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Some keep looking in the same places over and over again.... Were are you looking? In the JUNK YARD, check your self. Today there are women that as thay say,(GOT IT GOING ON) I can take care of myself. And say I am not getting married. If thay meet a man, he not 100% of what thay or looking for. GOODBY... All are not looking for a relationship, but a date.   I found that out the hard way. I always wanted to believe the best of everyone. No one was bad because they wanted to be, it had to be because no one loved them right...lol I had some hard life lessons to learn... I agree one hundred percent, if women required from men that they bring their best all the time, more men would. As for the ladies, independent ladies are that way for many different reasons. Some are not looking for a man, some are not looking for an all the time man, some are not looking for a part time thing at all, etc... There is no one mold. Speaking of mold, lies are a blight on society. Do you have any lies you would like to own up to? |
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independent women sometimes find themself single for the same reason dependent women do,, essentially,, they arent 'finding' whatever it is they seek in a partner there is a tendency to define independence in absolutes, as in, not needing anyone else for ANYTHING,, that type of person builds a pretty tall wall that makes it difficult for another person to truly feel comfortable even OFFERING to contibute to their life in any way for fear of 'offending' their prideful sense of independency but independence doesnt have to be an absolute, to me, anyonw who is comfortable in their skin is independent(of others judgments and influence) that means even 'submissive' women who would otherwise be considered dependent,, also have a TYPE of independence Self delusion is a powerful mind control too. Being comfortable in your skin cannot happen if you are subservient to others without having your own identity. Women in these roles lose their identity. They become only mom and wife but never woman standing on her own. women in these roles, who have CHOSEN these roles and have a partner that compliments such a role,, are glad to be 'only' mom and wife those are pretty significant jobs in life,,,that help future generations 'stand on their own' |
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Contrary to popular myth men of the past did not put their women and children first, at the very least they put their job first. When you make a generalized statement like that without documentation, you are saying that "most" if not "all" men treated their family that way. And...furthermore...that is not true at all. Men of the PAST and PRESENT put their wives and children first by going to work and providing for their food and shelter. So I am not sure where that myth came from unless it was one of those "manipulation" given to women to make them believe that their "job" which men did not respect was important so she would continue to do it. We all have to love and respect ourselves first before we can love and respect others. We will lose sight of ourselves if we give all of us to someone else. Not everyone holds themselves in such high regards as you women seem to. There are many that don't have the self confidence or fortitude that it takes to overcome alot of life's courses of ups and downs. Sometimes putting other people first teaches you how to love yourself and helps you to become a humble person who is compassionate and loving. They cannot guarantee they will be there forever even if death is the reason they go. Leaving their partner without a life and without a way to make a life because their "life" is now dead or left or whatever. Women have shown us what happens when you devote your whole life to the man and family without any concern for yourself and when left alone by the man and the children are suppose to leave, then the woman is fifty, unemployable and unwanted. That was not the point that was mentioned from the onset of this thread. It was about thinking of your partner first and likewise they do the same. It's a very honorable BLENDING of a relationship. That's what a marriage was meant to accomplish. You support your spouse in his endeavors and he supports you in yours. No young woman should ever let this happen having seen it. Watch out for yourself and expect the others to do so too then bring what you bring to the relationship with two fully functioning adults that can support themselves. That sounds reasonable but many times over that is not the situation. We live in a disfuctional world surrounded by disfuctional people. We need to learn to love them for what they are and respect them for what they believe in. This "me me" society needs a swift kick in the arse. I disagree with most of this. It is an old fashioned ideal that is not feasible for most women of today. It is not a me me thing. It is a better me takes better care of everyone kinda thing. |
