Exactly.

In fact people who claim that a person can only know God through the bible are either claiming that God is DEAD, and therefore a book is the only way to know something of God, or they are claiming that they are so far removed and separated from God, that the only way they know of to find out about God is to read someone else's opinions about God, (i.e. the Bible).

People who truly know God have no use for any hearsay rumors because they know the TRUTH from within. They are in LIVE contact with God and have no need for hearsay rumors from people who probably weren't even in touch with the source of all creation.

So the question truly comes down to whether we want to worship ancient hearsay rumors about God (that probably have nothing at all to do with God), or whether we should turn to God directly (within) and have a genuine live interaction with God directly.

People who worship the Bible have obviously given up on ever knowing God for real. They either feel that God is dead, or they feel that they are so far removed and separated from God that they have no hope of ever communing with God directly.

Worshiping something like the bible is a DEAD END for hopeless people, IMHO.

That's right. If God can inspire men 2000 years ago to write scripture, then there is no logical reason God could not do the same today.

I believe God does this.

Many people are inspired by God. God lives and has ITS being in its creation. To cling to a book written by even less conscious people in a 2000 year gone society is pathetic. (and sad)

It is as if people think that God has left them and that God once walked the earth and then left them. They are all alone and they cling to a book written about him and they hope and pray that their God will come back to them.

Its like a poor little child who's daddy left and they sit waiting at the window with the false hope that he will come back.

Get on with your life and stop waiting for God to come back and save you.

God didn't create man,man created God through a book i totally agree with jean and abra about the bible is being the only way to know God,but i don't believe in god period so i won't even waste my time to try to get to know him/her/it through other means.

The government actually is a figment of people's imagination. It does not exist in the natural world. It's little more than a cult.

Government is made up purely on a whim, based on cultural and personal biases. Then, it is forced upon people through violence, the threat of violence, and propaganda.

I understand the skepticism, but just because the Bible is utter BS, doesn't mean God doesn't exist. It just means that the Bible version is false.

The reason I believe in God is because I exist.

Doe this make sense to anyone?

I think so, you're basically saying someone had to create you before you could be here yes?

No, I was not "created." (I was born.)

But I do exist.
From nothing. From light and sound and star dust, I manifested.

That itself is a miracle.
The life that is in me..... is God.

IT IS THE FORCE OF LIFE AND CONSCIOUSNESS MANIFEST...in me.

Absolutely. If I'm going to believe that God would bother talking with Moses, or Noah, or Job, or anyone one else, then why wouldn't I believe that God could talk to me? Why should I put myself down, and place myself beneath these other characters?

There is no reason why I should feel that I'm not good enough for God. That's hogwash.

Also these people who try to make out like as if Jesus had done something special by supposedly forfeiting his own life to save the world must be pretty pathetic people.

Why should that be so special? Who wouldn't do that?

The people who would do it shouldn't be immortalized as being so great, but instead the people who wouldn't be willing to do it should be viewed as selfish cowards.

So as far as I'm concerned even if Jesus has supposed given his life to 'save the world' then he wouldn't have done anything greater than I would have done myself.

But that's totally missing the point!

The point has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus. The point has to do with a demented sick God who would require a bloody gory sacrifice before he could forgive people in the first place.

If I had to sacrifice myself to a God in order to "save" humanity from the God. Who would have been the hero in that case? Well, clearly it would have been me! NOT the God. The God would have been the jerk I would have been saving all humanity FROM.

This is why the story of Jesus as the "sacrificial lamb of God" makes no sense. If Jesus sacrificed himself to appease God then the God would be the villain.

On the other hand, if we think like MorningSong that Jesus was this God sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself, that just becomes mentally ill.

What kind of a God would require such an insane thing?

There is no way the story can be made to make any sense, and it's truly disgusting that people exist today who continually support these sick notions.

They attempt to belittle the human spirit by demanding that everyone isn't good enough for God in the first place.

And they try to make out like Jesus did something super miraculous that no human would ever consider doing for his fellow mankind. Yet, that's utterly absurd. We see mortal men risking and even giving their lives for the sake of humanity, or even for their mere family and neighbors all the time.

Jesus has no leg up on anything that many mortal humans would do.

