FYI:

God does not speak English, or any language for that matter.
That's what I believe anyway.

God's language is with feeling and pictures. No language.

Actually that claim did not exist in the beginning of the biblical fables. That is actually the opening statement of the book of John.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

That's his claim. This doesn't come from Genesis. So it's not an Abrahamic claim in general. It's a claim that belongs solely to the "Christians" (i.e. the authors of the New Testament)

In fact, they created this claim in an effort to portray Jesus as the "word" in flesh.

The original Abrahamic idea was probably along the lines that before God there was no "form", and God created "form" and the "form" was God.

That's actually a pantheistic notion. In other words God became manifest as this universe and this universe is a manifestation of God.

The Hebrews then too the idea of "form" (which was similar to the concept of "symbol" which can be translated as "word") and then started to focus on this concept of God and the "word" being equivalent to imply that their "scriptures" should then be viewed as the "Word" of God.

That's how twisted and demented that became.

Then they start treating their "scriptures" as the "Word of God" and in do so they have created an idol God in the object of their very own "scriptures".

The term "word" in this context could not possibly be referring to any 'scriptures', that's nonsense from the get go, because that would imply that, "In the beginning was the scriptures and scriptures were with God, and the scriptures were God".

That makes no sense. So the idea that the "word" could be some sort of reference to scriptures is clearly an incorrect idea to start with. So this bring into question the very writings of John.

The idea that the Bible represents the "word" and that the "word" represents God, is simply a false notion that cannot be supported.

So the writings of John are nothing more than poetic ramblings that have no substance.

...New Testament Verses with Evidence of Jesus in Genesis....


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the

Word was God. John 1:1 (KJV)



The same was in the BEGINNING with God. John 1:2 (KJV)

All things were MADE by Him; and without Him was not any thing made

that was made. John 1:3 (KJV)




Jesus confirms knowing Abraham nearly 2000 years before the

nativity, and states with emphasis “Before Abraham was, I AM” in

the following verses.



Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was

glad. John 8:56 (KJV)



Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and

hast thou seen Abraham? John 8:57 (KJV)



Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham

was, I Am. John 8:58 (KJV)



And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which

from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, Who created

all things by Jesus Christ: Ephesians 3:9 (KJV)



Finally, consider His response to the disciple Philip who asked

Christ to “show us the Father”.



Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet

hast thou not known me, Philip?

he that hath seen me hath seen the

Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? John 14:9



Read the Old Testament,

the Triune God is God the Father,

the Son,

and the Holy Spirit,


Jesus is found in every page of the old testament...

types and shadows of what is to come, is written all thruout the

old testament book ,

but Jesus had not yet come in the flesh yet......

and is refered to there as “God” .



His documented arrival as “Jesus” was in the New Testament,

and by knowing He knew Abraham 2,000 years earlier,

finding Jesus in the Old Testament begins with the VERY first verse

in Genesis 1:1.


http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Word-God.html

Have to run now.....Be Blessed......Everyone Now...

Jesus is God and has always existed. Really Cowboy, you shouldn't try to teach others about the Bible if you don't understand it.

I don't know about every page, but without a doubt every book of the Old Testament. Sometimes even appearing as a man. Malech Yahweh (The Angel (or messenger) of the Lord) was Jesus. When Malech Yahweh spoke, the Bible says "And the Lord said". Not "the angel" said, like when it's just an angel, when Malech Yahweh spoke, it was the Lord speaking. When Malech Yahweh stood on the ground, he told the people to take off their shoes, because the ground is holy. Only God is holy, therefore the person speaking must have been God.



Two beings LORD (the King of Israel aka God the Father) and the LORD's Redeemer (The LORD of Hosts aka God the Son or Jesus) and when they speak, they say "I" and "me", not "We" and "Us". They speak as one. Both the father and the son are equally God and because they are perfect, their minds are the same. They think the same way and do not disagree, argue or debate, they are perfectly in sync.

