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Good, that means Obama gets to believe differently as well. Yes he can. However as president I would hold him to a slightly higher standard than everyone else. As I pointed out it is within our countries "regulations" that everyone should do this if the flag is present. It would seem inappropriate for our president to refuse to follow this whether he has to or not. I respect that fact that you believe that but who made up those rules? So if some group makes up rules, everyone must follow suite? Where is our freedom in that? I expect my president to be educated and to be reasonable, but I do not expect him to go against his own personal expression. I still would like to know who made up all these rules and regulations? Curious. |
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I read it. All I can say is I have never been fond of ritual made up by people with a vested interest in programing other people. I dont' care what people do with the flag. Some guy somewhere has the flag all over his home, a throw for his couch, etc etc. Why the heck should I be bothered by that? Some one burns a flag, and that ruins me day or my life? Nope... Nope and you shouldn't have to. But our government asks us to do those things, not required but we are asked to. Don't you think if our government asks us to do something that our president should be willing to do it? Otherwise it's a "do as I say and not as I do" sort of thing and that I have no respect for. It's useless Davey! I can't even get an answer to wether the comander in chief should follow the same protocal of the military on this subject. To ask anything more is worse than pulling teeth. And you wont get them to answer the question. |
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Good, that means Obama gets to believe differently as well. Yes he can. However as president I would hold him to a slightly higher standard than everyone else. As I pointed out it is within our countries "regulations" that everyone should do this if the flag is present. It would seem inappropriate for our president to refuse to follow this whether he has to or not. I respect that fact that you believe that but who made up those rules? So if some group makes up rules, everyone must follow suite? Where is our freedom in that? I expect my president to be educated and to be reasonable, but I do not expect him to go against his own personal expression. I still would like to know who made up all these rules and regulations? Curious. So then we shouldn't follow any rules and regulations? |
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 because no one has answered it! Most of us have said what we thought. Repeating the question over and over is not going to get people to change their opinions. |
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because no one has answered it! Most of us have said what we thought. Repeating the question over and over is not going to get people to change their opinions. It's not a matter of opinion. Is obama comander in chief? ANSWER = YES Therefor he should be held to the standards the military has. |
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Edited by
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Good, that means Obama gets to believe differently as well. Yes he can. However as president I would hold him to a slightly higher standard than everyone else. As I pointed out it is within our countries "regulations" that everyone should do this if the flag is present. It would seem inappropriate for our president to refuse to follow this whether he has to or not.They I respect that fact that you believe that but who made up those rules? So if some group makes up rules, everyone must follow suite? Where is our freedom in that? I expect my president to be educated and to be reasonable, but I do not expect him to go against his own personal expression. I still would like to know who made up all these rules and regulations? Curious. these "regulations" were written by our government who specifically I don't know where that would be recorded. I do know it goes back some years. It's not a matter of what "I believe" simple fact those regulations do exist and our government does ask us to follow them. You say you don't like anybod y "telling you what to do", nobody is telling you to do them (as far as these regulations are concerned) they are asking. And if someone asks me to do something then they better well do it themselves otherwise I have no respect for them. Now if you don't have a problem with Obama asking you to do something that he refuses to more power to you. |
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because no one has answered it! Most of us have said what we thought. Repeating the question over and over is not going to get people to change their opinions. It's not a matter of opinion. Is obama comander in chief? ANSWER = YES Therefor he should be held to the standards the military has. Come on now, we are talking about someone who was never in the armed forces. I have a problem what that. Let it be any president, not specifically Obama, but any, I oppose any "commander in chief" who has not served in the military. It's a life changing experience to serve in any branches of the armed forces, I was a different person before I have served. |
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I read it. All I can say is I have never been fond of ritual made up by people with a vested interest in programing other people. I dont' care what people do with the flag. Some guy somewhere has the flag all over his home, a throw for his couch, etc etc. Why the heck should I be bothered by that? Some one burns a flag, and that ruins me day or my life? Nope... Nope and you shouldn't have to. But our government asks us to do those things, not required but we are asked to. Don't you think if our government asks us to do something that our president should be willing to do it? Otherwise it's a "do as I say and not as I do" sort of thing and that I have no respect for. That all depends on what is being asked. The president should not be willing to just do something because it is asked. |
