well iam not telling you you are wrong either.
so you believe wha you believe so what makes you anymore right than someone of a different religion. you cant ignore it. you cant just simply hide away. in your eyes hes going to a hell for not beliving what you believe and same thing in his head. he thinks your going to hell for not believing in what he believes. how does that work. in reality from me looking on the outside it just looks like 2 people disagreeing with something and the issue isnt going anywhere. with that just being said I dont understand how people can just continue on. Religion contradicts itself, because there are so many different ones and people just continue with the same thinking pattern.

Atheism isn't a belief??? Is it not a belief that there isn't a supreme power???? Yes they call them churches. Are they not allowed to call them that?

as far as the Supreme Court ruling....the guy was already a prisoner. So if you say Atheism isn't a religion, then they would have no rights under the constitution.....correct????

Main Entry: be·lief

1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence

Religion is any belief in a deity or deities of unknown or unseen origin that has a book or set of doctrines that determine actions for the practitioners.

Atheism by definition is not that.

atheists isnt a religion, its not on the same foundation as chrisitanity or islam, or anything. its a belief yes, but its not a mythical belief based on something that similar to a organized religion. you know the difference between the two, they are clearly not the same, not even the same origin. the ONLY similarity is that they are a belief. thats about it.

and with as many differnet churches. that should tell you something right there. a church divided is no church at all.

when did I say I was more right than anyone else??? YOU misread it. I don't think I'm any better than anyone else or more right. It's just MY belief just as yours is YOUR belief.

ok...so the Supreme Court was wrong and this Atheist prisoner has no rights protected under the constitution for his beliefs????

I don't buy that

They made it a religion for a purpose in that court ruling for a purpose not for a blanket ruling that atheism is a religion.

They call their meeting places churches to be facetious. It is suppose to be humorous. To go to church to be unchurched.....lol That is funny.

Atheism by definition is not a religion.

again...so Atheists aren't protected under the 1st Amendment?

Of course they are they just are not a religion.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


so if Atheism isn't a religion, then by the 1st Amendment....they aren't protected.

Obviously they called it a religion for the purpose of prisoners. But it isn't a religion

As long as the religious do not start persecuting the atheists again it will all be fine.

It is not a religion by definition.

then Atheists aren't protected under the 1st Amendment. It's like having your cake and eating it too. Doesn't work that way. Either they are and they get the protection to assemble and such under the Constitution or they don't.

If they aren't a religion then the Supreme Court was wrong and the Atheist prisoners didn't have the right to gather to discuss their beliefs.

I don't agree because I think they do have the right to assemble just like any other religion.

the only way atheisim can be a religion like chritianity if there was a god we believed in. and had rules

People have the right to assemble under other rules of the constitution. They don't need religious protection, just the protection to meet.

In the prison it was needed because in prison they do not have the right to assemble as just prisoners. So it was a special circumstance.

Atheism is not a religion it is logic.

so our forefathers didn't mean religion?

so the definition of religion doesn't apply to Atheists, but the words in the 1st amendment don't apply because it wasn't meant that way?

why do you have to believe in a God? Atheism is a belief that there isn't a God. It's a wide spread belief.

again...if it isn't a religion then it isn't protected under the 1st amendment and I think that is sad

I may not agree with the belief....but they have just as much right as I do to believe in whatever we believe and to meet and assemble.

can't have it both ways

No

Atheism isn't a religion so it doesn't need protection under the religion clause.

All atheist need is the right to assemble. People have the right to assemble just because they want to. They have the right to assemble in protest on the streets if they want and it is not under the religion clause that they get this right.

Atheists outside of prison do not need the first ammendment because they are not a religion.

Atheist get to assemble just because they are people who assemble which is a right somewhere else in the bill of rights.

I have been here for a long time and have noticed quite a bit. People complain about a certain religion bashing others or shoving their beliefs down people's throat, but I see all sides doing this as well. I believe what I believe and I have that right just as others have the right to believe what they believe.

I find it hypocritical in this world when it's ok for me to do this but not you type of attitudes.

Something I just don't get.

then the supreme court wasn't needed to rule. Since he was in prison, he should have complied with the prisons rules and not fought it?

I was under the impression that Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a God.

You cannot have a belief that something does not exist. That is like a double negative.

Its just a disagreement with the people who do believe in God.

One person says: I believe in God.
The other persons says: I don't believe.

Not believing is not a "belief."