How many Christians are willing to say that they would not give their lives to save humanity? And if they are willing to give their life to save humanity, then how can they speak about Jesus as though he was any better than them? If they are willing to do precisely the same thing, then the are equivalent to Jesus.

And if they aren't willing to do the same thing, then shame on them!

Yes. I know in my heart of hearts that there are so many unsung heroes who died for others. And they were not "gods." Yet heroes they were.

And they did it cause it was the right thing, not because a petty God demanded it.

Right. We are called humans, not Gods. Our lives mean a lot to us. In general, we have no idea if we can conquer death.

Well, that's the problem with the whole story right there.

Jesus supposedly died to "pay" for people's sins.

But who was "paid"?

That's the big question.

If Satan was "paid" then that give Satan POWER and implies that God had to appease Satan. We can't have God sacrificing his son to Satan in an act of desperation because that would imply that God is desperate and powerless over Satan.

On the other hand, if it is God himself who is being "paid" that ultimately turns out to be sicker than sick. So that makes no sense either.

Before it makes sense for someone to need to sacrifice themselves to save others there needs to be an "enemy" to defeat. Typically in mortal situations that's when sacrifices are made, the "enemy" is either some evil regime, or possible the forces of nature, or disease, or some other situations which humans are "helpless" to stop outside of making a sacrifice.

But a God who requires a sacrifice made to himself before he can forgive people makes no sense. There is no 'enemy' that needs to be overcome.

So it makes no sense for a supposedly "all-powerful" God to need to make any sacrifices at all.

So the whole story is an oxymoron. It flies in the very face of the idea of a supposedly all-righteous all-powerful God. You can't have a God who is both all-righteous and all-powerful in dire need of blood sacrifices before he can do something.

This whole ideology cannot be justified nor rationalized. Therefore it must be false. It's as simple as that. Stick it on the shelf next to Greek Mythology and move on.

It was the alien god, the slavemaster who made the law:

"the wages of sin is death."

Jeannie..Christians Worship GOD .

NOT the Bible.

We Worship The GOD of the Bible.


Jeannie....It is the WORD of GOD WITHIN THE PAGES of the BIBLE

that is HOLY ,

NOT the material the Bible is printed on.


We are NOT to worship or idolize the Bible.

We are to WORSHIP GOD ONLY.


The Bible POINTS us to JESUS...and TEACHES us about WHO HE IS.


THE BIBLE COMMUNICATES GOD'S WORD TO US,

IN ORDER THAT WE MAY BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW WHO GOD IS .


AND AS WE LEARN MORE AND MORE ABOUT WHO GOD IS

THRU HIS WORD,

WE GROW MORE AND MORE IN THE WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE AND

UNDERSTANDING OF WHO GOD IS.

WE WORSHIP GOD.

ONLY.

I know you think you don't worship the Bible. (You do call it "holy")
But in my eyes, it looks to me like worship. The 'word of God' is not in the pages of the Bible. All that is in there is ink and symbols and written stories.... sorry. That's what I see and thats what I believe.

Seeing is believing.

Only in the mind of someone who has tilted reality to conform to the twisted view that they have.

Government is a man made creation designed to address the good of all.
Whether it accomplishes this or not can be debated but it is very real.

I don't feel threatened by the government. But I do monitor the government and address issues with the government as needed.

The bible is a book written by men of fables of what they perceive a god may be like along with other stories.

It was not intended to be worshiped or teach worship or explain god even. It was some mens idealized stories of a god. And then someone got the stories together but altered them and took out some of the stories that did not fit their agenda and put them all together and killed people who didn't follow it as a holy book of god in order to make people do what they wanted them to do.

Interesting, no one worships the bible. And you know for a fact that these are just mens stories of a God? You know for a fact they were altered to fit? And how do you know this? What proof do you have to support such a claim? And if anyone was killed, not saying they weren't, but if someone was killed for not believing in the bible, that right there would automatically be totally against the teachings of the bible. So the incidents of such happening and the bible can not be related with one another.

A lot of people are terrified, even in this day and age, to question the Bible or question their pastor's words. I have seen this a lot.

You say you don't 'worship' the Bible and yet I have heard many "god fearing' people accuse people of worshiping money.

People don't worship money.

Anyway, if you think you don't worship the Bible, then stop holding it up as the greatest book ever written.

It's NOT.