Does it really matter why he did it? The fact is, he did it, and it's far from the work of any divine being.

They were murdered. Plain and simple. They were invaded by an army who wanted their homes and their vineyards. This was a massive home invasion. They were murdered. Stop making excuses for this genocide.

And for Morningsong, FYI throughout history, armies have been told and totally convinced that their enemy was "evil" so that they could murder them in good conscience.

That is propaganda. That is bull crap that I don't buy.

So how else was one to display their love for God without a doubt? Words are just words and can be said any time, so just them telling God they love him wouldn't work. A person's feelings for someone/something changes at time faster then I blink my eyes, so God couldn't just see into the hearts of someone and get an accurate reading of this. So, I'm asking you to tell me how God could have made it to where people could have displayed their love for him, also keep in mind the day and age this was done.

Alright, then I wish to make the same deal with you as I offered another in this discussion. I think we should find all the judges, executioners, and everyone associated with the execution(s) and put them all in prison for murder. Since a judgment and murder is the exact same thing.

It's reminiscent of Bush saying God told him to go to war. Pretty much the same thing. One can claim till the cows come home that God told them to do this or that, but doesn't make it true.

If the best one can do to appease a "loving" God is a blood sacrifice, I'd seriously question the divinity of such a being. Surely that can't be the only way, and if it is, that God has big problems.

Furthermore, if God is all knowing and all seeing, why can't he see in the heart of a person and be able to tell whether they are sincere or not. Is that not a contradiction if he can't?

Men don't have one less rib than women. This is false.

The best way to test this belief is to compare a male's skeleton with a female's. When you do this, you find that men and women have 12 pairs of ribs each.

Exactly. Bush claimed that God told him to go to war. He also called his enemy EVIL to justify the killing.

This is bull crap. I don't buy it now and I don't buy it in the Biblical sense.

COWBOY TRY TO LEARN SOMETHING.

George W. Bush made the same claim as Joshua did to his army. That the enemy was evil. That God told them to do this or that. Blah blah blah.... the idiots believed him.

So what we have here are idiots following their idiot leader into battle murdering so-called "evil" people. George Bush's idiots dropped bombs on schools and hospitals. Yes indeed he did. It was called "SHOCK AND AWE."

The enemy left their tanks, dropped their guns, took off their uniforms and disappeared into society to pretend to be civilians.

They were called "the resistance." They were resisting the invasion.

But the term "resistance" was soon changed because it holds the energy of heroes who are defending their country from invasion. So they changed the name to "insurgents."

And the war continues. Americans are killed by people who are resisting the invasion. People get angry when Americans are killed and they want to bomb the entire country. But Americans are killed because they are INVADING ANOTHER COUNTRY.

So Saddam was a bad guy. So was Moses, so was Joshua. They were tyrants. Did you know that Saddam was trained and supported by the CIA and Turkey? They groomed him to kill and the current dictator of Irac. He succeeded. He was supported by us for the longest time, until he did not do what we wanted him to do with the oil. That's when we decided to invade. Our trained dictator was being a bad boy. Now he is labled "EVIL"

When will people LEARN???


The ignorance of the general public about these things astounds me. Its frustrating.

Unfortunately people I don't think will learn until it's far too late, they'll have to wake up sooner or later. Not much can be done to help those who don't want it though. (hugs)

I dont feel like reading this whole thread, but who said men have one less rib than a woman?

cowboy

Truly Dragoness.

Cowboy's position here doesn't even deserve an intelligent reply.

Anyone who has convinced themselves that the only way to display their love for God without a doubt is to murder heathens with no mercy should be a list of potential terrorists.

In fact, isn't that what Osama Bin Laden did? He planned the destruction of the twin towers and the killing of thousands of people, in an effort to display his love and devotion to his "God". Basically the very same God that Cowboy is attempting to support.

They both worship the same fundamental mythological God who instructs people to mass murder heathens.



Like I say, that kind of talk could potentially get someone listed as a potential threat to humanity.

There is no justification in the mass murdering of anyone Cowboy.

Calling it a "judgment" does not justify it. I'm sure that's precisely what Osama Bin Laden was thinking as well. It's not murder if you're simply doing the will of "God".

If we're going to give Jesus any religious merit, we're going to need to separate him from the Old Testament God entirely.

This is why an understanding of Mahayana Buddhism and the idea that Jesus was most likely a Jewish Buddhist is important. Not meant to imply that Mahayana Buddhism represents truth, but simply to recognize that this is probably the philosophy that Jesus himself was most closely associated with.

Using Jesus to support and condone those old Biblical stories can never work. Those stories are in direct conflict with what Jesus supposedly stood for.

