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I know cause i read alot on this forum and read people responces to his comments. Maybe not most people are made upset by him but many. Okay, I hear you now. I've never read or heard of anything along the lines of following christ will upset anyone can you teach me something with the scripture of it? I know people will look down on you and pretty much belittle you cause of your following of the lord, but not that it will upset them in particular. I don't know the book and verse number, though I'm sure you've heard the scripture I'm speaking of, even if you disagree with that interpretation. I've heard it so many times from some Christian who congratulate themselves on creating conflict and negativity in their community. They say that the Bible tells them that those kinds of ****-storms are predicted to happen when a Christian is 'doing the right thing', and then they cite scripture. I consider those kinds of 'negative responses' to be a form of 'upsetting'...thought that may not be what you meant when you said that Funches isn't Jesus-inspired because the Jesus-inspired would not upset people. |
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Example: one person says ' I believe christ died for our sins and noone gets to see the Father but through the son' the next person says "I believe christ was not the son of God but the human son of Mary and Joseph and that he spoke wisely but did not save us from sin. ...so far noone is belittled,,,, the third person says " there is no proof Christ ever existed, those who believe in him must also believe in santa claus' DING DING DING,,, belittling anothers belief I'm responding to your words as written - perhaps you are referring to a comment which I would find belittling if I saw it in context. Taking your words without context, though, as written....the idea that that is 'belittling' is your perception. To me, that person might simply be being straightforward in their opinion - and while I disagree with the phrase "must also", the basic idea that these beliefs might be comparable seems reasonable to me. Should we be discouraged from expressing such comparisons because someone else might be offended, in their own sensitivity? I agree. To say Christ is the same as Santa Claus is not belittling at all. I think there may be more proof of Santa's existence than Christ's. Because someone doesn't revere what you revere doesn't make it belittling to anyone at all. A person best know that if they believe something as "transparent and murky" as a religion it will be questioned and unbelieved and rightly so. Yes. My point was obviously COMPLETELY lost for some reason. I was interested in starting a thread where people MERELY shared what their own beliefs entailed, without needing to comment on anyone elses belief. Perhaps I will try at a later time to get some interest in such a thread as this has turned into far more of a philisophical debate than my simple question was ever intended to be. Why would anyone want to "merely share their own beliefs without needing to comment on anyone elses"? What would be the point? I can state my beliefs on here but the point is for others to be able to comment, question, examine, dispute, disagree, etc... if I don't want that to happen I will not post my belief. The point would be to give insight into another way of life,,,,but I have already conceded that this is perhaps just not a place where enough have an interest to merely read and learn,,,, I guess we should just stick to googling information about other cultures or religions instead of hearing from those who are a part of them Religion is not a culture, among other things it is mind control. Now if you want to discuss the many different methods used for mind control in religions, I can go for that. I actually have studied many different religions so I do know a bit about them. The secret to religion is you have to read the books with no belief that god had any hand in it and then you can actually see the religion for what it is. Then you can determine if it is worth further investment or if it a positive effect on humanity at all. |
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funches doesn't bother anyone, he is harmless I trying to acheive Satanhood ...oops I meant sainthood |
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funches doesn't bother anyone, he is harmless I trying to acheive Satanhood ...oops I meant sainthood I know. You are already there   
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Edited by
MiddleEarthling
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Thu 01/07/10 07:21 PM
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Example: one person says ' I believe christ died for our sins and noone gets to see the Father but through the son' the next person says "I believe christ was not the son of God but the human son of Mary and Joseph and that he spoke wisely but did not save us from sin. ...so far noone is belittled,,,, the third person says " there is no proof Christ ever existed, those who believe in him must also believe in santa claus' DING DING DING,,, belittling anothers belief I'm responding to your words as written - perhaps you are referring to a comment which I would find belittling if I saw it in context. Taking your words without context, though, as written....the idea that that is 'belittling' is your perception. To me, that person might simply be being straightforward in their opinion - and while I disagree with the phrase "must also", the basic idea that these beliefs might be comparable seems reasonable to me. Should we be discouraged from expressing such comparisons because someone else might be offended, in their own sensitivity? I agree. To say Christ is the same as Santa Claus is not belittling at all. I think there may be more proof of Santa's existence than Christ's. Because someone doesn't revere what you revere doesn't make it belittling to anyone at all. A person best know that if they believe something as "transparent and murky" as a religion it will be questioned and unbelieved and rightly so. Yes. My point was obviously COMPLETELY lost for some reason. I was interested in starting a thread where people MERELY shared what their own beliefs entailed, without needing to comment on anyone elses belief. Perhaps I will try at a later time to get some interest in such a thread as this has turned into far more of a philisophical debate than my simple question was ever intended to be. Why would anyone want to "merely share their own beliefs without needing to comment on anyone elses"? What would be the point? I can state my beliefs on here but the point is for others to be able to comment, question, examine, dispute, disagree, etc... if I don't want that to happen I will not post my belief. The point would be to give insight into another way of life,,,,but I have already conceded that this is perhaps just not a place where enough have an interest to merely read and learn,,,, I guess we should just stick to googling information about other cultures or religions instead of hearing from those who are a part of them Religion is not a culture, among other things it is mind control. Now if you want to discuss the many different methods used for mind control in religions, I can go for that. I actually have studied many different religions so I do know a bit about them. The secret to religion is you have to read the books with no belief that god had any hand in it and then you can actually see the religion for what it is. Then you can determine if it is worth further investment or if it a positive effect on humanity at all. Cultish would be a description...When I was 15 a babe neighbor tried to turn me onto her cult..I felt the high from accepting her high I guess...later on I felt like an idiot...but once again virus protected. Here's a good book on the damage it can and does cause humanity.  