The term "Lord" was used a lot back in those days. That does not mean they were talking about God or Jesus.

A rich guy with a bunch of slaves was also called "Lord."

Jesus was never mentioned in the Old testament. You are making stuff up.

Also, there were many other Gods worshiped back then called "Lord."

You are right and wrong. Here's the problem: You are basing your statement entirely off the English translation and ignoring the context clues in the KJV text. Hebrew has more than one word which is translated as "Lord". "adownai" is translated as "Lord" with a capital "L" and the remaining letters lower case. This word applies to judges, kings and other powerful people. Isaiah 44:6, uses the word "Yehovah" in Hebrew, which is translated to "LORD" (all capitals) in the KJV. "Yehovah" only applies to God and no Jew would have made a mistake with that particular word, because they considered it Blasphemy to even mess up one the letters of the word.

.... interesting article on Yeshua, the hebrew name for Jesus ...

http://www.bibleprophecyupdate.com/http:/www.bibleprophecyupdate.com/bible-studies/other-bible-teachers/the-name-of-jesus-revealed-in-the-old-testamen/

......TITLES AND NAMES OF JESUS......


There are over 100 different names and titles for Jesus.

Listed here are a number of them. As you go over this list note that they describe the character of Jesus,

the greatness of His glory and power,

and also how He came to earth as a servant to provide you with many blessings.

Scriptures used are from The World English Bible.



ADAM: 1 Corinthians 15:45 So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

ALMIGHTY: Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

ALPHA and OMEGA: Revelation 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

AMEN: Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the assembly in Laodicea write: "The Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Head of God's creation, says these things:

APOSTLE: Hebrews 3:1 Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Jesus; (The word "apostle" should be translated "messenger.")

AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF FAITH: Hebrews 12:2 looking to Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God..

AUTHOR OF SALVATION: Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many children to glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

BLESSED AND ONLY RULER: 1 Timothy 6:15 which in its own times he will show, who is the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

BREAD OF LIFE: John 6:48 I am the bread of life.

BRIGHT and MORNING STAR: Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things to you for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David; the Bright and Morning Star."

CHIEF SHEPHERD: 1 Peter 5:4 When the chief Shepherd is revealed, you will receive the crown of glory that doesn't fade away.

CHRIST OF GOD: Luke 9:20 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered, "The Christ of God."

COUNSELOR: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

CREATOR: Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him.

DELIVERER: Romans 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved. Even as it is written, "There will come out of Zion the Deliverer, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

DOOR: John 10:7-9 Jesus therefore said to them again, "Most assuredly, I tell you, I am the sheep's door. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep didn't listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters in by me, he will be saved, and will go in and go out, and will find pasture.

EVERLASTING FATHER: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

FAITHFUL WITNESS: Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood;

FIRST AND LAST: Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, "Don't be afraid. I am the first and the last,

FIRSTBORN: Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood;

GOD: 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

GOOD SHEPHERD: John 10:11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

GOVERNOR: Matthew 2:6 'You Bethlehem, land of Judah, Are in no way least among the princes of Judah: For out of you shall come forth a governor, who shall shepherd my people, Israel.'"

GREAT HIGH PRIEST: Hebrews 4:14 Having then a great high priest, who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold tightly to our confession.

HEAD OF GOD'S CREATION: Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the assembly in Laodicea write: "The Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Head of God's creation, says these things:

HEAD OF THE ASSEMBLY: Ephesians 1:22 He put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things for the assembly.

HEIR OF ALL THINGS: Hebrews 1:2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds

HOLY SERVANT: Acts 4:27 For truly, in this city against your holy servant, Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together.

HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS ONE: Acts 3:14 But you denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you,

HOLY ONE OF GOD: Mark 1:24 saying, "Ha! What do we have to do with you, Jesus, you Nazarene? Have you come to destroy us? I know you who you are: the Holy One of God!"

