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Religion -
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. If that is how you define religion, then, nope. Mine is not a religion. My belief boils down to a very simple concept. The kingdom of heaven is within. God has its being in and through me. (I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm going to assume its the same for all.) |
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Also repeating this one last time: Religion is man reaching up to God. Relationship is God reaching down to man. There is no "up" and "down." No.....we just forsake religion,because we now have a relationship....but it takes the bible (WORD) to lead one to relationship. It does not take the Bible to lead one to a relationship with God. God comes through from within. |
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MorningSong
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Sun 05/22/11 11:44 PM
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According to the Bible:
Sin Separates us from God. Jesus Reconnects us back with God. ONLY thru BELIEVING AND RECEIVING JESUS INTO OUR HEARTS , can we be brought back into RELATIONSHIP with GOD...just like it was in the beginning, Jeannie. ps...like your new profile pic. http://www.exchangedlife.com/Sermons/topical/askBelieveReceive.shtml |
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Also repeating this one last time: Religion is man reaching up to God. Relationship is God reaching down to man. There is no "up" and "down." No.....we just forsake religion,because we now have a relationship....but it takes the bible (WORD) to lead one to relationship. It does not take the Bible to lead one to a relationship with God. God comes through from within. No indeed not, and really doesn't it totally limit an unlimited being to say that the ONLY way, to reach God and have a relationship with the Almighty is through this ONE book? If God is so big, how can we say that he can't or won't reach out in other ways? There's a whole big universe out there, and yet he can only come through this? It doesn't work. |
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Kleisto
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Sun 05/22/11 11:22 PM
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According to the Bible: Sin separates us from God. Jesus reconnects us back to God. The Bible can say a lot of things, but it doesn't automatically make it true. If I said that......the Book of Joe said that only if you know Joe can you be saved would you believe me? I also like your new pic incidentally, very pretty. |
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Jeanniebean
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Sun 05/22/11 11:50 PM
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According to the Bible: Sin Separates us from God. Jesus Reconnects us back with God. ONLY thru BELIEVING AND RECEIVING JESUS INTO OUR HEARTS , can we be brought back into RELATIONSHIP with GOD...just like it was in the beginning, Jeannie. ps...like your new profile pic. Thanks Morningsong. I took that picture on May 20, 2011. I'm going to let my hair grow long. I will post new pics as it grows. I already have a personal relationship with God. I am not separated from God as God is within me. What you believe (and preach)"according to the Bible" is not what I believe. That is according to the Bible, a book, written by men. The word of God comes from within. It is not in a book. |
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Jeanniebean
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Sun 05/22/11 11:57 PM
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According to the Bible: Sin separates us from God. Jesus reconnects us back to God. The Bible can say a lot of things, but it doesn't automatically make it true. If I said that......the Book of Joe said that only if you know Joe can you be saved would you believe me? I also like your new pic incidentally, very pretty. Thanks. The gospel of Gloria says that the kingdom of heaven is within. The gospel of Gloria says look within for the word. The gospel of Gloria says God lives and has Its being in you and me. |
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Keep Seeking Truth for Yourself,as You Are Doing, Kliesto.. and when you find Truth , you will KNOW. Ask God to SHOW You...go directly to Him in Prayer. God Will never lead You Astray. But Man can .... |
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According to the Bible: Sin separates us from God. Jesus reconnects us back to God. The Bible can say a lot of things, but it doesn't automatically make it true. If I said that......the Book of Joe said that only if you know Joe can you be saved would you believe me? I also like your new pic incidentally, very pretty. Thanks. The book of Gloria says that the kingdom of heaven is within. The book of Gloria says look within for the word. The book of Gloria says God lives and has Its being in you and me. True...... ((((((Jeannie))))) |
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Keep Seeking Truth for Yourself,as You Are Doing, Kliesto.. and when you find Truth , you will KNOW. Ask God to SHOW You...go directly to Him in Prayer. God Will never lead You Astray. But Man can .... That is why I don't listen to "man." (Man wrote the Bible.) Only listen to the word from within. This is the inner scripture. |
