So we just pick and chose the ones we want to follow. And the ones we consider anal we just ignore. Gottcha

Obama is our governments representative to all of us. Our government asks us to salute our flag (or to do the civilian equivalent of placing our hand over our hearts). If our government is asking us to do it then Obama is asking us to do it. He has essentially said as much in his speeches.

ROTFLMAO, ok I don't agree on everything with you, but this yeah. and d@mn that's funny.

Depends on the reason behind it, disrespect or immaturity, take your pick.

Only trying to understand what boo said.
Atleast you answer my questions.

I feel the same way. Like I said we are not in %100 agreement, I have changed my stand a little based on other things. But like you I appreciate getting actual answers to my questions and not a bunch of attempted subterfuge

I had to look up subterfuge...stop using dem big words on me

Next time just ask me and I'll 'splain it to you.

thank you the rest of the ignorance was making sick!!

Is it a law to put your hand over your heart during the national anthem? A rule? No. We understand that you do not like it when people don't. And that you do not respect Obama for not doing so during the national anthem in that video. That's fine. However, to make a huge deal out of something small like that, in my opinion, is a bit much.

I would much rather you have Americas best interest at heart than worry about your hand being over your heart during the anthem.

It doesn't represent anything of any value for determining patriotism. Someone can hold their hand over their heart and turn around and do something very unpatriotic.

Aren't choices part of being an american? People keep saying we follow Obama like he is some sort of God. I voted for him, but he is not god, so therefore if he asks me to do something, that doesn't mean I should feel obligated to do it. I should have found a better word to use than anal. I didn't mean to disrespect your particular view of it. To me it's anal, that shouldn't mean that it is for you. So I appologize to you TJN for trivializing your view if you took it that way. I really was not intending that. I meant only that it is anal to me.

Yes I do have a problem with the pledge, and to say it is like asking me to walk on rusty nails. I'll say it if it's a threat to 'your' life and someone tells me I have to say it to save your life. But I'd rather die if someone forced me to say it to save my own, that is how I feel about it.


Davey, fidgeting is a sign of disrespect or immaturity? Fidgeting is the act of moving about restlessly.

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[1] Fidgeting may be a result of nervousness, agitation, boredom or a combination of these. It may be a result of genes. It is often an unconscious act. It may involve playing with one's fingers, hair, or items of clothing. A common act of fidgetry is to bounce one's leg repeatedly. Rings are another common focus of fidgeting; variations include ring spinning, twirling or rolling along a table, often leading to the loss of one's ring. Pen spinning is a highly advanced and skillful form of fidgeting. It is said by some that people fidget after a meal to burn off extra calories.[2] New research has shown people who fidget are generally slimmer and find it harder to put on weight.[3] Parents often consider fidgeting to be a bad habit, especially in schoolchildren.

Research by Dr. Karen Pine and colleagues at the University of Hertfordshire funded by The Economic and Social Research Council found that children that were allowed to fidget with their hands performed better in memory and learning tests.[4]

Fidgeting is moving away from its old stigma and is now considered among the most beneficial of the minor hand activities.
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In fact I often fidget and never thought about the connection to weight loss but I always maintained my weight easily until I got older. I find when I fidget I focus better as well. To assume his fidgeting is a sign of immaturity and or disrespect is unfair.

I am told I am a good listener, but I rarely sit still while listening. I will often ask if the person wants to go for a walk, I think and listen much better when I am moving. I am a very active person. Sitting at the computer is difficult for me so I will often move around a lot while sitting.

I love moving while thinking and learning new things. If that is fidgeting I hope I never stop. Though I can also focus while doing nothing at all, so it's not a constant thing for me either and I have watched Obama a lot when I was deciding if I could vote for him, I tend to watch people closely and found he is not always fidgeting but because i do tend to fidget now and again I saw nothing bad in what he was doing.

He too is a very active and engaged person, something I found as a plus in him as a president.

That is so NOT what anybody is talking about. I suspect you know that and are just trying to avoid the question. No point in continuing on this part of your post.



He did not "fidget" during the elections and such. So none of these are the case in his situation. If he had he may have had a lot harder time winning even against that moronic team from the republican party.



His was not simple hand movement it was his entire body twisting and turning. So again does not apply.



As said, not the same thing. And that is not during a ceremony where one in his position is suppose to be paying attention and showing respect. It's a very short period, I prefer my president to have a much better attention span than a couple min's. Personally I think he does, he just was not showing due respect.



I find that a plus also, but I do not find lack of control a plus. One of the reasons I voted against McCain (among many other reasons)

Are you really complaining about him fidgeting? Isn't that grasping at straws just a bit?

maybe he just has hemmorhoids?

Oh ok well first of all I don't understand why anyone would ask someone to do something they would not do. I wouldn't do it is my answer.

Well I certainly can understand that pov. However because someone has served doesn't necessarily make them a good president either. I do believe the presidents do have advisor's that are familiar with the service. If I find someone more worthy to be president but doesn't have service experience, that isn't going to stop me from voting for them of course.

Sorry the word doesn't really explain what I see in the video but it's the best word I can find. And it's not so much that he's doing it that bothers me. It's that we've all seen the man enough to know the kind of control he does have, which suggests to me that he just doesn't care about what's going on. And yes I do have a problem with that. But then, as I said to TJ a while back, I'm not going to really judge the man based on that one incident but I sure as hell don't see it as a "plus" as boo seems to.