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 It would have to be one of those really lovely men, Have you read the Twilight series. "Josie" ...isn't that the story about a girl that fell in love with a dead guy that came back and bites people in the neck ...er...you do know that this is starting to explain why you love Jesus isn't Jesus a dead guy that promise to come back to weld the sword of righteousness where the sun don't shine but it's weird how Christian men claim to have fallen in love with Jesus and then claim that God made Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve . No NO No, honestly I dont love the dead guy I love the wherewolf. The dead guy is way pale and did you see him with his shirt off, he almost blinded me.. Nope it has to be the wherewolf. Adam and Steve I am sorry but that is fair dinkum hilarious. So which one is going to suffer the pains of childbirth for eating the apple.  so you love the lycanthrope...hummm does that correspond with a perference pertaining to doggy-style perhaps? as for which of Adam and Steve will suffer the horrors...oops I meant will suffer the pains of Childbirth ...generally the ones that preach the loudest against it are the ones that serectly wish it just ask "Bishop Eddie Long"  Why gosh, doggy style, dont tell me you havent already tried it, of course it is just another style, I have already said i enjoy life why wouldnt i enjy that as long as its with my man, it will be fun.. As for the rest well i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or who Bishop eddie long is..  Bishop Eddie Long was a man of the cloth that was preaching against Adam and Steve while at the same time sending pictures of himself to Steve The poor man, no matter what he does with the rest of his life, everyone will always remember him for that.. thats how people tend to define each other , by the worst of what we do instead of the best,,, Now thiers a truth to ponder Why? maybe because its always easier to focus on other people faults, rather then look at your own. good point. I dont think people should necessarily be able to escape the consequences of their actions, but I do believe it would be better if we learned from those mistakes and continued to promote and aknowledge the good in people instead of allowing the mistakes to ERASE anything good in people yes MsHarmony...perhaps that explain why the church wasn't resporting the priests that were molesting children...why let a couple of brief moment of weakness erase all the other good those preist have done....shame on those children and their parents for not realizing this I think that a lot of churches find it easier to hide it then to own up to someone who is representing them doing horrid things. Really the law should hold anyone responsible who knew or who was informed and didnt act on it. They should be punished the same as the person who did it.. But no normally it is done to children who had no protection and so they could just sweep it under the mat. Very Very yuck.. If asomeone did that to my child, I would happily de-man him..Not that he was really a man to begin with. And I dont think any adult who hurts a child should ever begiven the opportunity again, yep I believe in forgiveness but there is no way you can ever tell if someone has changed and its not worth risking a childs innocence to give someone a chance. They made a concious ( bummer know that word is spelt wrong but have no idea how to spell it) decision to do what they did and as such, their rights should be removed. molesting a child would be no different than any other sin ..all the priest have to do is repent say a couple of Hail Mary's and they are forgiven...this is why the church had no reason to remove them , and why the parisioners have to also forgiven and show them love, because as some have posted in this forum Jesus is the Law and his law is above any Laws of Man... |
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It would have to be one of those really lovely men, Have you read the Twilight series. "Josie" ...isn't that the story about a girl that fell in love with a dead guy that came back and bites people in the neck ...er...you do know that this is starting to explain why you love Jesus isn't Jesus a dead guy that promise to come back to weld the sword of righteousness where the sun don't shine but it's weird how Christian men claim to have fallen in love with Jesus and then claim that God made Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve . No NO No, honestly I dont love the dead guy I love the wherewolf. The dead guy is way pale and did you see him with his shirt off, he almost blinded me.. Nope it has to be the wherewolf. Adam and Steve I am sorry but that is fair dinkum hilarious. So which one is going to suffer the pains of childbirth for eating the apple. so you love the lycanthrope...hummm does that correspond with a perference pertaining to doggy-style perhaps? as for which of Adam and Steve will suffer the horrors...oops I meant will suffer the pains of Childbirth ...generally the ones that preach the loudest against it are the ones that serectly wish it just ask "Bishop Eddie Long" Why gosh, doggy style, dont tell me you havent already tried it, of course it is just another style, I have already said i enjoy life why wouldnt i enjy that as long as its with my man, it will be fun.. As for the rest well i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or who Bishop eddie long is.. Bishop Eddie Long was a man of the cloth that was preaching against Adam and Steve while at the same time sending pictures of himself to Steve The poor man, no matter what he does with the rest of his life, everyone will always remember him for that.. thats how people tend to define each other , by the worst of what we do instead of the best,,, Now thiers a truth to ponder Why? maybe because its always easier to focus on other people faults, rather then look at your own. good point. I dont