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independent women sometimes find themself single for the same reason dependent women do,, essentially,, they arent 'finding' whatever it is they seek in a partner there is a tendency to define independence in absolutes, as in, not needing anyone else for ANYTHING,, that type of person builds a pretty tall wall that makes it difficult for another person to truly feel comfortable even OFFERING to contibute to their life in any way for fear of 'offending' their prideful sense of independency but independence doesnt have to be an absolute, to me, anyonw who is comfortable in their skin is independent(of others judgments and influence) that means even 'submissive' women who would otherwise be considered dependent,, also have a TYPE of independence Self delusion is a powerful mind control too. Being comfortable in your skin cannot happen if you are subservient to others without having your own identity. Women in these roles lose their identity. They become only mom and wife but never woman standing on her own. women in these roles, who have CHOSEN these roles and have a partner that compliments such a role,, are glad to be 'only' mom and wife those are pretty significant jobs in life,,,that help future generations 'stand on their own' How can someone who doesn't "stand on their own" role model it for others to follow? |
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I disagree with most of this. It is an old fashioned ideal that is not feasible for most women of today. It is not a me me thing. It is a better me takes better care of everyone kinda thing. You know what I disagree with? You lying about what I posted and you posting a smear on all men. Apologize please. |
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If she said all mean, I would have thought she meant all men. Since she didn't, I did not assume she meant all men. Same with your example. You're seeing it the opposite way. Since she did not say some, you assumed she meant all. You asked me a question and I gave an answer. Now you're telling me you doubt it's because of what I said. If you didn't actually want an answer and would rather go by what you think I meant, why ask to begin with? See, I have you and you know it. I'm done watching you squirm. Enjoy your evening. You're making no sense. You're not looking for an actual answer from me, you're looking for me to agree with you on what you think that I'm trying to say. If you've already made up your mind about what I think, why ask me to begin with? |
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If she said all mean, I would have thought she meant all men. Since she didn't, I did not assume she meant all men. Same with your example. You're seeing it the opposite way. Since she did not say some, you assumed she meant all. You asked me a question and I gave an answer. Now you're telling me you doubt it's because of what I said. If you didn't actually want an answer and would rather go by what you think I meant, why ask to begin with? See, I have you and you know it. I'm done watching you squirm. Enjoy your evening. You're making no sense. You're not looking for an actual answer from me, you're looking for me to agree with you on what you think that I'm trying to say. If you've already made up your mind about what I think, why ask me to begin with? I said GOOD DAY! |
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Spider, I think you spend most of your time here trying to argue with people. When it stops going your way, you say you're bored with it.
 
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Spider, I think you spend most of your time here trying to argue with people. When it stops going your way, you say you're bored with it. Geez, okay, sometimes the fish don't want off the hook. If she said all mean, I would have thought she meant all men. Since she didn't, I did not assume she meant all men. Same with your example. You're seeing it the opposite way. Since she did not say some, you assumed she meant all. You asked me a question and I gave an answer. Now you're telling me you doubt it's because of what I said. If you didn't actually want an answer and would rather go by what you think I meant, why ask to begin with? See, I have you and you know it. I'm done watching you squirm. Enjoy your evening. You're making no sense. You're not looking for an actual answer from me, you're looking for me to agree with you on what you think that I'm trying to say. If you've already made up your mind about what I think, why ask me to begin with? If I said "Women are whores", would you believe that I meant "some" women? I didn't leave any doubt, I said "women are whores". Just like if I said "Women are not men" or "Women have an X Chromosome". In all three sentences, I am obviously talking about all women and I have no doubt you would take offense at the first statement. So I wonder why Dragoness gets the benefit of your bias (assuming "some"), while I wouldn't. If I'm not making this clear, I'll do so now: You are biased and a hypocrite. Your support of her isn't based on grammar or reason as you pretend it is. |
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Again, don't ask for an answer if you don't actually want to hear the answer. She didn't get the benefit of my bias while you didn't. You gave an example and I already said earlier that I wouldn't assume you meant all if you didn't say all. You told someone earlier not to put words into your mouth, so you should take your own advice and not do that to others.
