someone can post something that is not directed at anyone personally but others may feel that the post did attack and belittles their religion ...so are you now stating that belittlement posts are ok as long as they are not directed at anyone personally

I am stating now that perhaps it would need to be a small group of people who could reasonably conclude how to discuss their own belief without attacking anyone else about theirs,,,, I do this with my family EVERY DAY,, none of us really need to explain to each other what is offensive or what a personal attack is....

I did this in school discussions as well, where PERSONAL attacks werent permitted, and ,even as children, we were pretty clear on how to conduct such a conversation.

but MsHarmony...have you done the same in these forums everyday ...

No, thus the statement that 'it WOULD BE nice' to do ,,as opposed to 'it HAS been nice'

if you do it then isn't it uncanny that you would complain about others doing it

nothing uncanny about wanting people to get along,,,but hard to get along with those who wish to disrupt

I do not go through life hitting anyone,, but I certainly am inclined to hit back in response to someone attacking me

It is always nice to be in an environment where one doesnt feel attacked. Particularly in discussion and conversation that is aimed at learning anything,, once someone feels attacked, they go into a defensive mode that switches their energy from sharing to defending and the discussion,ultimately, regresses quite quickly.

Back on topic: It would be nice if some people could reference the material instead of lamely discussing it outside the simple realities, such as there is no proof of a god or even a Jesus guy, that religious extremists are the ball and chain on progressing humans as a species and accounts for most all the damage in history...even recently with their "god appointed" Dippic...

I guess they will not click the link and explore this org's information and consider that they could benefit themselves and more importantly humanity by understanding. No, they just write nonsense. It's no wonder that they get or feign being "attacked"...they ask for it by posting nonsense.

http://recoveringreligionists.com/

"Ask a person about something normal and watch their reaction, then ask them about religion. You will notice a marked difference: their eyes will light up, they will become enthusiastic (even consumed), their voices will become more intense etc. One needs to realized that those infected with the god virus are just that - infected - and their organism is impaired, particularly in the areas of reason and communication. Logic is NOT the answer - why would you argue with a cold virus?

To have a chance at talking sanity into a believer, realize that defensive people do not learn because defensive people do not listen. Pissing people off is not a good strategy. Ignore the god virus personality, and focus instead on the emotion of the person, and take it from there. For example, if a believer says "my daughter was sick, I prayed and God cured her", answer "I hear you are concerned about your daughter's health", and speak to the human, leaving religion entirely aside.

How to inoculate kids against religion: similarly to the pre-vaccine era practice of taking kids to groups of other kids who were infected, expose children to many god viruses. This will help them realize the nonsense that each virus preaches, and how many contradict each other in flagrant ways."

but the point was that you just admitted to be one of those that cause and/or participate in these disruptions...

I participate,, I dont cause. My preference is logical and respectful posts and behavior,,but when I witness or am receiver of personal attack, I do respond to either deflect someone elses personal attack or to defend an attack upon myself.

Back on topic: It would be nice if some people could reference the material instead of lamely discussing it outside the simple realities, such as there is no proof of a god or even a Jesus guy, that religious extremists are the ball and chain on progressing humans as a species and account for most all the damage in history...most recently with their "god appointed" Dippic...

I guess they will not click the link and explore this org's information and consider that they could benefit themselves and more importantly humanity by understanding. No, they just write nonsense. It's no wonder that they get or feign being "attacked"...they ask for it by posting nonsense.

http://recoveringreligionists.com/

"Ask a person about something normal and watch their reaction, then ask them about religion. You will notice a marked difference: their eyes will light up, they will become enthusiastic (even consumed), their voices will become more intense etc. One needs to realized that those infected with the god virus are just that - infected - and their organism is impaired, particularly in the areas of reason and communication. Logic is NOT the answer - why would you argue with a cold virus?

To have a chance at talking sanity into a believer, realize that defensive people do not learn because defensive people do not listen. Pissing people off is not a good strategy. Ignore the god virus personality, and focus instead on the emotion of the person, and take it from there. For example, if a believer says "my daughter was sick, I prayed and God cured her", answer "I hear you are concerned about your daughter's health", and speak to the human, leaving religion entirely aside.

How to inoculate kids against religion: similarly to the pre-vaccine era practice of taking kids to groups of other kids who were infected, expose children to many god viruses. This will help them realize the nonsense that each virus preaches, and how many contradict each other in flagrant ways."

I am locking this topic. Please remember in the future to debate/discuss the topic or post and not the poster(s).

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, no matter what they might be.

Kim