think people should necessarily be able to escape the consequences of their actions, but I do believe it would be better if we learned from those mistakes and continued to promote and aknowledge the good in people instead of allowing the mistakes to ERASE anything good in people yes MsHarmony...perhaps that explain why the church wasn't resporting the priests that were molesting children...why let a couple of brief moment of weakness erase all the other good those preist have done....shame on those children and their parents for not realizing this I think that a lot of churches find it easier to hide it then to own up to someone who is representing them doing horrid things. Really the law should hold anyone responsible who knew or who was informed and didnt act on it. They should be punished the same as the person who did it.. But no normally it is done to children who had no protection and so they could just sweep it under the mat. Very Very yuck.. If asomeone did that to my child, I would happily de-man him..Not that he was really a man to begin with. And I dont think any adult who hurts a child should ever begiven the opportunity again, yep I believe in forgiveness but there is no way you can ever tell if someone has changed and its not worth risking a childs innocence to give someone a chance. They made a concious ( bummer know that word is spelt wrong but have no idea how to spell it) decision to do what they did and as such, their rights should be removed. molesting a child would be no different than any other sin ..all the priest have to do is repent say a couple of Hail Mary's and they are forgiven...this is why the church had no reason to remove them , and why the parisioners have to also forgiven and show them love, because as some have posted in this forum Jesus is the Law and his law is above any Laws of Man... Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. |
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It would have to be one of those really lovely men, Have you read the Twilight series. "Josie" ...isn't that the story about a girl that fell in love with a dead guy that came back and bites people in the neck ...er...you do know that this is starting to explain why you love Jesus isn't Jesus a dead guy that promise to come back to weld the sword of righteousness where the sun don't shine but it's weird how Christian men claim to have fallen in love with Jesus and then claim that God made Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve . No NO No, honestly I dont love the dead guy I love the wherewolf. The dead guy is way pale and did you see him with his shirt off, he almost blinded me.. Nope it has to be the wherewolf. Adam and Steve I am sorry but that is fair dinkum hilarious. So which one is going to suffer the pains of childbirth for eating the apple. so you love the lycanthrope...hummm does that correspond with a perference pertaining to doggy-style perhaps? as for which of Adam and Steve will suffer the horrors...oops I meant will suffer the pains of Childbirth ...generally the ones that preach the loudest against it are the ones that serectly wish it just ask "Bishop Eddie Long" Why gosh, doggy style, dont tell me you havent already tried it, of course it is just another style, I have already said i enjoy life why wouldnt i enjy that as long as its with my man, it will be fun.. As for the rest well i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or who Bishop eddie long is.. Bishop Eddie Long was a man of the cloth that was preaching against Adam and Steve while at the same time sending pictures of himself to Steve The poor man, no matter what he does with the rest of his life, everyone will always remember him for that.. thats how people tend to define each other , by the worst of what we do instead of the best,,, Now thiers a truth to ponder Why? maybe because its always easier to focus on other people faults, rather then look at your own. good point. I dont think people should necessarily be able to escape the consequences of their actions, but I do believe it would be better if we learned from those mistakes and continued to promote and aknowledge the good in people instead of allowing the mistakes to ERASE anything good in people yes MsHarmony...perhaps that explain why the church wasn't resporting the priests that were molesting children...why let a couple of brief moment of weakness erase all the other good those preist have done....shame on those children and their parents for not realizing this I think that a lot of churches find it easier to hide it then to own up to someone who is representing them doing horrid things. Really the law should hold anyone responsible who knew or who was informed and didnt act on it. They should be punished the same as the person who did it.. But no normally it is done to children who had no protection and so they could just sweep it under the mat. Very Very yuck.. If asomeone did that to my child, I would happily de-man him..Not that he was really a man to begin with. And I dont think any adult who hurts a child should ever begiven the opportunity again, yep I believe in forgiveness but there is no way you can ever tell if someone has changed and its not worth risking a childs innocence to give someone a chance. They made a concious ( bummer know that word is spelt wrong but have no idea how to spell it) decision to do what they did and as such, their rights should be removed. molesting a child would be no different than any other sin ..all the priest have to do is repent say a couple of Hail Mary's and they are forgiven...this is why the church had no reason to remove them , and why the parisioners have to also forgiven and show them love, because as some have posted in this forum Jesus is the Law and his law is above any Laws of Man... Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests |
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Oh bummer mucked up that quote so have taken it off.