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Religion -
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. If that is how you define religion, then, nope. Mine is not a religion. My belief boils down to a very simple concept. The kingdom of heaven is within. God has its being in and through me. (I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm going to assume its the same for all.) But yet, it is a belief in a God, so therefore is a religion. Again, may not be an "organized" religion such as, Christianity, Buddhism, Catholicism, ect ect. But is in fact a religion in general. A sport is something, it may contain but not limited to Football, Baseball, Basketball, ect. Sport is the same form of title as religion. They both are just a general explanation of what is being talked about. |
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Also repeating this one last time: Religion is man reaching up to God. Relationship is God reaching down to man. There is no "up" and "down." No.....we just forsake religion,because we now have a relationship....but it takes the bible (WORD) to lead one to relationship. It does not take the Bible to lead one to a relationship with God. God comes through from within. You are correct, it does not take the bible to have a relationship with God. The bible is merely knowledge of and about our god. How can one have a relationship with something/someone they know not of? |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 05/23/11 12:26 AM
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HOLY BIBLE..not just written by man
but divinely inspired and powerful. words so powerful that when received they are able to give new life. The Word of God offers hope for the hopeless living water for the thirsty soul and spiritual food for the hungry. http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-the-Bible.html |
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Keep Seeking Truth for Yourself,as You Are Doing, Kliesto.. and when you find Truth , you will KNOW. Ask God to SHOW You...go directly to Him in Prayer. God Will never lead You Astray. But Man can .... That is why I don't listen to "man." (Man wrote the Bible.) Only listen to the word from within. This is the inner scripture. I'm of the mindset, that if something doesn't make much sense no matter how many times you try to make it make sense, there's a reason for it. I've reached a place, where the Bible, Christianity and organized religion simply stopped making sense to me anymore, and even if I wanted it to make sense, it still doesn't. So......I am trusting my instincts on this one. If you really listen to what your heart, your spirit is saying, you won't be steered wrong in my estimation. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Mon 05/23/11 12:20 AM
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Also repeating this one last time: Religion is man reaching up to God. Relationship is God reaching down to man. There is no "up" and "down." No.....we just forsake religion,because we now have a relationship....but it takes the bible (WORD) to lead one to relationship. It does not take the Bible to lead one to a relationship with God. God comes through from within. You are correct, it does not take the bible to have a relationship with God. The bible is merely knowledge of and about our god. How can one have a relationship with something/someone they know not of? Are you trying to insinuate that you can't know God without the Bible? Cause that is just ridiculous, if you are truly seeking to feel the presence of the divine, no matter who you are, where you are or what you do or do not believe in, you will feel that, you will find it. Seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you. You don't need a book to seek nor to find. That again is limiting the unlimited. |
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Also repeating this one last time: Religion is man reaching up to God. Relationship is God reaching down to man. There is no "up" and "down." No.....we just forsake religion,because we now have a relationship....but it takes the bible (WORD) to lead one to relationship. It does not take the Bible to lead one to a relationship with God. God comes through from within. You are correct, it does not take the bible to have a relationship with God. The bible is merely knowledge of and about our god. How can one have a relationship with something/someone they know not of? Are you trying to insinuate that you can't know God without the Bible? Cause that is just ridiculous, if you are truly seeking to feel the presence of the divine, no matter who you are, where you are or what you do or do not believe in, you will feel that, you will find it. Seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you. You don't need a book to seek nor to find. That again is limiting the unlimited. Absolutely not insinuating that in any possible way. You can not know God just through the bible. Knowing God is a personal relationship. It is you and God one on one. Again, the bible is merely a tiny bit of the knowledge of God, our history, and the future. Doesn't give us all the knowledge there would be for and about God, just a itty tiny little bit. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 05/23/11 01:25 AM
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The Bible is deep and powerful and full of ALL Wisdom