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do"

That was the position of Jesus. So Jesus would not have condoned the mass murdering of the Canaanites and therefore he could not have been associated with the same God of those ancient biblical fables claim.

Something's got to give. The only way to "Save" Jesus is to recognize that he was most likely a Mahayana Buddhist and was simply crucified for his views. Trying to hold him up as the sacrificial lamb of God and the appointed single personified "God on a Cloud Judge" of all humanity simply can't be supported.

That's your Zeus-like "God on a Cloud" scenario.

To have Jesus being the sole personified judge of humanity is to personify Jesus as a Zeus-like God sitting on a cloud.

There's no getting around it. Yet you seem to object to that mentality yourself. You try to make fun of me when I suggest that the Biblical God has been personified as a Zeus-like type of God, yet that's precisely the image that you're attempting to support.

Jesus is the Zeus-like Judge now. According to you.

And now you're suggesting that the best way to show your devotion and love for him is to do something horrible in order to impress him.

That's scary.

I have a question. What do our seargeants and captains do in times of war?

do our soldiers follow those commands to 'impress' a captain or out of a sense of allegiance and responsibility for a 'people' that need protection from harm or evil(a word I dont particularly throw around but use in a general sense here)

Cowboy, there is LIFE in the Blood...

When Jesus shed his blood, he gave his LIFE for us.

iin other words, it's not about "protein" as you mentioned in an

earlier post...

(the isrealites did not

eat bloody food...they ate Kosher food}.

Also..you mention rewards again....it's not about rewards...

but obedience .

We didn't and don't EARN anything....

God freely GAVE to those who asked , trusted and obeyed Him.....

just as He also freely gives to those today who ask, trust,

and obey Him.

Salvation is a FREE gift of grace..not something earned.

I know none of us know everything...but just wanted to point

that out.....


I thoroughly check out links before sharing here....

the links below , line up with the Word of God correctly.


http://www.gotquestions.org/Christianity-bloody.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/blood-sacrifice.html]

http://www.gotquestions.org/animal-sacrifices.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/blood-of-Christ.html

What difference would it make what humans do in a military?

An all-powerful God would have no need to run a military. Especially for the purposes of dealing with so-called "sinners".

Sergeants and Captains in the military are supposed to carry out their missions in the most efficient way possible whilst simultaneously taking into consideration the optimum safety of their own troops. It's probably best if they don't even bother to think about why they are doing it. They made that decision already before they joined the military.

However, as far as I'm concerned to even remotely compare a supposedly all-wise and all-powerful God with a military situation is already ludicrous, IMHO.

The only reason that humans engage in such activities is because they feel that they have NO CHOICE in the matter. Either conduct their wars or be enslaved by the other side, is usually the motivation. Although, sometimes the motivation is actually based on GREED, like for the Hebrews. They wanted the land that the Canaanites were living on.

Any God who would need to resort to playing war games to achieve his desired results would be just as inept and powerless as mortal men.

So the very idea of a God who's engaged in "wars" is already an ungodly idea as far as I'm concerned. Comparing that situation with a situation that mortal men get themselves into is simply a comparison that is unworthy of consideration as far as I'm concerned.

Men do what they do out of desperation and their inability to solve situations "wisely".

Why should that ever apply to a "God"?

I'm not sure what your question has to do with murdering people for God.

The military is like a machine. The ideal military is a machine that follows orders without question. Unfortunately, if your commanding officer tells you to wipe out a village of women and children because they are providing aid and comfort to the "enemy" you are expected to follow orders.

But is that war according to the Geneva convention? I don't think so.
These people, even though they may give comfort to the enemy are civilians. Probably the wives and children of the enemy.



If a soldier feels an order is in violation of his conscience or the Geneva Convention he has a right to disobey that order. He will probably be in trouble for doing so, and he could even be shot. But that is not supposed to happen. He has a right to act in accordance to his conscience.

Sergeants and captains have an objective. They also have orders from the top. They also have the right to decline to obey an order against their conscience, but they will probably get demoted for doing so.

Telling these soldiers that the people they are murdering are "evil" is an outrageous lie concocted by either an idiot or a very bad person.

If this looks like Joshua or Moses, or George Bush, if the shoe fits then they can wear it. Claiming that their orders came from the top or from God is just a lie.

I don't agree with the statement above either....


However... ...

I already know People can make errors on here....people are

human....

not God....

and that is why, instead of going by man's opinions on here,


I always suggest

looking into the Word of God for Oneself.

Instead of arguing over opinions on here....

The Bible is available for all to see and read. If it made any logical sense, then all Christians would agree.

It doesn't. They don't.

So the answer is not in the Bible.

One has to listen to their own common sense.