Hmmm but realistically for a person who has commited any crime, regardless of how sorry the arr or if they have repented or not, they have still commited the crime. And they should have to follow through with the consequences.. Honestly I dont think it would hurt for the person who you committed the crime agains to be able to hand out some of the punishmnet. Like if your child was abused or molested then what if you where allowed 10 minutes with the person who had done it. With the only exception that you dont break their bones or kill them, that would probably help a lot of parents who's children have been hurt deal with it and get out some of their hurt and anger. And it also wouldnt hurt the person who had done it.. Well thats just my opinion. |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests I think mainly cause sins in general are natural, habit, associated with the community, ect. Lying for instance. If one is not exposed to lies of any kind, that person would not lie. For they would basically not have the knowledge of lying. Habit Sins = "White" lies. Cussing/foul language, ect Natural = Aggressiveness, mainly in the masculine/male side. This results in fighting and things of that nature, pride would be included. The list could go on. This doesn't make it right at all. But it is true. So when something such as molestation, murder, ect are exposed it sticks out. It is out of the ordinary. It's not worse it's not better then any other sin. But it's different. Sticks out like a sore thumb. |
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Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. Cowboy...those priest didn't kill anyone , they molested children...didn't you tell me on more than one occassion how all sin is the same...and didn't you tell me that Jesus was the law...which is why the church did not have to hand those priest over to the law as long as they as you just indicated in the above post earned their forgiveness through faith and repentance |
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Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. Cowboy...those priest didn't kill anyone , they molested children...didn't you tell me on more than one occassion how all sin is the same...and didn't you tell me that Jesus was the law...which is why the church did not have to hand those priest over to the law as long as they as you just indicated in the above post earned their forgiveness through faith and repentance Killing was purely an example on how forgiveness works. One must repent from that action first to receive forgiveness for it. If not, the asking for forgiveness would be in vein for it isn't truly sought after. The priests should have been handed over to the law though. They should have received the punishment as if anyone else would have done it. God has told us to obey man's law. |
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Oh bummer mucked up that quote so have taken it off. Hmmm but realistically for a person who has commited any crime, regardless of how sorry the or or if they have repented or not, they have still commited the crime. And they should have to follow through with the consequences.. Honestly I dont think it would hurt for the person who you committed the crime agains to be able to hand out some of the punishmnet. Like if your child was abused or molested then what if you where allowed 10 minutes with the person who had done it. With the only exception that you dont break their bones or kill them, that would probably help a lot of parents who's children have been hurt deal with it and get out some of their hurt and anger. And it also wouldnt hurt the person who had done it.. Well thats just my opinion. "Josie" that is not the Christian way...Christians forgive and show love...those priests were simply tempted by Satan's Legion and had a moment of weakness...with the help of Jesus those demons can be removed and the priest will be healed and can once again be trusted with children . |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests I think mainly cause sins in general are natural, habit, associated with the community, ect. Lying for instance. If one is not exposed to lies of any kind, that person would not lie. For they would basically not have the knowledge of lying. Habit Sins = "White" lies. Cussing/foul language, ect Natural = Aggressiveness, mainly in the masculine/male side. This results in fighting and things of that nature, pride would be included. The list could go on. This doesn't make it right at all. But it is true. So when something such as molestation, murder, ect are exposed it sticks out. It is out of the ordinary. It's not worse it's not better then any other sin. But it's different. Sticks out like a sore thumb. I cant agree with this at all..In the old testament there where different sacrifices for different sins, so why would it be different now. The Bible tells us that he sees our heart, So if I get upset with someone for hurting me There is no way that God will look at that the same as he would if I had gone out and molested a child. Otherwise it means he doesnt look at my heart but only my actions.  |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests I think mainly cause sins in general are natural, habit, associated with the community, ect. Lying for instance. If one is not exposed to lies of any kind, that person would not lie. For they would basically not have the knowledge of lying. Habit Sins = "White" lies. Cussing/foul language, ect Natural = Aggressiveness, mainly in the masculine/male side. This results in fighting and things of that nature, pride would be included. The list could go on. This doesn't make it right at all. But it is true. So when something such as molestation, murder, ect are exposed it sticks out. It is out of the ordinary. It's not worse it's not better then any other sin. But it's different. Sticks out like a sore thumb. I cant agree with this at all..In the old testament there where different sacrifices for different sins, so why would it be different now. The Bible tells us that he sees our heart, So if I get upset with someone for hurting me There is no way that God will look at that the same as he would if I had gone out and molested a child. Otherwise it means he doesnt look at my heart but only my actions. All but one sin is equal. The only sin that isn't equal is denying the Lord thy God. Jesus' words "Deny me before man and I will deny you before our father". Not those EXACT words, but same meaning. All other sins are forgivable. Jesus looks at our words, our actions, our thoughts, our beliefs, we are judged on EVERYTHING. Not just our actions, or thoughts. |