Knowledge and Truth ... and has an Answer for every Question man has ever asked or ever will ask. Not just a mere book of just an" itty tiny little bit" of knowledge , Cowboy. The Bible IS the Inerrant God Breathed Holy Spirit Inspired Living Word of God. That Bible is God's Love Letter to mankind. Gives us directions and info on how to Understand and Know God. And Come back Home to God. Also, thru the Word, is How Faith in God Comes. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. How do we Hear about God? Thru HIS Word ( Bible}. Sure , one can hear and believe in God without the bible(God can use ministering angels if he has to )... but normally, God speaks to us thru His Word called the Bible , in order that we may be able to learn of Him . And KNOW Him. The Bible. No other book like it in the whole world. Have to run now....Be Blessed . |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 05/23/11 02:05 AM
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 05/23/11 10:08 AM
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The Bible is deep and powerful and full of ALL Wisdom Knowledge and Truth ... and has an Answer for every Question man has ever asked or ever will ask. Not just a mere book of just an" itty tiny little bit" of knowledge , Cowboy. The Bible IS the Inerrant God Breathed Holy Spirit Inspired Living Word of God. Who says? If you want to believe that mornigsong, this is for you to believe. It is not true for everyone. It is your belief. The Bible was written by men. It was NOT channeled. You say it has the answer to any question man has ever asked or will ask. That's so absurd it borders on insanity. Sure it can be interpreted any way anyone wants to interpret it. In that regard I can show people my Tarot Deck and say that it was created by God through me and it has the answer to any question man has ever asked or will ask if only they can read and understand it. So what you are saying is your strong belief. I can believe the same thing about my Tarot Deck. It was, after all, inspired by God through me. That's a fact because God lives and has Its being IN ME. That Bible is God's Love Letter to mankind. Gives us directions and info on how to Understand and Know God. And Come back Home to God. Also, thru the Word, is How Faith in God Comes. For you perhaps that is true. But that is not true for me. My faith comes from within and from my understanding of universal law. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. How do we Hear about God? Thru HIS Word ( Bible}. Sure , one can hear and believe in God without the bible(God can use ministering angels if he has to )... but normally, God speaks to us thru His Word called the Bible , in order that we may be able to learn of Him . And KNOW Him. The Bible. No other book like it in the whole world. Have to run now....Be Blessed . Cowboy I want you to read the above and below written by Morningsong. That is what I consider "worship" of the Bible. The Bible IS the Inerrant God Breathed Holy Spirit Inspired
Living Word of God. Yes, people worship the book. |
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Cowboy wrote:
You are correct, it does not take the bible to have a relationship with God. The bible is merely knowledge of and about our god. How can one have a relationship with something/someone they know not of? You just contradicted yourself right there. This demonstrates that you have no capacity for logic or reason. First, you claim that it does not take the bible to have a relationship with God. In other words we don't need to recognize Jesus as the son of God or anything, because all of that comes from the Bible. That's the ONLY place it can be found. But then you claim that the Bible is "merely" knowledge of and about our God. And you go on to ask how a person can have a relationship with something/someone they know not of. But Jeanniebean, and many others have tried to explain to you that they know of God from within, not from rumors made by ancient Hebrews. If you first claim is true, "It does not take the bible to have a relationship with God, then you must stand by that. But you don't, you then go on to claim that the bible is knowledge of and about our God, which many people feel is totally false. The biblical stories depict a sick-demented picture of a God who doesn't have the wisdom of a barroom drunkard. How could that be a picture of 'our God'. A person would truly need to think very little of 'our God' to believe that the bible is a correct description of God. In fact, as far as I'm concerned it's impossible for the bible to be a correct description of God because the biblical picture of God is an oxymoron. On the one hand it claims that God is all-wise, all-powerful, and all intelligent, and on the other hand it has this God doing utterly unwise, powerless, and unintelligent things. How can you claim to "know" a character that is being described that has totally untrustworthy and contradicting traits. You can't. Therefore it's impossible to use the Bible to "know" the "God" that is being depicted within. On the contrary the only way anyone can truly know any real creator is to totally renounce the Bible FIRST. Only then can they be freed from the false claims and rumors of the ancient Hebrews, to look within themselves to come to know the "True God". The bible can only serve as a distraction from the truth. That book only serves to create religious bigots. It has no spiritual value at all. |
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