplish those things and wouldn't ask/beg him to do them for me. If he wanted to, I'd let him! Other than that I would just do them myself. |
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I guess you probably will laugh at my mom for going through her life as an abused woman too. Why would I do that? That's heart breaking. Your damn right its heart breaking which is why I became independent. I didn't want to end up like her. As for laughing; you seem to think everything is funny so thought you might get a chuckle out of that too. |
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