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Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. Cowboy...those priest didn't kill anyone , they molested children...didn't you tell me on more than one occassion how all sin is the same...and didn't you tell me that Jesus was the law...which is why the church did not have to hand those priest over to the law as long as they as you just indicated in the above post earned their forgiveness through faith and repentance Killing was purely an example on how forgiveness works. One must repent from that action first to receive forgiveness for it. If not, the asking for forgiveness would be in vein for it isn't truly sought after. The priests should have been handed over to the law though. They should have received the punishment as if anyone else would have done it. God has told us to obey man's law. Cowboy...so if God said to follow Man's law that would mean that Jesus isn't the law as you claimed .. that Man is the law on Earth...which means that when Jesus did not follow Man's law he should have been handed over to the law |
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Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. Cowboy...those priest didn't kill anyone , they molested children...didn't you tell me on more than one occassion how all sin is the same...and didn't you tell me that Jesus was the law...which is why the church did not have to hand those priest over to the law as long as they as you just indicated in the above post earned their forgiveness through faith and repentance Killing was purely an example on how forgiveness works. One must repent from that action first to receive forgiveness for it. If not, the asking for forgiveness would be in vein for it isn't truly sought after. The priests should have been handed over to the law though. They should have received the punishment as if anyone else would have done it. God has told us to obey man's law. Cowboy...so if God said to follow Man's law that would mean that Jesus isn't the law as you claimed .. that Man is the law on Earth...which means that when Jesus did not follow Man's law he should have been handed over to the law Jesus is law. Jesus has given us a few laws to abide by and has told us to also follow man's law. Of course God's law would be prominent in any case they may contradict one another. But nevertheless following man's law is then following God's law. And what man's law did Jesus break? |
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Oh bummer mucked up that quote so have taken it off. Hmmm but realistically for a person who has commited any crime, regardless of how sorry the or or if they have repented or not, they have still commited the crime. And they should have to follow through with the consequences.. Honestly I dont think it would hurt for the person who you committed the crime agains to be able to hand out some of the punishmnet. Like if your child was abused or molested then what if you where allowed 10 minutes with the person who had done it. With the only exception that you dont break their bones or kill them, that would probably help a lot of parents who's children have been hurt deal with it and get out some of their hurt and anger. And it also wouldnt hurt the person who had done it.. Well thats just my opinion. "Josie" that is not the Christian way...Christians forgive and show love...those priests were simply tempted by Satan's Legion and had a moment of weakness...with the help of Jesus those demons can be removed and the priest will be healed and can once again be trusted with children . Noway,, I think that some Christians have carried it to far.. The Bible tells you not to spare the rod on a child because basically you will ruin him if you dont discipline him... Now please dont quote me as I am way to lazy to go and get the exact words, this is just my interpretation of what it actually says. But if we are supposed to be Gods children then yes he will forgive us BUT there is no way he would let us walk away with no consequences, no where in the Bible does it say that we default on all punishment.. For gosh sake people need to grow some balls and dish out something that will make these people fearful of doing it again.. Yes I believe in forgiveness and yes I forgive easily, but I also expect to have to be responsible for anything I do.. If a person is relly sorry they will take their punishment like a man, if they are not then they will whine and complain about it. I dont like violence but I didnt like smacking my childrens butts either. But they soon learnt that there where a few things in life that would give them a sore butt and so they didnt do it. Well if a boxer can take a beating a grown man can, and hopefullyhe would learn something. |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests I think mainly cause sins in general are natural, habit, associated with the community, ect. Lying for instance. If one is not exposed to lies of any kind, that person would not lie. For they would basically not have the knowledge of lying. Habit Sins = "White" lies. Cussing/foul language, ect Natural = Aggressiveness, mainly in the masculine/male side. This results in fighting and things of that nature, pride would be included. The list could go on. This doesn't make it right at all. But it is true. So when something such as molestation, murder, ect are exposed it sticks out. It is out of the ordinary. It's not worse it's not better then any other sin. But it's different. Sticks out like a