This is very true, hence why you need something besides the sex to keep the relationship going. It doesn't mean though that the sex itself is bad or unneeded, it's just making it the focal point of the relationship isn't wise, in the same way making strictly the emotions the focal point isn't. You need both.

Is love making where a baby cannot be produced bad to you Cowboy? After all they are still uniting through it right? How is that a bad thing?

That is why the religious notion that sex should only be used for reproduction is so wrong. It reduces the sexual act to being no better than what the animals do. It is degrading to reduce the sexual act to only reproduction. People aren't animals meant to simply reproduce.

Exactly lol, that's what I kinda been saying. That is why God has set it up to be with your married spouse only. Because first off the marriage shows commitment, this person vows to be with you for ever eg., we are to only be with one person sexually, because the person they are to be sexual with is suppose to be their married spouse. And a married spouse is for eternity. And for a bit of time God permitted a divorce, but with that divorce the people were not to remarry, so still remaining to have had a sexual relation with that one person. Sexual relations with multiple people cause lots of trouble, single parents, STD's, children that don't have a relationship with one of their parents and or very limited relationship ect. Yes there's many reasons of single parents, not claiming this to be the soul reasoning of it.

No we're not, and there is nothing wrong with enjoying sex. Why would it feel good if we were not meant to enjoy it? It makes no sense, that a God would give us these feelings only to say it's bad to enjoy them.

Does it mean we should use it any which way neccessarily? No, certain ways are healthier than others. But it doesn't mean that in a solid relationship, it's somehow wrong to have sex just because.

That is an extra biblical belief, not one that is mainstream to Christianity.



That quote means "If you are married, go to town! Do whatever you want to pleasure your husband or wife, as long as it doesn't involve another person or an animal."

Also the religious notion that if you get divorced that you can't remarry is also wrong. I think that is an example of the church sticking their nose into people's personal lives.

I think it is our responsibility to find happiness, not worry about what the church lady or your preacher is going to think. I don't believe these ideas come from God at all.

How so does that degrade it to what animals do? Can one just not keep in mind the night they shared to create a human? That is an absolutely beautiful thing, to know that you and your loved one created another human being. Yes it doesn't seem quite as special anymore most the time because heck most any man and woman can create a child. But it is indeed a beautiful thing, that child is a part of you and a part of your spouse. Was an absolutely great and beautiful time the two had to share the passion and love with one another which ended up in a life time of joy. That's another difference between sex and making love. Sex ends that night and or pretty soon after, at least till the next time with that person and or another person. Making love grows a connection between the two. It is a bond unlike any other. It lasts a life time especially if a child came of it. Then for an entire lifetime they have the memories of the great passion and love they shared with one another to create such a beautiful child. It's about what you hold dear. Do you hold more dear physical things? Objects, immediate things that are happening the now and here. Or is it the emotional things? The things that will never deteriorate less you allow them to, things that have no price tag on it.

Which leads me to another comparison lol. Sex "making love" with the one you have committed yourself to and your life to. Compared to a night with a "prostitute". Yes the money may have bought some mind blowing sex for that night, but it didn't buy you anything that will effect you and or last a life time.

Sex with someone you are not married amounts to nothing but sex with a prostitute in the long run, except you don't have to pay for the sexual action itself. That is the only main difference between having sex with a prostitute or someone you are not married to. Both will only have meaning/effect for a little bit of time till the next comes.

I was hoping we could have a conversation about what we actually think in a logical manner rather than quoting a verse from the Bible which the O.P. asked we not do.

Agreed. I think God wants us to live, love and experience. To make this life our own and to be happy. He's not someone watching for every little thing we do wrong, or one who limits what we can do in any way.

Religion is a choice made by the individual. If the individual decides to belong to a church that doesn't allow divorcees to marry, that was his or her choice. They always have the choice of leaving the church and finding another. I find it intolerant to call another person's religious beliefs "wrong", if those beliefs don't effect anyone but the one who holds them and causes no physical harm to the believer.

I don't think she's even advocating that sex with someone you really have no feelings for is neccessarily a good thing. There can be some spiritual effects that come from using it in that way.

But to say, that it's ONLY for making a child, and nothing else, that is what she's objecting to. It's a part of the process yes, but not meant to be the only part. It basically says to her that.....the rest of experience, that comes with sex, making love or whatever you wanna call it, means nothing. It's rather insulting.

I've already posted what I believe on the subject. Now I posted scripture to show that what Cowboy is saying is his personal beliefs, not mainstream Christianity. So now you know both my and Cowboy's feelings on sex and I hope it's clear that what Cowboy posted isn't Christian dogma, it's Cowboy's personal dogma.

I agree that sex with someone you care about and or LOVE is much better.

But for a religious belief that one should not engage in sex unless for the purpose of making babies is degrading and no better than what the animals do.

Procreation is not such a special thing. Animals do it.

I have heard that same dogma from other Christian sects. I wonder where they get that then?

Do you know?

The thing is, a Christian's beliefs, regardless of what they may be, all stem from the same source. That being the Bible, and they all try and justify it by that.

I have no idea. The Bible mentions many times that wives and husbands should enjoy one another's bodies. The Song Of Solomon is quite explicit, even mentioning oral sex on a number of occasions. Maybe the puritan movement, which was a works based movement.

If no religious beliefs are "wrong", than.......how can Christians think only their way is right? If no one is truly wrong, no one is truly right either.

Not being knowledgeable about all the different Christian beliefs its hard to keep them strait on who believes what. To me, they are all Christians so I get them confused.

Then they look at me as an adulterous because I married twice.

I'm glad not all Christians are the same, but it is very hard to know what any given Christian believes.

That's absolutely stupid, you don't really believe that, do you? I think Firefly is the best SciFi TV show of all time, did I get that from the Bible? Some Christians believe(d) in torturing themselves, that's not in the Bible. Some Christians think that non-whites are the result of a sexual union between Satan and Eve, that's not in the Bible. Please don't get so eager to disparage Christianity that you make absolutely stupid comments like this one.