http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?box=9781594202308&pos=-1&EAN=9781594202308&cm_mmc=Yahoo-_-Hit%20List_Dec%2009_Book-_-Denialism_Michael%20Specter-_-denialism&cm_mmca1=11215399&utm_source=Yahoo&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Hit_List_Dec_09_Book&utm_creative=Denialism_Michael_Specter+{creative}&iq_id=11215399&H000000013 |
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No, I just wanted to hear from a Buddhist about what their belief entails, and perhaps a muslim about what their belief entails,,and etc,, and etc,, instead of just relying on google or media. I did want a sharing thread, like a show and tell about religions. There are really only two forums (that I can see) which have anything to do with religion and I felt christian singles would imply that no other religion or belief except christianity would be expressed or shared. This was the only other thread, general religion. I just generally wanted to know about OTHER peoples religions and faiths and beliefs...not judge them or comment on them,,,perhaps its too odd an idea? I know I'm repeating myself, but I still say 'just do it'. I wouldn't expect much support from the participants in this thread - we have sorta been 'selected' already for a tolerance of or enjoyment of debate. There is a guy who seems to have created the same 'death penalty' thread at least a half dozen times. Its a bit amusing to me. He usually starts with a very short post, posing a question: "For or against?" and then the thread usually languishes for a while, with a few comments, but it almost always turns into a heated argument and goes for many pages. A few weeks or months later, he'll start it all over again. By then, there are many new people on here, who don't even realize its been done before. I think a thread focused on "sharing your beliefs' would be worth repeating again..and again...as the site continues to gain new members. |
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Example: one person says ' I believe christ died for our sins and noone gets to see the Father but through the son' the next person says "I believe christ was not the son of God but the human son of Mary and Joseph and that he spoke wisely but did not save us from sin. ...so far noone is belittled,,,, the third person says " there is no proof Christ ever existed, those who believe in him must also believe in santa claus' DING DING DING,,, belittling anothers belief I'm responding to your words as written - perhaps you are referring to a comment which I would find belittling if I saw it in context. Taking your words without context, though, as written....the idea that that is 'belittling' is your perception. To me, that person might simply be being straightforward in their opinion - and while I disagree with the phrase "must also", the basic idea that these beliefs might be comparable seems reasonable to me. Should we be discouraged from expressing such comparisons because someone else might be offended, in their own sensitivity? I agree. To say Christ is the same as Santa Claus is not belittling at all. I think there may be more proof of Santa's existence than Christ's. Because someone doesn't revere what you revere doesn't make it belittling to anyone at all. A person best know that if they believe something as "transparent and murky" as a religion it will be questioned and unbelieved and rightly so. Yes. My point was obviously COMPLETELY lost for some reason. I was interested in starting a thread where people MERELY shared what their own beliefs entailed, without needing to comment on anyone elses belief. Perhaps I will try at a later time to get some interest in such a thread as this has turned into far more of a philisophical debate than my simple question was ever intended to be. Why would anyone want to "merely share their own beliefs without needing to comment on anyone elses"? What would be the point? I can state my beliefs on here but the point is for others to be able to comment, question, examine, dispute, disagree, etc... if I don't want that to happen I will not post my belief. The point would be to give insight into another way of life,,,,but I have already conceded that this is perhaps just not a place where enough have an interest to merely read and learn,,,, I guess we should just stick to googling information about other cultures or religions instead of hearing from those who are a part of them Religion is not a culture, among other things it is mind control. Now if you want to discuss the many different methods used for mind control in religions, I can go for that. I actually have studied many different religions so I do know a bit about them. The secret to religion is you have to read the books with no belief that god had any hand in it and then you can actually see the religion for what it is. Then you can determine if it is worth further investment or if it a positive effect on humanity at all. perhaps another time then, this seems futile,,,,, |
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it is indeed sad then, that adults cant refrain from insult to share their beliefs....but perhaps you have a point, judging from how these things usually go,,, MsHarmony...even people that are married to each other may be incapable of sharing beliefs without insults ... so what do you want...everyone to hold hands and sing we are the world .....by suggesting that people can not refrain from insults suggest that only you are capable of doing so you know you have been known to get in a couple of good punches in yourself ...so what you say....can we just debate and let the moderators do their job certainly,, carry on, I will try another time to encourage a discussion that doesnt resort to insults... |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Thu 01/07/10 07:33 PM
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Yea, I see very little new on the threads, sadly.