sore thumb. I cant agree with this at all..In the old testament there where different sacrifices for different sins, so why would it be different now. The Bible tells us that he sees our heart, So if I get upset with someone for hurting me There is no way that God will look at that the same as he would if I had gone out and molested a child. Otherwise it means he doesnt look at my heart but only my actions. All but one sin is equal. The only sin that isn't equal is denying the Lord thy God. Jesus' words "Deny me before man and I will deny you before our father". Not those EXACT words, but same meaning. All other sins are forgivable. Jesus looks at our words, our actions, our thoughts, our beliefs, we are judged on EVERYTHING. Not just our actions, or thoughts. Ok I need chapter and verse fot this, can you chuck a few out there so I can read them in context as i cannot see how this can apply . Because you have just totally confused me, and dont take this in a bad way, butyou told me all sin is equal except one, but then you tell me that he judges me on my actions, thoughts and beli8efs.. I have to read it myself in his words. so please can you put the verses up that you are thinking of so I can cross reference them with my bibles.. |
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Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. Cowboy...those priest didn't kill anyone , they molested children...didn't you tell me on more than one occassion how all sin is the same...and didn't you tell me that Jesus was the law...which is why the church did not have to hand those priest over to the law as long as they as you just indicated in the above post earned their forgiveness through faith and repentance Killing was purely an example on how forgiveness works. One must repent from that action first to receive forgiveness for it. If not, the asking for forgiveness would be in vein for it isn't truly sought after. The priests should have been handed over to the law though. They should have received the punishment as if anyone else would have done it. God has told us to obey man's law. Cowboy...so if God said to follow Man's law that would mean that Jesus isn't the law as you claimed .. that Man is the law on Earth...which means that when Jesus did not follow Man's law he should have been handed over to the law Jesus is law. Jesus has given us a few laws to abide by and has told us to also follow man's law. Of course God's law would be prominent in any case they may contradict one another. But nevertheless following man's law is then following God's law. And what man's law did Jesus break? Cowboy...if Jesus was the law as you keep trying to claim......then did Jesus tell this to pilate ? |
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Oh bummer mucked up that quote so have taken it off. Hmmm but realistically for a person who has commited any crime, regardless of how sorry the or or if they have repented or not, they have still commited the crime. And they should have to follow through with the consequences.. Honestly I dont think it would hurt for the person who you committed the crime agains to be able to hand out some of the punishmnet. Like if your child was abused or molested then what if you where allowed 10 minutes with the person who had done it. With the only exception that you dont break their bones or kill them, that would probably help a lot of parents who's children have been hurt deal with it and get out some of their hurt and anger. And it also wouldnt hurt the person who had done it.. Well thats just my opinion. "Josie" that is not the Christian way...Christians forgive and show love...those priests were simply tempted by Satan's Legion and had a moment of weakness...with the help of Jesus those demons can be removed and the priest will be healed and can once again be trusted with children . Noway,, I think that some Christians have carried it to far.. The Bible tells you not to spare the rod on a child because basically you will ruin him if you dont discipline him... Now please dont quote me as I am way to lazy to go and get the exact words, this is just my interpretation of what it actually says. But if we are supposed to be Gods children then yes he will forgive us BUT there is no way he would let us walk away with no consequences, no where in the Bible does it say that we default on all punishment.. For gosh sake people need to grow some balls and dish out something that will make these people fearful of doing it again.. Yes I believe in forgiveness and yes I forgive easily, but I also expect to have to be responsible for anything I do.. If a person is relly sorry they will take their punishment like a man, if they are not then they will whine and complain about it. I dont like violence but I didnt like smacking my childrens butts either. But they soon learnt that there where a few things in life that would give them a sore butt and so they didnt do it. Well if a boxer can take a beating a grown man can, and hopefullyhe would learn something. God will hand out punishment on Judgement day ...Vengence is mine said the Lord ...all sins are the same except disobeying a direct command from God, Christians are required to forgive and love their enemies, Jesus is the law , God's Law is above Man's law....this is why priest that molest children do not have to be punish or turn over to the law ... |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests I think mainly cause sins in general are natural, habit, associated with the community, ect. Lying for instance. If one is not exposed to lies of any kind, that person would not lie. For they would basically not have the knowledge of lying. Habit Sins = "White" lies. Cussing/foul language, ect Natural = Aggressiveness, mainly in the masculine/male side. This results in fighting and things of that nature, pride would be included. The list could go on. This doesn't make it right at all. But it is true. So when something such as molestation, murder, ect are exposed it sticks out. It is out of the ordinary. It's not worse it's not better then any other sin. But it's