This I find amusing when two christians claim they are wrong on how they worship or understand their bible. Morningglory claims what Cowboy's understanding to be wrong and perhaps Cowboy feels the same way about MorningGlory.

There are about 34,000 different Christian groups in the world since AD 30. This is according to the World Christian Encyclopedia published in 2001. 1,200 different Christian denominations exist in the United States alone. Some groups classify Christianity into 8 meta-groups, namely Roman Catholicism (the largest), Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy and Assyrian Churches, Protestantism, Restorationism, Anglican Communicants, Pentecostal, and others.

There will never be peace amongst themselves due to different beliefs or interpretations from the bible and many around the world who don't study or believe in the bible will rarely find peace with them either.

But it is good to know that some do find solidarity in their preachings.

Don't mean to get into any form of argument(s) or anything. But outside this particular thread, I post verse(s) that support what I am saying.

Cowboy, I have read over 200 pages of your posts....



When I say you don't even know the BASICS of what the bible

teaches , this is what I am referring to:


for example, you wrote and I quote:

"yes i have many of times, his physical body "passed away" HE DID NOT DIE. This just shows us we have more then our body, cause how could he be resurected if he died? It is because he did not die, but passed away for a time being. "



"The bible is an object"


"God created Jesus"


"heaven is a reward earned"


Plus, there were lots and lots of other errors you posted in

former posts on here, that I don't have time to mention.


LOTS of errors that you are posting on here, Cowboy...



ALL Christians BELIEVE that Jesus AROSE from the DEAD.......

(BASIC BELIEF OF CHRISTIANITY)



ALL Christians BELIEVE

that the BIBLE IS the INERRANT WORD OF GOD ( NOT an

OBJECT!!!)

(BASIC BELIEF OF CHRISTIANITY)



ALL Christians BELIEVE that God the Father, God the Son, and God

the Holy Spirit are 3 in ONE GODHEAD ( in other words, God did

NOT create Jesus )

(BASIC BELIEF OF CHRISTIANITY )



ALL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE that Salvation is NOT earned as a reward,

but is a FREE GIFT OF GRACE.

(BASIC BELIEF OF CHRISTIANITY)



Point is ....ALL Christians AT LEAST AGREE ..on ..the.. BASICS!!!!


Study the WORD.



ps...now Cowboy, I am not saying that you haven't shared

some wonderful posts on here.....you have....



and I can see that you have a gentle heart and I see the love

of God in you........

but please......just spend time getting the BASICS right....

and THEN come share

the gospel message right.

God created everything in existence. If God didn't create it, in this case Jesus. Then explain this please.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



Heaven is earned through our faith. You can't "buy" your way into heaven, or do things out of vein in hopes of "buttering" God up. Heaven is a gift, eternal life is a gift. First action taken to receive this gift is accepting Jesus Christ as lord and savior. With that action being done, you have "earned" heaven. We are to abide by the laws set out before us, yes there is forgiveness for the times we stumble. But actions speak louder then words, if one claims they have accepted Jesus as lord and savior, they then will do their best to abide by his laws. Again, yes I realize heaven can't be "bought" but there are some requirements before one can enter into heaven, they have to earn this gift.

Romans 6:23

23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Or in other words, follow my laws if you do not wish to miss out on the gift of eternal life.




Not in exacts. Jesus is the word of God in flesh. The bible is a collection of knowledge about God's word. What would make the difference if the bible was called morphimous, Flandy, or any othe random name you can think of? The bible itself can not save you from death. Only following the knowledge it contains can save you from death.



Not true. Think it's mainly only the baptists that believe this specific thing. I'm pretty sure it's the Jahovah witnesses that don't even think Jesus was the son of God or God himself. A lot of them think him to be just a prophet.

Cowboy you have made some good points.

Thanks, and I apologize for posting bible verses, wasn't thinking. Got caught up in the moment and didn't think of what particular thread this was.

I think it was necessary to do that in order to respond, besides that rule has long been broken in this thread...

ALL CHRISTIANS believe the basics( I did not say

denominations).....however most denominations ALSO believe the

BASICS.

ANY christian that calls himself a christian,

knows and believes the basics.


As a matter of fact, one CANNOT EVEN become a christian( born again ) ,

IF he does NOT even believe that

Christ Jesus AROSE FROM THE DEAD!!


Cause God's Holy Spirit will NOT indwell a person that does

not believe this FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH.

In Fact ,

this is BASIC to even BECOMING A CHRISTIAN IN THE FIRST

PLACE......




WHEN a person has HEAD knowledge of God only, then that person

is prone to misinterpret scripture.

When a person has HEART knowledge of God, then the scriptures

become CLEAR.

I am done sharing here on this subject .