I do get pleasantly surprised on occasion. Harmony, the reason the Christians have their own thread that only appears for the members who mark Christian in their profile is because they all had the same complaint. They want to discuss with those who agree with them. There are enough of them to make the need for this exclusive thread. So they are obviously a large force on this site. Or maybe there is one for each religion, I don't know. I am not religious and am truthful on my profile. |
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it is indeed sad then, that adults cant refrain from insult to share their beliefs....but perhaps you have a point, judging from how these things usually go,,, MsHarmony...even people that are married to each other may be incapable of sharing beliefs without insults ... so what do you want...everyone to hold hands and sing we are the world .....by suggesting that people can not refrain from insults suggest that only you are capable of doing so you know you have been known to get in a couple of good punches in yourself ...so what you say....can we just debate and let the moderators do their job certainly,, carry on, I will try another time to encourage a discussion that doesnt resort to insults... MsHarmony....such a miracles couldn't even take place in Church ...even the priest during the services will launch personal attacks against Satan and his belief |
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Edited by
massagetrade
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Thu 01/07/10 07:44 PM
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Harmony, the reason the Christians have their own thread ... Or maybe there is one for each religion, I don't know. I am not religious and am truthful on my profile. Based on my observations from two years ago, I think you are correct that Christians were unhappy due to feeling heckled. They would try to create a simple 'well wishing' thread (like: "please pray for so and so"), and non-believers and the anti-religious would leave negative comments. I agree with both sides: its nice to express positive support for someone, without negative comments...and the specific 'form' of the positive message invoked ideas which I think are harmful to our society, and should be spoken against. But afaik everyone has a religion section. I checked 'atheist/agnostic' and we have a section for atheists/agnostics only. Edit: Hey, you could put "non-religious" instead of "no answer"...I think you would then be a part of the 'non-religious' forum. |
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Yea, I see very little new on the threads, sadly. I do get pleasantly surprised on occasion. Harmony, the reason the Christians have their own thread that only appears for the members who mark Christian in their profile is because they all had the same complaint. They want to discuss with those who agree with them. There are enough of them to make the need for this exclusive thread. So they are obviously a large force on this site. Or maybe there is one for each religion, I don't know. I am not religious and am truthful on my profile. maybe we can ask the moderators to have a"Christian Singles forum Heathen Day" when all the religion forums for one day "Mingle-2-gather" as one and share beliefs without attacks or belittlement |
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Harmony, the reason the Christians have their own thread ... Or maybe there is one for each religion, I don't know. I am not religious and am truthful on my profile. Based on my observations from two years ago, I think you are correct that Christians were unhappy due to feeling heckled. They would try to create a simple 'well wishing' thread (like: "please pray for so and so"), and non-believers and the anti-religious would leave negative comments. I agree with both sides: its nice to express positive support for someone, without negative comments...and the specific 'form' of the positive message invoked ideas which I think are harmful to our society, and should be spoken against. But afaik everyone has a religion section. I checked 'atheist/agnostic' and we have a section for atheists/agnostics only. Edit: Hey, you could put "non-religious" instead of "no answer"...I think you would then be a part of the 'non-religious' forum. Hmmm that is good to know. Thanks |
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Edited by
massagetrade
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certainly,, carry on, I will try another time to encourage a discussion that doesnt resort to insults... See, this may have something to do with your points getting lost. Did you want a conversation based on sharing, or a conversation devoid of insults? You seem to be implying that if we aren't 'just sharing', we will end up being insulting. And is this conversation really so insulting, or is that just a matter of perception? The most blatant insults I've noticed in the last page and a half was from Cowboy, directed at Funches. Edit: Cowboy, I am not saying that to criticize you, and I have no issue with your statements. I'm just making this comment to illustrate the bias we have in our perception. |
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Yea, I see very little new on the threads, sadly. I do get pleasantly surprised on occasion. Harmony, the reason the Christians have their own thread that only appears for the members who mark Christian in their profile is because they all had the same complaint. They want to discuss with those who agree with them. There are enough of them to make the need for this exclusive thread. So they are obviously a large force on this site. Or maybe there is one for each religion, I don't know. I am not religious and am truthful on my profile. maybe we can ask the moderators to have a"Christian Singles forum Heathen Day" when all the religion forums for one day "Mingle-2-gather" as one and share beliefs without attacks or belittlement Does that include the non religious folks too? I saw the word heathen but wasn't for sure??? |
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Yea, I see very little new on the threads, sadly. I do get pleasantly surprised on occasion. Harmony, the reason the Christians have their own thread that only appears for the members who mark Christian in their profile is because they all had the same complaint. They want to discuss with those who agree with them. There are enough of them to make the need for this exclusive thread. So they are obviously a large force on this site. Or maybe there is one for each religion, I don't know. I am not religious and am truthful on my profile. maybe we can ask the moderators to have a"Christian Singles forum Heathen Day" when all the religion forums for one day "Mingle-2-gather" as one and share beliefs without attacks or belittlement What's the matter with these people on this thread...they've got exclusive religious rooms to lie to each other in but they instead come here and feign attack....oh poor pitiful me eh? Is that an only defense of their faith when they have no proof of it? Of course faith IS believing in something that cannot be proven...yet they insist the opposite thus the God Virus infects the planet. America is still trying to recover from their god appointed Dippic and his GOP hitmen,..I hope the people who voted for facism leave this country...they surely don't respect it. Take Sarah Palin with them.... 