HORN OF SALVATION: Luke 1:69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David.

I AM: John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM."

IMAGE OF GOD: 2 Corinthians 4:4 in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn on them.

IMMANUEL: Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

JESUS: Matthew 1:21 She shall bring forth a son. You shall call his name Jesus, for it is he who shall save his people from their sins."

KING ETERNAL IMMORTAL INVISIBLE: 1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

KING OF THE JEWS: Matthew 2:2 "Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we saw his star in the east, and have come to worship him."

KING OF KINGS: 1 Timothy 6:15 which in its own times he will show, who is the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

KING OF THE NATIONS: Revelation 15:3 They sang the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, "Great and marvelous are your works, Lord God, the Almighty; Righteous and true are your ways, you King of the nations.

LAWGIVER: Isaiah 33:22 For Yahweh is our judge, Yahweh is our lawgiver, Yahweh is our king; he will save us.

LAMB: Revelation 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed.

LAMB OF GOD: John 1:29 The next day, he saw Jesus coming to him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

LIFE: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

LIGHT OF THE WORLD: John 8:12 Again, therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life."

LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH: Revelation 5:5 One of the elders said to me, "Don't weep. Behold, the Lion who is of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome; he who opens the book and its seven seals."

LORD: John 20:28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"

LORD OF ALL: Acts 10:36 The word which he sent to the children of Israel, preaching good news of peace by Jesus Christ -- he is Lord of all -- .

LORD OF GLORY: 1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the rulers of this world has known. For had they known it, they wouldn't have crucified the Lord of glory.

LORD OF LORDS: 1 Timothy 6:15 which in its own times he will show, who is the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

MAN OF SUFFERING: Isaiah 53:3 He was despised, and rejected by men; a man of suffering, and acquainted with disease: and as one from whom men hide their face he was despised; and we didn't respect him.

MEDIATOR: 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT: Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me; and the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, behold, he comes!" says Yahweh of hosts.

MESSIAH (THE ANOINTED ONE): Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Anointed One, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troubled times.
John 1:41 He first found his own brother, Simon, and said to him, "We have found the Messiah!" (which is, being interpreted, Christ).

MIGHTY GOD: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

NAZARENE: Matthew 2:23 and came and lived in a city called Nazareth; that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through the prophets: "He will be called a Nazarene."

OUR PASSOVER: 1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out the old yeast, that you may be a new lump, even as you are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed in our place.

PRINCE OF PEACE: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

PROPHET: Luke 24:19 He said to them, "What things?" They said to him, "The things concerning Jesus, the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people; Acts 3:22 For Moses indeed said to the fathers, 'The Lord God will raise up a prophet for you from among your brothers, like me. You shall listen to him in all things whatever he says to you.

REDEEMER: Job 19:25 But as for me, I know that my Redeemer lives. In the end, he will stand upon the earth.

RESURRECTION AND LIFE: John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me, though he die, yet will he live.

RIGHTEOUS ONE: Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets didn't your fathers persecute? They killed those who foretold the coming of the Righteous One, of whom you have now become betrayers and murderers.

ROCK 1 Corinthians 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.

SAVIOR: Luke 2:11 For there is born to you, this day, in the city of David, a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

SHEPHERD AND OVERSEER: 1 Peter 2:25 For you were going astray like sheep; but are now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

SON OF DAVID: Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

SON OF THE MOST HIGH: Luke 1:32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David,

SON OF MAN: Matthew 8:20 Jesus said to him, "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head."

TRUTH: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

TRUE LIGHT: John 1:9 The true light that enlightens everyone was coming into the world.

TRUE VINE: John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the farmer."

WAY: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

WITNESS: Isaiah 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the peoples, a leader and commander to the peoples.

WONDERFUL: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

WORD: John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

WORD OF GOD: Revelation 19:13 He is clothed in a garment sprinkled with blood. His name is called "The Word of God."

