It's not about guilt. Why view things in such a negative way? The passion of the Christ was a BEAUTIFUL movie. It's a great gift and a great feat that Jesus did that day for each one of us. It was a gift of eternal life through him and Jesus defeated death that day so you could live on.

You don't like fictional violence eh? Well you watch horror movies? Action packed/bloody movies? At least occasionally? If so, thought you didn't watch fictional violence.

You just proved her point. And again, you are coming off as if you and only you have the truth. You wanna DISCUSS religion, fine. But when you say things like you just did, you are preaching.

??? What are you talking about? No one's preaching, just merely sharing a belief with another. And when discussing, both sides will present their statements in a manner of it being absolutely true. That's kinda how discussions work. It's not renouncing the other's belief, just merely expressing a difference in beliefs. This forum is for sharing one another's beliefs, nothing more, nothing less. Just merely enlightened discussion sharing with one another getting to know each other on a deeper level then just casual talk. We don't have to believe the same as one another, nor is that what is necessarily intended to happen.

You sort of put the onus on her to accept it though when you put it in the manner that you did Cowboy. You really can't get around that.

onus? On who? Also gotta keep in mind where we're discussing. We're not discussing in person emails, face to face, or one to another. This is a forum for the entire Mingle2 community. Things posted/said in this forum are not directed at the person unless it is made apparent with mentioning of names or other possible ways. If that is not done, it is just a general statement to everyone and not directed solely at the person.

And besides that, it doesn't matter to me if one accepts my beliefs or not. They are mine, they aren't theirs, they aren't anyone's but mine. Just here to hear other's beliefs, talk about our different beliefs, edumacate ourselves with their beliefs, and them with our beliefs. No one's right, no one's wrong. Any of the possible "beliefs" could never be proven for a stone cold fact. So it would be pointless to even try something as such. This is a place, again for purely enlightened discussion sharing with one another.

On Jeannie, and either way, it sort of sends a message, that this is a beautiful thing, and you'd be foolish not to accept it, and all of that.

Never said anything a long any lines of it being foolish not to accept it. And beauty is merely an opinion, there is nothing factual about beauty. What one sees as beauty another may see as absolutely gross. It is again, just expressing my opinion on the matter at hand. If one doesn't see something beautiful as I do, or I as they do, that is absolutely fine. We all have our own opinions on different things.

Ok fine, but what makes you think then that you hold the truth and they don't? How exactly do you know?

What are you talking about? You speak like we're competing for something. I have faith that what I believe is true, nothing more, nothing less. There is no real physical way to prove any form of beliefs. It is all believed under faith. It boils around what one wishes to put faith in. You can put faith in whatever you wish to put faith in and I'll put faith in whatever I wish to put faith in. No one's right, no one's wrong. Just differences in choices and desires. No one's trying to change another's beliefs or anything a long those lines as you present it as what is being done. It's not, we're just discussing and sharing out different beliefs.

there are conscious and subconscious choices, I think its hard to have discussion about 'brainwashing' because people so often use the term in broad terms to define beliefs that dont make sense to 'them' but that others adhere to

for instance, I believe people are BRAINWASHED into thinking sex is a mandatory and natural requirement for all adults and all fomrs of sex are equally 'normal' if they are consented to,,,

I do understand why these things are not litigated by law, but I dont understand all the different sexual tastes people are coaxed into believing are fine so long as it pleases them and their partner

now, I know no real BRAINWASHING occurred, but the phrase has come to basically mean that a person has had a preponderence of persuasion towards one belief over others,,,

In fact, I tend to think of true BRAINWASHING as washing previous beliefs CLEAN to replace them with new ones,,,meaning someone growing up with a belief wouldnt be brainwashed but someone persuaded and coaxed later into changing that belief would be,,,

The thing of it is, you tend to hold the Bible over our heads as the ultimate authority basically, and that you cannot not accept it or it's savior, and still be saved in the end. That is still preaching, if you wanna say what you just said, by all means do. But your words need to back them up, and to my estimation they don't.

Jeedism or is it Jedism? It is a religion or recognized as one here in the states. I think they have 1 or 2 million followers???

Anyway I could imagine they use mind control at times. lol

May the force be with you.

Actually it is a very interesting concept to believe in if you ever read about it. I am not saying join or anything, but as a free thinker I tend to always read all kinds of ideas that our imaginations come up with. It is our way of reaching out wanting to know.