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Wed 07/20/11 08:36 PM
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Again, don't ask for an answer if you don't actually want to hear the answer. She didn't get the benefit of my bias while you didn't. You gave an example and I already said earlier that I wouldn't assume you meant all if you didn't say all. You told someone earlier not to put words into your mouth, so you should take your own advice and not do that to others. Really? I wouldn't be subject to any bias from you? Here is a conversation we had about something I posted earlier: SpiderCMB said.. Sometimes manifested as the "cuckoo syndrome". Wherein the woman will marry a good provider, but seek a superior male specimen to produce children. singmesweet said... Also, you're saying that women are inferior because men are superior? I didn't say that, the problem is that your reading comprehension isn't up to snuff. Let's review what I wrote... Wherein the woman will marry a good provider, but seek a superior male specimen to produce children. In the sentence above, the word "but" is a Correlative Conjunction. The Subject "the woman" is followed by two predicates "will marry a good provider" and "seek a superior male specimen to produce children". The word "superior" refers not to the woman, but the preceding predicate "will marry a good provider". The "Cuckoo Syndrome" is where a woman marries man A, because he makes a good living and cheats on man A with man B (in order to produce children), because man B is a superior physical specimen to man A. The woman's goal is to a) create a good nest for herself and her offspring while b) Producing the best offspring possible. singmesweet said... No need to be condescending. I just disagree with what you've said. If those are your personal experiences, I hope you meet better women in the future, but do remember that not all women are like what you've said in your posts here. MightyMoe said... i think he meant superior to other males, not females... as in the best a woman can find... i don't really think spider was putting down women there singmesweet said... No worries. That would have been easy enough for him to clarify.  Even after I explained the whole sentence to you, so that you could see your mistake, you still pretend that I hadn't clarified my statement by that point. Care to explain? |
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Here was my response to you. There's nothing else to explain.
No need to be condescending. I just disagree with what you've said. If those are your personal experiences, I hope you meet better women in the future, but do remember that not all women are like what you've said in your posts here. And still, there is no need to be condescending. I'm starting to wonder if this is the way you are all the time and just can't help yourself? Or if you're purposefully being condescending. |
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Here was my response to you. There's nothing else to explain. No need to be condescending. I just disagree with what you've said. If those are your personal experiences, I hope you meet better women in the future, but do remember that not all women are like what you've said in your posts here. And still, there is no need to be condescending. I'm starting to wonder if this is the way you are all the time and just can't help yourself? Or if you're purposefully being condescending. Those posts were from days ago. I'm not being condescending to you now, am I? So please answer the question. Regardless of my tone in the post, I explained to you that I was saying a woman would seek out a superior male specimen (as in superior to her husband) with whom to have a child. You later didn't seem to know that I had explained that statement. Why is that? |
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Edited by
singmesweet
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Wed 07/20/11 09:01 PM
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I'm not playing this little game with you. Your statement from days ago was clarified. End of story. Let it go, man.
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I'm not playing this little game with you. Your statement from days ago was clarified. End of story. Let it go, man. Oh no no. I said I was done arguing you, but now that I've taken the time to show your bias against me, you don't want to play anymore? 
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Edited by
singmesweet
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Wed 07/20/11 09:10 PM
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What does disagreeing with you have to do with feminism? I get that this is independent ladies thread, but what specifically does not agreeing with you have to with feminism?
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What does disagreeing with you have to do with feminism? I get that this is independent ladies thread, but what specifically does not agreeing with you have to with feminism? You wanted to play, you thought you had me on the ropes. I showed that you were biased against me to the point that you pretended I hadn't explained a statement you didn't understand. Then you decided that "I'm not playing this little game with you." You were fine piling on me when you didn't have any skin in the game, but once your bias was exposed, it was splitsville. |
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independent women sometimes find themself single for the same reason dependent women do,, essentially,, they arent 'finding' whatever it is they seek in a partner there is a tendency to define independence in absolutes, as in, not needing anyone else for ANYTHING,, that type of person builds a pretty tall wall that makes it difficult for another person to truly feel comfortable even OFFERING to contibute to their life in any way for fear of 'offending' their prideful sense of independency but independence doesnt have to be an absolute, to me, anyonw who is comfortable in their skin is independent(of others judgments and influence) that means even 'submissive' women who would otherwise be considered dependent,, also have a TYPE of independence Self delusion is a powerful mind control too. Being comfortable in your skin cannot happen if you are subservient to others without having your own identity. Women in these roles lose their identity. They become only mom and wife but never woman standing on her own. women in these roles, who have CHOSEN these roles and have a partner that compliments such a role,, are glad to be 'only' mom and wife those are pretty significant jobs in life,,,that help future generations 'stand on their own' How can someone who doesn't "stand on their own" role model it for others to follow? women like these do 'stand on their own',,,they just dont need a wage to define where they stand |
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