YAHWEH: Isaiah 26:4 Trust in Yahweh forever; for in Yah, Yahweh, is an everlasting Rock.

YAHWEH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS: Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name by which he shall be called: Yahweh our righteousness.

This NON-Biblical thread has attracted A LOT of Biblical quotes and references to the Bible.

This just proves that when you tell someone "don't do this" they will do it more than normal.

The whole Lord thing is royalty in itself, and what do most royal people, be them Kings, Queens or any other such people want? Serfs, slaves. Basically means in that context that God wants us enslaved to Him. I don't see that being the case with a loving creator at all.

Exactly!

The title "LORD" suggest royalty as apposed to the common slave or servant or the common man.

If the ancient Gods were aliens, they passed themselves off as either Gods or Royalty, Kings and Queens etc. The royal family today thinks they are better than anyone else and above the common folk.

So you think that an all-powerful being needs slaves? Think about that for a minute, hopefully you'll see the flaw in your reasoning.

God wants us to live our lives his way. Why? Because his way is perfect and we'll always be happy if we obey him. And although we will never be perfect and will always miss the mark, God will forgive us for all our sins, simply because we love him and try to follow him. This is because God loves us and only wants the best for us.

EDIT: I hate to have to bring this up, but you do realize the following two things:

1) Lord and LORD are translations. Just because they carry a certain context in English doesn't mean they have the same context in Hebrew.
2) The Bible describes leadership as serving those who follow you. In Heaven, God will equally serve us as we do Him and each other. Jesus washed his followers feet to show them that a true leader leads by example. God serves his people, so that they will serve one another.

applying the same logic then mingle would remove many of the political forums where christians overwhelmingly bash islam. truth is though, to bash a religion is not "to bash other users" as the rule you posted "specifically say"s.

now back on topic having said that. i find it no more difficult to discuss the absurdities in christianity without a bible than i find it difficult to discuss the absurdities of islam without a quoran. indeed, i find it a simple matter to discuss the absurdities of the spirit world as i find it simple to discuss anything supernatural conceived only in the minds of humans.

Cowboy, if you don't BELIEVE that God the Father,

God the Son,

and God the Holy Spirit ,

are the 3 in ONE GODHEAD ,

then only God can REVEAL this BASIC TRUTH to you, thru His Holy Spirit.

I can't......Only God can do that.




If Jesus and God are one BEING, then who was Jesus praying to? Who was he referring to when he said "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do"? Was he speaking to himself? Why would Jesus refer to himself as "father who art in heaven"? And multiple times he speaks/prays to our father "God".

And yes they were all there in the beginning, but let me ask you this. If they are all one BEING, why would they be separate entities mentioned with separate titles? Why would they not all be referred to as God, Father, or anything as such? Why separate the being with separate titles? And having them all three present at the same subject being said?

Not trying to argue, please don't get me wrong. I'm just curious for my own personal understanding of this concept. I studied a little while with the baptists, and this is one thing I never could grasp entirely.



Ok, again if Jesus was God in the flesh, who was he referring to when he was speaking/praying to our father? If he was God *our father* then was Jesus speaking to himself?



Amen!! God will always be.



Yes and one receives this gift once they have accepted Jesus as lord and savior. With accepting Jesus as lord, one must obey his commandments for he is our lord, he is the one in charge. You had the answer in your post the entire time. For instance you said

"RECEIVES this free gift

of grace FIRST (Salvation),by FAITH BELIEVING."

That is exactly what I said. One must first believe in and have faith in Jesus our lord. Then with accepting Jesus as lord, one is to follow/obey his commandments. That is why it's called a "judgment". What would be the point of a "judgment" if we weren't suppose to follow his laws in order to achieve the gift of heaven? What would be "judged". Again, no one can not "buy" there way into heaven, it is purely earned through our faith. And actions speak louder then words, so we are to act upon this faith, not just "believe" in the faith. Besides that, with believing one would have to believe when it is said "The only reward for sin is death". So therefore we are not to sin, therefore one can not enter heaven by just believing, one must act upon this belief or their belief in the long run would be in vein.



