Well that's special.

Do you honestly think that just because the Bible tells a man to "love his wife" that he is going to do it?

Sure, he loves her.... and he can also beat the crap out of her any time he wants. Back in those days, nobody did anything about it. A man was expected to keep his wife in line and the wife was expected to keep here mouth shut. She was rarely allowed to have an opinion.

A lot of real fundamentalist today still hold those kinds of beliefs.

lol, your just absolutely funny and kinda cute on how you discuss. There is again, absolutely no brain washing. I have submitted myself and my life to Christ on my own. Not influenced by any outside person, object, or anything. I have made my own personal choice as to be a servant to the lord.

Yes people did this and what I am showing is it's not supported by the Christian belief. So it is pointless to try to assimilate the two together.

And still, the people, on orders from their leader Joshua, who claimed to have orders from the all might god, had to pick up their swords and murder men, women and children. They beheaded most of them. They stole their goods, and they probably did a bit of raping and blundering along the way.

ALL THIS BY ORDER OF THE ALL MIGHTY GOD.

This is an outrage. This is not the work of God. It is the work of EVIL.

YOU WILL KNOW EVIL BY THEIR DEEDS. THEIR DEEDS. MURDER, PLUNDER, THEFT, RAPE. THEIR DEEDS.

Exactly. Besides their are tons of well-documented cases of women feeling pressured by this religion to stay in abusive relationships.

So the real-world reality of the situation far outweighs Cowboy's very young and inexperienced personal views.

His claim that such situations were not the fruit of religion is also extremely naive. His statement below says it all:



That's about as naive as can be.

After all, most women who TRUST in God, also TRUST in their boyfriends and they also TRUST that God hooked them up with the right guy!

For them to DOUBT that the guy is right would be to DOUBT God!

How can you TRUST God do guide you thought your life, if you refuse to TRUST God?

If you're going to question everything yourself and test everything to the limit, then what's the point in even trusting God in the first place?

That would be a person who has no FAITH in God at all.

There are many sects who still believe these things. They call themselves Christians.

Goes along with what I was saying, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, that son of a gun is a duck.

If they walk as a Christian, talk as a Christian, and behave like a Christian, that son of a gun is a Christian.

Just because someone takes the "title" Christian, doesn't make them Christian. Look at the root of that word, Christ. Christian literally means Christ like. If someone isn't doing as Christ did and or told us to do or not do, how can that person be Christ "like"?

Exactly.

Isn't it truly hilarious when you think about these stories. This is almost as bad as some of the nursery rhymes we look back and laugh at how gory they were.

Here we have a book that tell us itself that we can tell evil by the DEEDS and then it has their God himself instructing people to do all these EVIL DEEDS.

That's funny.

And it's even funnier to see people today tenaciously defending these stories and expecting us to take them seriously.

And you say things I say are naive. God doesn't direct two people to each other, that would be interfering with free will. God lets you make the choice on who you wish to be with. It still all lays on the woman's decision to marry or not marry this man. This man has free will and can and will do as he wishes. It revolves around the woman having chose a man that did beat her. She should have waited before marrying this man to see exactly what kind man he was. Possibly even live with him first, you know just to see if she could handle his morning breath. Lol sorry, sorta jk. But yes, this woman should have lived with the man first, to see if they could handle each other being around each so much. It's quite a bit different seeing your spouse part of the day and or with days inbetween compared to being around him/her all the time basically.

There are many Christians who would say that YOU are not a Christian.
Every denomination actually thinks that THEY are the chosen few who God will favor or that THEY and only they have it right. Everyone else who call themselves Christian are fooling themselves.

So I'm not buying that crap.

Anyone who believes that Jesus is the son of God and carries around a Bible, is a Christian. Everyone who claims to be a Christian and goes to church is a Christian or a liar.

But I'm not going to call people liars. If they say they are a Christian, who am I to disagree. I am taking their word for it, and so should you.

Unless you want to call them a liar to their face.

No wouldn't call them a liar or anything. But I can claim to be Japanese till I'm blue in the face.

Yes this is a little different, this is speaking of races and not necessarily a choice.

But point being, just because someone claims to be something, doesn't make it so. Takes more then just words to justify such a thing. Now again, no judging their stance with God. Just merely making a general fact of things.

Bad analogy. You don't chose what race you are.