True, no two religious people agree on much of anything, be they talking about one of the Abrahamic views of "God" or any other view of spirituality.

However, many of these religious people continue to hold up the very same utterly absurd "myths" (i.e. their claim that the Bible is the inerrant "Word of God". That's clearly false. These ancient scriptures are riddled with contradictions and errors. So those who try to claim that "scripture cannot be broken" and other such nonsense are truly in denial beyond anything that even remotely reasonable.

Even if these ancient scriptures had been inspired by some supreme being eons ago, they have long since lost any verbatim validity.

The bottom line for all of these things is obviously a matter of pure faith. For anyone to claim that they can go beyond that is truly foolish.

If they want to believe on pure faith, and ask others to believe in pure faith, that's one thing.

But to set up a "virtual pulpit" on an internet forum to try to shove personal opinions down the throats of all other people in the "name" of a God, is truly foolish.

As you observe Cowboy is even trying to shove his interpretations down MorningSong's throat, and MorningSong is trying to get Cowboy to wise up and realize that he doesn't speak for "God".

Yes, it true is a comedy show to be sure.

Mostly on the part of Cowboy who has obviously convinced himself that, not only can he confidently PREACH to non-believers, but he evidently has even convinced himself that he can also PREACH to any Christians who disagree with his views as well.

Disagree with Cowboy, and you're disagreeing with God Himself!

Like I've often said, the only way that Christianity could ever truly become a "world religion" is when the last radical christian zealot stands proclaiming to an empty world, "Only I speak for God!"

That's the only fate that Christianity can ever hope to have.

You have a fetish with something being shoved? Nothings being shoved on anyone or anything. And no I don't speak for God. But it is fact that people don't show me my errors if and when they see them. Or at least any errors they think they see that hold ground. And again about the shoving beliefs, no one's shoving any beliefs. You state your beliefs, I state mine. No one's shoving anything down anyone's throat. Merely conversing, expressing, and sharing our different spiritual beliefs. If one doesn't wish to believe the same, that is totally fine. No harm done, no error on anyone's part, it is their choice. So please, stop spreading your hatred my friend and join in on the harmless polite discussion.

Oh please.

You do indeed shove your opinions at other people. You even shove them at MorningSong.

But the problem is Cowboy that you don't express them as mere "opinions", you state everything as if there can be no other interpretations.

You say, "But it is fact that people don't show me my errors if and when they see them. Or at least any errors they think they see that hold ground"

Well, of course not. That the part about being in denial.

I've shown you countless errors in the Bible that you have never been able to resolve.

For example, the New Testament claims that Jesus is the "Son" of God and that the "Father" judgeth no man and that all judgments had been committed to the Son. Yet, in their very same fables they shoot themselves in their very own food having Jesus asking the "Father" to forgive people when all judgment had supposed been committed to him.

So these stories are as irreconcilable as Greek Mythology. They are clearly false, and cannot be the "infallible" word of any "God" as these authors had claimed. They exposed themselves by their own errors.

You not only remain in denial of this, but you even continue on your merry way pretending that only you hold the correct interpretations of these erroneous ancient texts.

And I realize that you will even deny this very observation. But as you yourself have already pointed out ACTIONS speak louder than words. Just because you continually deny what you do doesn't change the fact that you keep doing it.

Good explanations for this

- While Jesus was on earth, he took the form of a peasant. He was not the "judge". God was judging the human race while Jesus was on Earth.

Incorrect again. I have continuously stated if anyone has a different interpretation of any certain verse(s) that are being posted to tell me and or post the reasoning it doesn't work. This either doesn't happen, I stand corrected and learn, or I show them their error's. I'm not gonna lie and say I know EVERYTHING. There are things I do not know and or may be mistaken about. That is what "discussing" is good for. I have learned a lot while talking in this forum.

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God created everything in existence. If God didn't create it, in this case Jesus. Then explain this please.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

...................

Ok Cowboy,you say you don't mind correction.....

ok.....so yes..God created everything in existence.....

but God and Jesus ( the WORD become flesh) and the Holy Spirit were

all right there together in the VERY beginning...as ONE GOD.

Yes..the Word became flesh...but God did not CREATE flesh...

He BECAME flesh....so therefore, God did NOT create

Jesus....because Jesus ( the WORD) was WITH the Father from the

beginning.

God did NOT change from Who He always was, when he became GOD in the flesh...

GOD DOES NOT CHANGE.

ALL GOD CREATED , HE CREATED IN THE BEGINNING ...

THEN GOD RESTED.

God did not create Himself....God always was and will be.

................................................