James 2:14-18
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

Verses like the following teach me Jesus, God, and the Holy spirit are not one entity.

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2 Corinthians 13:14

14The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
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Why would it specifically state the three as separate entities if they are one? Why wouldn't it just say grace of God, love of God, and the communion of God? What would be the point in giving "God" our father separate names/beings when they are being referred to all at the same time?

But that's not the Biblical story.

That's not anywhere close to what the Biblical story is claiming. It's simply not written as such. On the contrary it's written about a jealous God who will condemn people to everlasting punishment if they refuse to cower down to this God's demands.

If it were the story you would like it to be it would have been written in an entirely different style and tone.

Moreover, what you say is clearly false anyway. What kind of a woman would want to be sold as a bride to a man where she has no say in the matter at all?

These stories contain horrible male-chauvinistic attitudes, and many other ignorant concepts that we'd expect to hear from a barroom drunkard, and not an 'all-wise' supreme being.

The Biblical cannon of fables cannot possible be from any all-wise all-loving all-intelligent and all-righteous supreme being because the truth of the matter is that these fables were actually made up by some truly stupid and ignorant male-chauvinistic people.

We can't very well have an all-wise all-loving all-intelligent supreme being acting so ignorantly.

Therefore there truly is no way to salvage these old fables. They are clearly as false as Greek mythology and have absolutely no more merit.

Your claim that God is "all-wise" and so "perfect" simply doesn't jive with the biblical cannon of fables, because the God depicted in those fables is far from wise and far from perfect.

So if you want to claim that God is "all-wise" and "all-perfect" you'd do yourself a great favor by choosing a religion where those claims actually make sense. Some of the Eastern Mystical philosophies could potentially serve that end.

Or, if you can't find a preexisting human picture of such a God, then just make up your own. Why should it be so difficult for you to imagine an "all-wise" and "all-perfect" God?

Just imagine the very best you possibly can, and know that you, yourself have failed to achieve a perfect imagination, and therefore an "all-perfect" God would even need to be better than you can possibly imagine.

I can assure you that the portrait of God that the ancient Hebrews painted can't even remotely come close to my own vision of a "perfect" God. Therefore I can trump their God using nothing more than my own "imperfect" imagination.

Thus I have PROOF POSITIVE that their fables can't be true. Their fables fall far short of what even I, as a mere mortal man, can imagine an "all-perfect" God to be. Their fables are riddled with sick demented and ignorant things like male-chauvinism and blood sacrifices to appease an angry God.

A "perfect" God cannot possibly become "angry" because anger would be a 'flaw' thus reducing their God from being "all-perfect".

So there fables are a direct contradiction to the very notion of an "all-perfect God".

So let's think about this, God will punish us for disobedience. Hmmm, does a parent not punish their child for their disobedience? This could include but not limited to, grounding, not allowing a friend to stay the night, not allowing the child to stay the night else where, ect. A law enforcer, arrests people for not "cowering" down to the governments demands. It's not about "cowering" down to anything my friend. Does a loving parent allow their child to run around doing what the child wishes and when they wish to do it? Or does a loving parent set forth boundaries and punishments for passing these boundaries?



That is totally opinionated by you. What you see as righteous may or may not be seen as righteous by another. So who's to say your judgment on what righteous is trumps what another thinks righteous is?

How would you know? You have never read the Bible, so that's your bigotry and bias talking, not experience or knowledge.

Three separate entities, all of them perfect. Their minds are perfect in every way, that means they have the same thoughts and desires. There is no conflict, jealousy, disagreements between them, they are always in perfect agreement. So you have three beings who act as one. Yes, they are each distinct, but they are each the same.