different. Sticks out like a sore thumb. I cant agree with this at all..In the old testament there where different sacrifices for different sins, so why would it be different now. The Bible tells us that he sees our heart, So if I get upset with someone for hurting me There is no way that God will look at that the same as he would if I had gone out and molested a child. Otherwise it means he doesnt look at my heart but only my actions. All but one sin is equal. The only sin that isn't equal is denying the Lord thy God. Jesus' words "Deny me before man and I will deny you before our father". Not those EXACT words, but same meaning. All other sins are forgivable. Jesus looks at our words, our actions, our thoughts, our beliefs, we are judged on EVERYTHING. Not just our actions, or thoughts. Ok I need chapter and verse fot this, can you chuck a few out there so I can read them in context as i cannot see how this can apply . Because you have just totally confused me, and dont take this in a bad way, butyou told me all sin is equal except one, but then you tell me that he judges me on my actions, thoughts and beli8efs.. I have to read it myself in his words. so please can you put the verses up that you are thinking of so I can cross reference them with my bibles.. Belief - John 14:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Actions - James 2:17 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone Thoughts - Matthew 5:28 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. More can be shown if these are not sufficient for you. |
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Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. Cowboy...those priest didn't kill anyone , they molested children...didn't you tell me on more than one occassion how all sin is the same...and didn't you tell me that Jesus was the law...which is why the church did not have to hand those priest over to the law as long as they as you just indicated in the above post earned their forgiveness through faith and repentance Killing was purely an example on how forgiveness works. One must repent from that action first to receive forgiveness for it. If not, the asking for forgiveness would be in vein for it isn't truly sought after. The priests should have been handed over to the law though. They should have received the punishment as if anyone else would have done it. God has told us to obey man's law. Cowboy...so if God said to follow Man's law that would mean that Jesus isn't the law as you claimed .. that Man is the law on Earth...which means that when Jesus did not follow Man's law he should have been handed over to the law Jesus is law. Jesus has given us a few laws to abide by and has told us to also follow man's law. Of course God's law would be prominent in any case they may contradict one another. But nevertheless following man's law is then following God's law. And what man's law did Jesus break? Cowboy...if Jesus was the law as you keep trying to claim......then did Jesus tell this to pilate ? Jesus has told everyone. Some believe it, some don't eg., the reasoning of the crucifixion. They seen Jesus as a blasphemer. They did not believe him to be the promised messiah. |
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Oh bummer mucked up that quote so have taken it off. Hmmm but realistically for a person who has commited any crime, regardless of how sorry the or or if they have repented or not, they have still commited the crime. And they should have to follow through with the consequences.. Honestly I dont think it would hurt for the person who you committed the crime agains to be able to hand out some of the punishmnet. Like if your child was abused or molested then what if you where allowed 10 minutes with the person who had done it. With the only exception that you dont break their bones or kill them, that would probably help a lot of parents who's children have been hurt deal with it and get out some of their hurt and anger. And it also wouldnt hurt the person who had done it.. Well thats just my opinion. "Josie" that is not the Christian way...Christians forgive and show love...those priests were simply tempted by Satan's Legion and had a moment of weakness...with the help of Jesus those demons can be removed and the priest will be healed and can once again be trusted with children . Noway,, I think that some Christians have carried it to far.. The Bible tells you not to spare the rod on a child because basically you will ruin him if you dont discipline him... Now please dont quote me as I am way to lazy to go and get the exact words, this is just my interpretation of what it actually says. But if we are supposed to be Gods children then yes he will forgive us BUT there is no way he would let us walk away with no consequences, no where in the Bible does it say that we default on all punishment.. For gosh sake people need to grow some balls and dish out something that will make these people fearful of doing it again.. Yes I believe in forgiveness and yes I forgive easily, but I also expect to have to be responsible for anything I do.. If a person is relly sorry they will take their punishment like a man, if they are not then they will whine and complain about it. I dont like violence but I didnt like smacking my childrens butts either. But they soon learnt that there where a few things in life that would give them a sore butt and so they didnt do it. Well if a boxer can take a beating a grown man can, and hopefullyhe would learn something. God will hand out punishment on Judgement day ...Vengence is mine said the Lord ...all sins are the same except disobeying a direct command from God, Christians are required to forgive and love their enemies, Jesus is the law , God's Law is above Man's law....this is why priest that molest children do not have to be punish or turn over to the law ... I forgive and love my children, but if they hurt someone, I would still smack their butts even though some are bigger then me, its not acceptable.. Love is having to be a little hard at times.. |
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