A good book on it is

Star Wars and Philosophy - More powerful than you can possibly imagine

Don't worry it is the philosophy behind the "good energy and bad energy" or better said "good force and bad force".

Energy = Vibrations

You will be surprised how many people believe in this!

Anyway it is written and edited by Kevin S. Decker and Jason T. Eberl

Now with a wave of my hand....your mind is controlled to go look and find out more about the book.

May the force be with you!

Not holding the bible over anyone's heads nor again am I preaching. I state my belief(s), you state yours, we go our separate ways. Do you know the concept of sharing? That's what we are doing here in this forum, showing our beliefs with one another. Not trying to win anyone over to our beliefs, not preaching, not anything but sharing and discussing.

All anything anyone says in here is purely what they believe, there is absolutely no absolute complete way to "prove" a spiritual belief. One can't even absolutely prove without a doubt there is such a thing as a spirit. This is a forum for sharing, that is all that's happening. If I say Jesus is the only way to God, but you don't believe as such, that is fine. That is our different beliefs, that is what makes us human, our differences. But again, no one's preaching, just merely sharing our inner most beliefs of God or lack there of.

Good, because I don't feel the slightest bit guilty. If anyone died so that I could live on, I thank them very much. Now if you don't mind, I'll get on with "living on."

Torturing someone and nailing him to a cross is not a "beautiful" thing, its violence. I don't like violent movies. Why you think it has anything to do with me 'living on' I haven't a clue.

The Passion was actually a play that was performed for audiences on a stage long before the time of Jesus. The writers of the fiction of the New Testament used that play for their fictional story about their savior. I guess if there really was a savior of mankind, the story just wasn't exciting enough, they had to borrow the idea from a play.

Considering that criminals were "crossed" or "poled" depending on your belief, in the old days it would make more sense that Jesus was a criminal who died for his criminal activity. That is not anything to feel guilty about. Well apart from not approving of the death penalty.

But I like to think that there was a good man named Jesus who did good work for other humans and traveled doing it. And that is what started the exaggerated version told later. As to the movie it was just a continuation of the story told.

As to the mind controlling methods used by parent to "brow beat" the belief into the children, it is rather disgusting when you can see it objectively.

There can be no question that Christianity is a brainwashing cult, its historically undeniable.

Besides the God depicted in their scriptures is pathetic. Jesus alone, on his own, might have had the potential to become a half-decent religion. But the Christian view of Jesus creates a "god" that could be nothing less than a demon. Especially in the hands of modern Christian proselytizers. They love to use Jesus to spread religious hatred, bigotry, and intolerance. They love to make Jesus into a monster. They love to use Jesus for hate.

Ironically even Jesus himself warned against such wolves and false prophets who would preach in his name.

Just because someone claims to be "spreading the word" of Jesus doesn't make it so. Especially if it's obvious that they can only twist words attributed to him into hate speech and can never do anything other than that.

You can be assured that anyone who uses Jesus to spread religious intolerance is a fool, and they can't possible be representing Jesus himself.

Truly.

Any supposed "God" who would condone such an action would be one sick puppy. There is absolutely no sanity in it whatsoever. There is nothing "beautiful" about it. It's nothing other than sick demented perversion.

The people who support this sort of thing are probably hoping that Satan turns out to be God, because this kind of sick demented thing is only suitable for a demon.

You'd have to be a sick demented mind to see such a thing as being "beautiful".

Web definitions
The term mind control (also known as brainwashing, coercive persuasion, thought control, or thought reform) refers to a process in which a group or individual systematically uses unethically manipulative methods to persuade others to conform to the wishes of the manipulator(s), often to the detriment of the person being manipulated".

The term has been applied to any tactic, psychological or otherwise, which can be seen as subverting an individual's sense of control over their own thinking, behavior, emotions or decision making


I suppose religion can and has been used in the latter form, as has patriotism and 'academia'

the former definition probalby happens much less often, as teaching our children values and standards is not 'unethical' in and of itself and no more 'unethical' if it comes from cultural standards of our community or from our religion or from our politics,, its quite natural to pass down what we feel is the best of ourselves to our children


I dont think this defines the INTENTION behind any of these things as much as it does define the CHARACTER of those who use it in such a way,,,

LOL

And most of the mind controlled do not know they are or have been mind controlled at all.

They just believe "it is how it is".