Heaven is earned through our faith. You can't "buy" your way into heaven, or do things out of vein in hopes of "buttering" God up. Heaven is a gift, eternal life is a gift. First action taken to receive this gift is accepting Jesus Christ as lord and savior. With that action being done, you have "earned" heaven. We are to abide by the laws set out before us, yes there is forgiveness for the times we stumble. But actions speak louder then words, if one claims they have accepted Jesus as lord and savior, they then will do their best to abide by his laws. Again, yes I realize heaven can't be "bought" but there are some requirements before one can enter into heaven, they have to earn this gift.




Ok Cowboy....please understand now.... SALVATION is a

FREE GIFT OF GRACE....NOT heaven ......heaven automatically

follows as a reward, but only AFTER one RECEIVES this free gift

of grace FIRST (Salvation),by FAITH BELIEVING.


And after one is truly saved , one WILL WANT to keep God's

commandments out of LOVE FOR GOD NOW..

Heaven is not earned by works....neither is salvation earned by works..

the works WILL follow if one is saved....cause again, one will

WANT to please God IF they are TRULY saved now.

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Not in exacts. Jesus is the word of God in flesh. The bible is a collection of knowledge about God's word. What would make the difference if the bible was called morphimous, Flandy, or any othe random name you can think of? The bible itself can not save you from death. Only following the knowledge it contains can save you from death.


Cowboy,The bible is MORE than just a collection...

the bible is

Holy Spirit inspired, the Inerrant Word of God..not just a

collection of knowledge .(read the links I shared in this thread earlier)

MANY books contain Knowlege and wisdom, but ONLY the Bible is God

Breathed....Holy Spiirt Inspired....the Living Word.

....................................................




Not true. Think it's mainly only the baptists that believe this specific thing. I'm pretty sure it's the Jahovah witnesses that don't even think Jesus was the son of God or God himself. A lot of them think him to be just a prophet.



Cowboy, if you don't BELIEVE that God the Father,

God the Son,

and God the Holy Spirit ,

are the 3 in ONE GODHEAD ,

then only God can REVEAL this BASIC TRUTH to you, thru His Holy Spirit.

I can't......Only God can do that.

I like to call all of God's "creation" a "manifestation."

Including humans.

We also are God manifest.

We are not "created."

That is my belief because God is also in me and part of me, I am also God manifested.

ALL OF MANKIND IS GOD MADE FLESH.

GOD MANIFEST IS THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE.

No, that's a non-explanation. It doesn't work.

Why not? Well the answer is simple. Jesus was dying on the cross, yet he was asking God to forgive the people who were crucifying him. However, what would be the point to that? Clearly Jesus was going to die BEFORE any of those people, so by the time those people would be judged, Jesus would have already been promoted to "judge".

Face it Cowboy, these fables are riddled with totally irreparable convoluted contradictions. They are every bit as absurd and insane as anything in Greek Mythology.

You continually cling to extremely lame explanations in an effort to support these fables at all cost. But none of this desperate grasping at straws changes a thing. These fables are riddled with absurdities.

I have to agree with Cowboy on this one. The Bible is not God's living word. It is just a book.

The living word existed before the bible was ever written ... by man.

Well, you seldom "Stand corrected".

I've personally corrected you on quite many concepts in the Bible.

The only two concepts I've seen you accept from me, were the fact that you were originally in error when you had claimed that God doesn't play favorites. That was quite a few months ago. I showed you in no uncertain terms that the Bible clearly has God "choosing" the Jews or Israelites as his favorite people and Israel as his favorite nation.

Then, for the longest time you refuse to accept that there exist a "hell" for humans, until I showed you in the New Testament using a quote directly attributed to Jesus that Jesus himself said that those who do not make it to eternal life will end up in everlasting punishment.

In fact, you continued to refuse to call that place "hell", but at least you finally acknowledged that a place of eternal punishment must exist if you are to honor the "WORDS" of Jesus.

So I've taught you at least a couple things from the Bible. MorningSong is trying to teach you some more.

You've stated that you are hear to learn. So at least you have good teachers.

Well, I agree with MorningSong's basic sentiments.

The Bible is either, the "inerrant word of God", or it's totally untrustworthy and undependable.

One or the other.

If it contains errors, or anything that isn't the direct inerrant word of God, then it's a totally useless book because it would then contain errors, fallacies, and possible thoughts of men that did not originate from God.

So it's either the "inerrant word of God", or it's totally untrustworthy and undependable.

I personally choose to believe the latter. It's just a collection of man-made fables, some of which may contain some spiritual truths purely by coincidence.

But it would be foolish to cherish the entire book as the "inerrant word of God", if in fact it isn't.

And I don't see how it possibly could be since it clearly contains countless errors and absurdities.

Yes, the WORD existed right from the very beginning.

And the bible is the Word of God....

and becomes LIVING when it enters and illuminates our hearts ,

as we allow His word entrance.