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I read it. All I can say is I have never been fond of ritual made up by people with a vested interest in programing other people. I dont' care what people do with the flag. Some guy somewhere has the flag all over his home, a throw for his couch, etc etc. Why the heck should I be bothered by that? Some one burns a flag, and that ruins me day or my life? Nope... Nope and you shouldn't have to. But our government asks us to do those things, not required but we are asked to. Don't you think if our government asks us to do something that our president should be willing to do it? Otherwise it's a "do as I say and not as I do" sort of thing and that I have no respect for. That all depends on what is being asked. The president should not be willing to just do something because it is asked. The problem here is that as head of our government he's doing the asking. Unless he intends to rewrite the regulations he should follow them. (Quick note I have not said he broke those regulations on putting his hand over his heart, I can't tell from the video. I'm only saying that if he did he was wrong and it's inappropriate). |
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I read it. All I can say is I have never been fond of ritual made up by people with a vested interest in programing other people. I dont' care what people do with the flag. Some guy somewhere has the flag all over his home, a throw for his couch, etc etc. Why the heck should I be bothered by that? Some one burns a flag, and that ruins me day or my life? Nope... Nope and you shouldn't have to. But our government asks us to do those things, not required but we are asked to. Don't you think if our government asks us to do something that our president should be willing to do it? Otherwise it's a "do as I say and not as I do" sort of thing and that I have no respect for. It's useless Davey! I can't even get an answer to wether the comander in chief should follow the same protocal of the military on this subject. To ask anything more is worse than pulling teeth. And you wont get them to answer the question. TJ, not everyone is going to think the way you do. You don't think the way I do and I am not at all frustrated by that. We just don't see things the same way. If we all thought exactly alike we might as well all be robots following ritual. |
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Good, that means Obama gets to believe differently as well. Yes he can. However as president I would hold him to a slightly higher standard than everyone else. As I pointed out it is within our countries "regulations" that everyone should do this if the flag is present. It would seem inappropriate for our president to refuse to follow this whether he has to or not. I respect that fact that you believe that but who made up those rules? So if some group makes up rules, everyone must follow suite? Where is our freedom in that? I expect my president to be educated and to be reasonable, but I do not expect him to go against his own personal expression. I still would like to know who made up all these rules and regulations? Curious. So then we shouldn't follow any rules and regulations? I think we should follow common sense rules and regulations that protect us, yes, but anal ritual like crossing your heart and reciting someone elses idea of whatever, no? |
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Edited by
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I read it. All I can say is I have never been fond of ritual made up by people with a vested interest in programing other people. I dont' care what people do with the flag. Some guy somewhere has the flag all over his home, a throw for his couch, etc etc. Why the heck should I be bothered by that? Some one burns a flag, and that ruins me day or my life? Nope... Nope and you shouldn't have to. But our government asks us to do those things, not required but we are asked to. Don't you think if our government asks us to do something that our president should be willing to do it? Otherwise it's a "do as I say and not as I do" sort of thing and that I have no respect for. It's useless Davey! I can't even get an answer to wether the comander in chief should follow the same protocal of the military on this subject. To ask anything more is worse than pulling teeth. And you wont get them to answer the question. TJ, not everyone is going to think the way you do. You don't think the way I do and I am not at all frustrated by that. We just don't see things the same way. If we all thought exactly alike we might as well all be robots following ritual. I'm still looking for proof that he broke regulation (I don't give a ratz butt about tradition). But if he did I can't imagine why anyone would be ok with being asked to do something by someone who was unwilling to do it themselves. But hey if people are cool with that, fine by me. |
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Ok, I'll say this one last piece. I don't know if Obama broke regulation by not saluting a flag, I couldn't tell if there was one or not. And honestly I'd think of more as a faux pas than actually being disrespectful. But watching the video his fidgeting was worthy of a 6yo. As a president I really would expect better... perhaps it was just that god awful rendition of the national anthem