So just because you claim to be a Christian, that does not mean you are?

People chose what political party they join, they chose what religion they follow. They either follow it or they are liars.

Point is, YOU have no right to judge whether they are real Christians or not.

If they say they are, then you should take their word for it, or else call them a liar.

How would you like it if I called you a liar? Jesus teaches love and forgiveness and yet you support God's "judgement" killing of all those people. That seems like a conflict to me. On the one hand, killing is wrong, and on the other hand its okay to kill on the order of an angry God.

Makes no sense at all to me.

Well, that's a big no-no in Christianity. You're not supposed to live with someone outside of wedlock. That would be highly frowned upon by any Christian Church or society.

If the religion had actually suggested such wise things then it would be a totally different religion.

Show me in the Bible where the wisdom of living together before marrying is laid out. Did Jesus suggest this?

I can't imagine it being in the Old Testament.

This is news to me. Sounds to me like you're once again trying to make up your own religion and call that "Christianity".

You seem to have just fallen in love with Jesus. You apparently don't like the God of the Old Testament and basically dismiss most of his attitude and behaviors save for the prejudices that you would like to personally support.

I'd say that you are indeed a thoroughly modern "Designer Christian".

I imagine as you grow older you'll eventually see the futility of it and move on to religions that will actually support some of your better views.

I'm not sure if you're aware of it but Wicca has you beat on this idea of living together for a trial-period before actual marriage. They call it Hand-fasting.

They take an oath to live together as "husband and wife" for a year-and-a-day. They are not supposed to have children during this trial period, not even become pregnant during this trial period.

So the idea is that they are either practicing abstinence or have a whole lot of faith in their planned parenthood methods.

In any case, after the year is up they decide whether they want to marry for a longer period of time or not.

I personally think that's a great idea. And I fully support it. But that kind of "wisdom" doesn't come from the Bible. The Bible simply doesn't contain that kind of wisdom. The Bible is pretty devoid of that kind of wisdom.

If the Biblical stories actually contained that kind of wisdom they might be worthy of consideration. But they don't. And that's just the fact of it.

That. To go even further, the Bible says God is all merciful, all forgiving, and yet.....He goes around and does this? There's another contradiction.

That's why I said I'm not judging anyone, just making a general note of the situation. It is not any of my business weather these people are Christians or not.

And no, religion isn't quite like politics as in your example. They have similarities, yes. But one election one may be a republican, next a democrat, ect. Being a Christian, isn't something you can pick up and then put down later on. It's not a weekend thing, it's not a Sunday thing. It's a lifestyle.

That's the new fad of "Designer Christianity".

Design your own version and then renounce everyone else as not being a "True Christian".

No, you just argue for the sake of arguing. I never once said the bible supported living with someone before marriage. I said it would PROBABLY be a good idea. And living with someone doesn't mean sleeping with that someone.

I noticed a lot of your post mentioned having children and or getting pregnant. What does that have to do with living with one another? Heck, two people that live with one another wouldn't even have to see each other naked if they didn't wish to. Why so fixated on sex?

Well like they say, you can tell the false prophecies by their deeds.

Thus the biblical prophecies must be false.

Makes perfect sense if you look at it that way.

I never claimed that you did say that was in the Bible. On the contrary I was actually pointing out the fact that what you think is WISE, isn't even in the Bible at all.



Look who's talking!

You're the one who gets all bent out of shape when we suggest that same-gender marriage should be legal.

Why are YOU so fixated on sex?

No one says that same gender couples need to even see each other naked if they don't want to.

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Also my mention about having children or getting pregnant wasn't actually a concern about "sex", but rather a concern about the couple having children before they decided whether or not they are right for each other in the long term.

You can't very well have "trial marriage", have kids during that time, and then decide you want to break up. That would be unwise as a practical matter and not good for the kids.

Whether people have sex or not is totally irrelevant to me. But what IS relevant is whether or not they have children. And that was the concern that I was addressing.

"....The Canaanites were an evil culture, so much so that

the Bible says they nauseated God.

They were into brutality, incest ,cruel distruction,

bestiality, and even child sacrifices by fire.



Canaanites were a destructive forceful people who intented

to completely annihilate the Israelites.



God gave the Canaanites over 400 years to get right with

God...but they didn't."Genesis 15:13-16)!


http://www.gotquestions.org/Old-Testament-violence.html