I'd have to disagree there. Just because I am able to do things on my own, it doesn't mean asking for help makes me feel/appear weak. If I need help, I'll definitely ask for it, but I just don't get the pretending to need help in order to make a man happy. As Invictus said earlier, we don't need babysitters. Many of us (men and women) are able to do things on our own.

You say it goes back to a normal woman concern for honesty, yet I don't think that has a lot to do with it. If I say I need someone to take my trash out for me because it makes them feel more manly, I'm not being honest, as I can certainly do it myself.

As for a woman sharing primary needs with men meaning they will be dishonest and cheat, I think that's a load of bs. It does not make sense at all.

Also, you're saying that women are inferior because men are superior?

I didn't say that, the problem is that your reading comprehension isn't up to snuff.

Let's review what I wrote...



In the sentence above, the word "but" is a Correlative Conjunction. The Subject "the woman" is followed by two predicates "will marry a good provider" and "seek a superior male specimen to produce children". The word "superior" refers not to the woman, but the preceding predicate "will marry a good provider".

The "Cuckoo Syndrome" is where a woman marries man A, because he makes a good living and cheats on man A with man B (in order to produce children), because man B is a superior physical specimen to man A. The woman's goal is to a) create a good nest for herself and her offspring while b) Producing the best offspring possible.

No need to be condescending.

I just disagree with what you've said. If those are your personal experiences, I hope you meet better women in the future, but do remember that not all women are like what you've said in your posts here.

I never said they were women I've dated, just women I've known.

You didn't "just disagree with what I said", you wildly misinterpreted something I posted and claimed that I thought "women are inferior because men are superior". I'm a lot of things, but I'm not a misogynist and I don't deserve to be smeared as one.

Independent women do accept help but we can also do things for ourselves. Being independent makes you more likely to cheat? Bull. I am a very independent have never cheated and I am honest. When I was with a guy; I didn't persue a better mate. Guess I don't fit the norm of what you call an independent woman.

I am a completely independent women. I may not want a man controlling me, paying my bills, or living in my house. However, that being said I still want to go out, have fun, and meet someone to share my life with. It may not be with the traditional terms of marriage, living together,but want a man who just is happy being with me and happy. For get all the other crap that is for people wanting to start a family some of us are past that.

Well, you cleared up what you said I misinterpreted. No worries. But yes, I definitely disagree with most of what you have said here. Just because you know women like you've described, it does not mean we're all like that. So, you may want to take your own advice and don't smear all independent women just because of a few you know.

I don't think most independent woman fit what he's saying, actually.

I didn't say all independent women cheat. I said that women who have the same hierarchy of needs as men are more likely to cheat. Men are more likely to cheat, because "Honesty" isn't in our top 5 needs. So if a woman had the same needs as a man, then she would be more likely to cheat.

Women who think like men are more likely to cheat. If sex is her top priority, she makes her own money and she isn't concerned with Honesty, that's the perfect formula for cheating.

I was just working with what you gave me, but now you want to pretend you never made this statement? Or is it that you want to ignore the implications of what it would mean to be a woman who valued sex over intimacy?

What did I spell wrong?

I still call bull. Just because I want the same things as a man that does not make me more likely to cheat. It just means I want to live life to the fullest. Reasons people cheat is because the person in their relationship doesn't fulfill their needs or shuts them down and that has nothing to do with being independent as dependent women will certainly cheat too.

I said women who value sex over honesty are MORE LIKELY to cheat. I didn't say they all cheat. You believe that a women can value sex over honesty, intimacy and building a family, while being no more likely to cheat than a woman who values honest, intimacy and building a family? Keep telling yourself that.

I'll never get why a woman that's so independent and picky would even bother to waste space on sites like this.heck im just a simple guy living one day at a time because you never know if you'll have another.these type of women make it where i dont even want to messege anyone. i took a long time off from dateing to get things in order.i dont own a dang jet and im not kin to donald trump but does that make me not worth getting a simple hi from some of these people?lol I'ts not like it use to be.i use to hangout on another site that has cam and had an awesome time till people who made their rooms would get jelous and boot you than i stop trying to make online friends.well im back.im not perfect or rich and im not the best speller like i seen on one womans profile who was obsessed with spelling,lmao.anywho people here so far seem cool in the forums and as far as trying to messege someone,i dunno.sorry about the rant.

Wow, is your head ever in the sand. There are women who have been married for years; had children and guess what they are cheating on their husbands. Sex is just that; its just sex. I don't value sex over being the person I am as it simply isn't the cornerstone of a relationship. I figured that out years ago. All I am saying is independence needn't be a bad thing. You can approach independence as an adult and talk to your partner about it or you can beat on your chest and whine about how horrible independent women are. I found that the best lasting relationships that my friends are is accepting each other for who they are where there is no battle for control. Its called a partnership and its all about respecting each other without fighting for power. You are no expert on relationships or independent women that is quite clear.

Answer is simple; find yourself a nice dependent clingly woman that calls you five times a day at work because she missess you.

You are reading between the lines of my post and that's a bad thing. I didn't say what you think I said. Just read the words, don't try to understand what else I'm thinking.

singmesweet said that "many" independent women share the same hierarcy of needs as men. I DIDN'T SAY THAT, SHE DID. GO TO PAGE TWO TO SEE THAT SHE DID, IF YOU NEED TO. That would mean that such women valued sex over honesty, intimacy and building a family. I'm talking to HER about what SHE said. Such women are more likely to cheat.

YOU said "I don't value sex over being the person". WHAT? So you value intimacy over sex? Wow, you are a woman who has the normal hierarchy of needs and I'm not talking about you! Get over yourself and/or work on your reading comprehension.



This isn't about me. Singmesweetly stated that some women shared the same hierarchy of needs as men, I was addressing that statement.

Besides, I don't have time to be bitter, I'm too busy laughing.

Of course I value intamcy over sex. I am not an animal; but an intelligent person. As for you laughing; I doubt it you just seem to mask it with words. Does it make you feel superior to put someone down? I see that time and time again in your posts. I feel sorry for you as you are such a sad man. You think talking down to others on this site makes you a better person but it doesn't. I comprehend quite well and I don't need to get over myself as I am just responding to the tripe you are writing. I am just trying to figure out who messed with your head. I looked at your profile and it explains a lot about who you are. You even look bitter on your pictures. Try a smile and lighten up.

Normally, I like them desperate, needy, clingy, neurotic and borderline psychotic.....

But, I have been with an independant woman and I will never go back to less.

As I've said in other threads, I denigrate the posts that I feel are illogical or ignore the facts. I do that, because we seem to condone in adults, behavior we would not accept from children. Namely entering into a conversation in which the person has no idea of what they are talking about.

The fact that you value intimacy over sex is great. I applaud the fact that you are normal in that regard. It doesn't change the fact that I wasn't the one who said that many independent women have the same hierarchy of needs as men.



I have Asperger's Syndrome, so I don't smile a lot. That's doesn't mean I'm not happy. That's what I mean about your "reading between the lines". You look at a picture of an autistic man and assume he must be unhappy. Maybe you should wait until you get to know someone before you start trying to diagnose what is wrong with this life?