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Good, that means Obama gets to believe differently as well. Yes he can. However as president I would hold him to a slightly higher standard than everyone else. As I pointed out it is within our countries "regulations" that everyone should do this if the flag is present. It would seem inappropriate for our president to refuse to follow this whether he has to or not.They I respect that fact that you believe that but who made up those rules? So if some group makes up rules, everyone must follow suite? Where is our freedom in that? I expect my president to be educated and to be reasonable, but I do not expect him to go against his own personal expression. I still would like to know who made up all these rules and regulations? Curious. these "regulations" were written by our government who specifically I don't know where that would be recorded. I do know it goes back some years. It's not a matter of what "I believe" simple fact those regulations do exist and our government does ask us to follow them. You say you don't like anybod y "telling you what to do", nobody is telling you to do them (as far as these regulations are concerned) they are asking. And if someone asks me to do something then they better well do it themselves otherwise I have no respect for them. Now if you don't have a problem with Obama asking you to do something that he refuses to more power to you. the fact that it's a request and not an order gives me the option. Depending on what was asked, I would either consent or not do it. If Obama asked me to cross my heart and say the pledge, I would not do it. I don't care who asked, that is not something I would do. one can call that disrespectful all day long, but I do not find it so to refuse. It's a choice and I prefer not to. What am I missing? Is this not what you are asking? |
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because no one has answered it! Most of us have said what we thought. Repeating the question over and over is not going to get people to change their opinions. It's not a matter of opinion. Is obama comander in chief? ANSWER = YES Therefor he should be held to the standards the military has. Come on now, we are talking about someone who was never in the armed forces. I have a problem what that. Let it be any president, not specifically Obama, but any, I oppose any "commander in chief" who has not served in the military. It's a life changing experience to serve in any branches of the armed forces, I was a different person before I have served. I beleive you probably were different, that doesn't mean that if someone has not served that they are less qualified to serve as president. Funny I remember asking my brother that once, he did serve as well. He didn't agree with you on that one. But again I respect your right to feel that way. I just wouldn't agree with that. |
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What am I missing? Is this not what you are asking? Nope not what I'm asking at all (I think you probably know that but...). What I asked was what you would think of someone who asked you to do something but let you know he refused to do it himself. |
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I beleive you probably were different, that doesn't mean that if someone has not served that they are less qualified to serve as president. Funny I remember asking my brother that once, he did serve as well. He didn't agree with you on that one. But again I respect your right to feel that way. I just wouldn't agree with that. Well, we disagree, granted.  My main gripe about not being served in the Army is, that they don't have any idea knowing what they are asking the man in uniform when they send them into a battle. There is no way to know it unless you have done it yourself. And no, Bush' controversial air national guard service doesn't qualify either. |
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I read it. All I can say is I have never been fond of ritual made up by people with a vested interest in programing other people. I dont' care what people do with the flag. Some guy somewhere has the flag all over his home, a throw for his couch, etc etc. Why the heck should I be bothered by that? Some one burns a flag, and that ruins me day or my life? Nope... Nope and you shouldn't have to. But our government asks us to do those things, not required but we are asked to. Don't you think if our government asks us to do something that our president should be willing to do it? Otherwise it's a "do as I say and not as I do" sort of thing and that I have no respect for. It's useless Davey! I can't even get an answer to wether the comander in chief should follow the same protocal of the military on this subject. To ask anything more is worse than pulling teeth. And you wont get them to answer the question. TJ, not everyone is going to think the way you do. You don't think the way I do and I am not at all frustrated by that. We just don't see things the same way. If we all thought exactly alike we might as well all be robots following ritual. I'm still looking for proof that he broke regulation (I don't give a ratz butt about tradition). But if he did I can't imagine why anyone would be ok with being asked to do something by someone who was unwilling to do it themselves. But hey if people are cool with that, fine by me. Ok now I am bit confused, who asked who to do what? Did Obama ask for someone to do something ? I'm lost now. I would never ask someone to do something I would not wish to do. |
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Ok, I'll say this one last piece. I don't know if Obama broke regulation by not saluting a flag, I couldn't tell if there was one or not. And honestly I'd think of more as a faux pas than actually being disrespectful. But watching the video his fidgeting was worthy of a 6yo. As a president I really would expect better... perhaps it was just that god awful rendition of the national anthem Fidgeting is a sign of what? |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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this is a test...this is only a test
 it works Davey!!!!!!!!!!! 
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