MsHarmony ...since you sometimes in the forum praise cowboy for his christian faith...would he be an example of those minglers that you are referring to that could share without attacks or insults

From what I have seen, when his beliefs and faith arent insulted or questioned, I think he could share quite a bit about what he believes without being insulting,,,

MsHarmony...if Cowboy is a shining example of the people you are talking about then the Mingle2 moderator gods knew exactly what they were doing when they made different forums for each religion

Cowboy once made a statement that no babies drown in the great flood because they were all on Noah's Ark in an attempt to make his god appear as a nice guy.....but according to you it is ok for him to share that type of mis-information in the thread but no one should question or correct it

Well, I never put him forth as a 'shining example' of anything. As far as the misinformation, as I said before, if it is taken in the context of what he believes,,I dont see why that shouldnt be beyond sharing as well.

Plenty of google sites have misinformation, we have the freedom to take them as an individuals attempt to explain something and move on,,,however accurate we may or may not feel it to be.

I was just suggesting a forum that allows minglers to give information to each other without it being a debate about accuracy or validity, just a sharing of information as if we had googled it on a website. I just prefer to hear it from a live person at the other end of the broadband connection than from a stagnant page on the web.

MsHarmony...in that case Mingle2 already have a forum for that ....it's called the "Jokes and Funny Stories" forum

also can you make the claim that there is no one in this forum that would ever claim that any of your posts felt like an attack or belittlement upon them

I fail to get your point, peoples faith, like their culture, is not a joke or a funny story.

As to what other people feel, I cant and wouldnt comment. I just know as an adult, I can share how I live and what I believe without ever ONCE needing to comment on how someone else does. Most times in these posts we give our opinions and comments, however, on the subject of faith, I would like to have one thread that steers away from the personal attacks and personal accusations in favor of learning something new.

that you would suggest that it's ok for someone to spread false information about a particular religion which out question...is the joke

just because one claims to be a Christian doesn't mean they have the right to spread false information about the religion and then another Christian or someone else not correct them...that in itselfs belittles the religion and the believers

someone may also be what is called a "sleeper cell"...they play like they are of a particular religion just so they can spread false information about the religion....

Of course not, I am not against faith at all not implying it be outlawed.

I agree with you about about keeping it out of our government. That didn't happen under the Dippic...

I was speaking about the Un-American people who claim that the US is a Christian Nation...of course the sane people regard America as a diverse society. They can find anonther country to claim...this one is not it.

We can add the religious extremist tag to the people who think that America is a "Christian nation".

Thx El Jay! I can always use a good laugh! seriously funny stuff.
Let's give it up to the comedy stylings of El Jay!
Do you do stand up or do you just throw in the occasional witty funnyness?
Seriously, thx for breaking up this seemingly petty bickering.
This whole section is a prime example why I don't get into these debates in real life.

Learning something new is often through dispute and conflict. One cannot learn anything from those who are just like them. Differences usually show themselves in conflict or confrontation rather than agreement.

You just want to read and not comment on what someone believes? Or have anyone comment on yours? Or you just want everyone to agree with everyone else??? LOL

Reading on the internet is what you want to do.

Ejay and Arc, you are both sorely incorrect.

Since the bible is not a historical document there is very little proof of Jesus.

So if anyone needs correction you both do.

I think this is besides the point , as I said, there are plenty of websites that give false information but the point is the information is there. I would like the same availablity of information from those who are actually INVOLVED with the faith (or absence of) in a current and daily basis

The way for a christian to refute false information in such a thread would just be to also share THEIR beliefs. WE are all wise enough to compare and come to our own conclusions,, just as we would any websites.

No. Actually what I posted was that I want to hear a more personal explanation from someone in real time not some webpage that has been posted at some random time by some random people. I dont want to JUST get the information from websites ,,that was my whole point.

MsHarmony......why would the false information need to be refuted ...

It's not false to them...and many of them will kill you to prove it.

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but in MsHarmony vision or what the thread or forum should be, she stated that the validity of any "share beliefs" would not be questioned or debated ...and to "refute" contradicts this and turns it into a debate

so when it comes to false information about a religion that may appear in the thread ....why is it ok to "refute"

as Morpheus would say to Neo while in The Matrix ....

"what does getting information in real time or from a webpage has anything to do with, in a place like this"

......is that air your avatar is breathing?

I think they want only to reinforce their faith because they want to believe it as truth. Of course I share some of the same beliefs as they do...like as in "shall not kill", tho~ I am really about that belief and they just pretend to be....or we would not have had so many wars over their faith. The posterchild you are replying to lives in a "truthiness" world...tries to dilute the conversation with vague wUrds and without backing anything up...not even sure the individual can Google or maybe is too lazy to reference anything past scripture. Wants everything predisposed as a "truth" and cannot think outside that tiny narrowed box...er, book.

The only "false information" they acknowledge is anything that does not fit their world view...they were brainwashed at an early age and refuse to change, grow up.

In a narrow sense, there is merit to Eljay's statements wrt Nostradamus and Shakespeare - but I'd say he's setting the bar very low. Very, very, low. As far as Washinton/Napolean, I'm guessing his literal statement is defensible from a very narrow approach, while also being misleading for those who haven't dissected the approach. Further, I'm fairly certain he is only speaking of the 'historical person' of Jesus when he says "Christ". The question of 'Jesus' existence is different from the question of whether he was a 'Christ'.




I'm pretty sure Arc was disagreeing with Eljay.

ARE you really trying to use an argument to prove Jesus existed by saying there's no proof of other's existences?...when there IS proof of others?

Show me a painting of "Jesus"...(I like the caucasion one of him with him having blue eyes LOLOLOLOL.)

If George Washington never existed then maybe there's a chance the Dippic wasn't real either...maybe that was just a nightmare. I wish, look at the proof from the damage he caused in the name of god...



"Most of the images we have of Jesus today are probably not accurate. Jesus was a Jew, so He likely had dark skin, dark eyes, and dark hair. This is a far cry from the blond-haired, blue-eyed, fair-skinned Jesus in many modern pictures. One thing is clear: if it were important for us to know what He really did look like, Matthew, Peter and John, who spent three years with Him, would certainly be able to give us an accurate description, as would His own brothers, James and Jude. Yet, these New Testament writers offer no details about His physical attributes"

Even the people who supposedly knew him never described him in detail...I'd say your arguments lack any facts what-so-ever.

Nostradamus, Shakespeare, Napolean all had portraits at least...but to even deny they certainly existed is absurd on it's own.