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Thu 01/07/10 08:25 PM
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Now I have to disagree Middle.
I agree given too much power it is dangerous but if a person personally chooses it and keeps it at home or church and out of the government of all, they should have that right. I would never deny a person the right even if I feel it is a waste of time and energy for them. Just as I won't stop people from smoking, eating fatty foods, skydiving, deep sea diving, bungy jumping, etc.... A person has a right to do things that are not good for them as long as they are only hurting themselves. |
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Example: one person says ' I believe christ died for our sins and noone gets to see the Father but through the son' the next person says "I believe christ was not the son of God but the human son of Mary and Joseph and that he spoke wisely but did not save us from sin. ...so far noone is belittled,,,, the third person says " there is no proof Christ ever existed, those who believe in him must also believe in santa claus' DING DING DING,,, belittling anothers belief I'm responding to your words as written - perhaps you are referring to a comment which I would find belittling if I saw it in context. Taking your words without context, though, as written....the idea that that is 'belittling' is your perception. To me, that person might simply be being straightforward in their opinion - and while I disagree with the phrase "must also", the basic idea that these beliefs might be comparable seems reasonable to me. Should we be discouraged from expressing such comparisons because someone else might be offended, in their own sensitivity? I agree. To say Christ is the same as Santa Claus is not belittling at all. I think there may be more proof of Santa's existence than Christ's. Because someone doesn't revere what you revere doesn't make it belittling to anyone at all. A person best know that if they believe something as "transparent and murky" as a religion it will be questioned and unbelieved and rightly so. Actually - there's as much, if not more "proof" that Christ existed than there is for Nostradamus - Shakespeare - Napolean - even George Washington for that matter. so, either you should adjust your thinking - or just state the disclaimer that your opinion is not clouded by petty things such as facts. |
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certainly,, carry on, I will try another time to encourage a discussion that doesnt resort to insults... See, this may have something to do with your points getting lost. Did you want a conversation based on sharing, or a conversation devoid of insults? You seem to be implying that if we aren't 'just sharing', we will end up being insulting. And is this conversation really so insulting, or is that just a matter of perception? The most blatant insults I've noticed in the last page and a half was from Cowboy, directed at Funches. Edit: Cowboy, I am not saying that to criticize you, and I have no issue with your statements. I'm just making this comment to illustrate the bias we have in our perception. Yes, I would like eventually to have a thread that is both JUST sharing and void of personal attacks and religious insults. I have such conversations about many topics with other people , I have had wonderful sharing moments with minglers here, where we disagree, but dont insult. I think there are probably many minglers able to do that type of sharing, I just have to wait a bit longer and spark their interest. |
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Yea, I see very little new on the threads, sadly. I do get pleasantly surprised on occasion. Harmony, the reason the Christians have their own thread that only appears for the members who mark Christian in their profile is because they all had the same complaint. They want to discuss with those who agree with them. There are enough of them to make the need for this exclusive thread. So they are obviously a large force on this site. Or maybe there is one for each religion, I don't know. I am not religious and am truthful on my profile. maybe we can ask the moderators to have a"Christian Singles forum Heathen Day" when all the religion forums for one day "Mingle-2-gather" as one and share beliefs without attacks or belittlement Does that include the non religious folks too? I saw the word heathen but wasn't for sure??? it can be a new forum called "The Anti-Holy War Forum" the non-religious,agnostics, free thinkers or those that watch star trek or the sci-fi channel can enter the forum but won't have the ability to post that way we can observe how holy wars get started as the religious taunt each other by posting scriptures that attacks or belittles the other religions ...stuff like Jesus is the only way to God |
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