Topic: The Anti-Bush Nobel Peace Prize
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Wed 10/14/09 03:05 PM

since 99 percent of the Nobel committee are jewish, in my opinion they gave it to him for his turning the other way with his dealing with Israel. I'm the first person to yell that US should not interfere with affairs overseas, however as a Palestinian, i'm offended when America trouts around the world pretending to be the bastian of Human Rights yet never pressures the UN about the atrocities being committed by Israel.



I think you're on the wrong track here. Israel is the least happy, ever since Obama was elected, and as far as I know from Jewish people (my mom has a lot of customers), they are as well think that this whole Nobel price to Obama is a giant joke.
..And on top of it, I don't think the Nobel comittee are 99% Jewish.

Regarding the Gaza/Israel problem, it has little to do with the Nobel prize or what Obama thinks or does, anything he'd say would be just inflaming the situation regarding the subject, even just the illegal settlement deal made a loud boom across the news, it's one of the most sensitive topic you'd find in the world today.

Strangely though, the ones are the loudest regarding the Gaza massacre are Jews themselves, believe it or not.

see:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/16/un_inquiry_finds_israel_punished_and

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Wed 10/14/09 03:08 PM








I don't know why you need to be so nasty about it. I simply didn't agree with you on the fidgetting. I never got a chance to answer your original question because I replied to your last post first. But there's no sense in answering it now.


Didn't you know you weren't supposed to disagree with him? :wink:


Anyone can disagree with me all they like, I'd just like to see people explain their position. There is much I don't agree with TJ with, but unlike others here when I ask a simple straight forward question I get a straight forward answer. Frankly I'm probably closer to agreeing with those who are arguing here with me. Anyway most others here just give some lame excuse as to why they think the question doesn't apply and refuse to answer. TJ gave his excuses why he didn't think it applied in this case, but he still answered the question. I singled out Boo because I've asked several direction questions and not gotten a single answer. That to me says she's never going to so what's the point debating. It's not a debate when the other person just goes off on some tangent when they can't defend their position. That's too much like a politician and I don't like politicians.


This thread has gotten so off topic that I'm not even sure what questions you're referring to anymore.


Yes, I know, and that particular discussion just made it worse as each time I'd ask a question referring to her statements she'd go off on another tangent to avoid the question. I could go back and get them but it really doesn't matter at this point. In a sense my questions have all been answered in that she obviously doesn't have answers as to why she feels the way she does. Which is what she should have said in the first place instead of trying to hide it. Ah well live and learn and life goes on :smile:. Hope you're having a great day, I know I am biggrin


It's her choice to feel the way she does. You seem to have the need for her to validate her opinion, which she doesn't really need to do. If you were not satisfied with her response, that's your issue, not hers. :smile:

As I recall some of the questoins asked weren't a matter of opinion. They were yes or no questions that in no way could be validated by an opinion.


Did either you men read my last post? The answer is NO. Forgive me for not giving my answer when it was expected of me.

And it 'is' an opinion, My opinion would dictate if I say yes or I say no to that question for pete sakes.

If Davey wants to call it a tangent, let him.

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Wed 10/14/09 03:12 PM









I don't know why you need to be so nasty about it. I simply didn't agree with you on the fidgetting. I never got a chance to answer your original question because I replied to your last post first. But there's no sense in answering it now.


Didn't you know you weren't supposed to disagree with him? :wink:


Anyone can disagree with me all they like, I'd just like to see people explain their position. There is much I don't agree with TJ with, but unlike others here when I ask a simple straight forward question I get a straight forward answer. Frankly I'm probably closer to agreeing with those who are arguing here with me. Anyway most others here just give some lame excuse as to why they think the question doesn't apply and refuse to answer. TJ gave his excuses why he didn't think it applied in this case, but he still answered the question. I singled out Boo because I've asked several direction questions and not gotten a single answer. That to me says she's never going to so what's the point debating. It's not a debate when the other person just goes off on some tangent when they can't defend their position. That's too much like a politician and I don't like politicians.


This thread has gotten so off topic that I'm not even sure what questions you're referring to anymore.


Yes, I know, and that particular discussion just made it worse as each time I'd ask a question referring to her statements she'd go off on another tangent to avoid the question. I could go back and get them but it really doesn't matter at this point. In a sense my questions have all been answered in that she obviously doesn't have answers as to why she feels the way she does. Which is what she should have said in the first place instead of trying to hide it. Ah well live and learn and life goes on :smile:. Hope you're having a great day, I know I am biggrin


It's her choice to feel the way she does. You seem to have the need for her to validate her opinion, which she doesn't really need to do. If you were not satisfied with her response, that's your issue, not hers. :smile:

As I recall some of the questoins asked weren't a matter of opinion. They were yes or no questions that in no way could be validated by an opinion.


Did either you men read my last post? The answer is NO. Forgive me for not giving my answer when it was expected of me.

And it 'is' an opinion, My opinion would dictate if I say yes or I say no to that question for pete sakes.

If Davey wants to call it a tangent, let him.

Yes I saw your last post. and my response was to someone else hence the quotes.
That person obviosly didn't see that and wants to continue argueing the piont even though they didn't see the question was answered

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Wed 10/14/09 04:10 PM
Edited by singmesweet on Wed 10/14/09 04:11 PM
Nevermind. Tired of people arguing. :smile:

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Wed 10/14/09 04:12 PM

Yes I saw your last post. and my response was to someone else hence the quotes.
That person obviosly didn't see that and wants to continue argueing the piont even though they didn't see the question was answered


I was just saying that it was her choice to feel the way she does. Plain and simple.

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Wed 10/14/09 05:32 PM










I don't know why you need to be so nasty about it. I simply didn't agree with you on the fidgetting. I never got a chance to answer your original question because I replied to your last post first. But there's no sense in answering it now.


Didn't you know you weren't supposed to disagree with him? :wink:


Anyone can disagree with me all they like, I'd just like to see people explain their position. There is much I don't agree with TJ with, but unlike others here when I ask a simple straight forward question I get a straight forward answer. Frankly I'm probably closer to agreeing with those who are arguing here with me. Anyway most others here just give some lame excuse as to why they think the question doesn't apply and refuse to answer. TJ gave his excuses why he didn't think it applied in this case, but he still answered the question. I singled out Boo because I've asked several direction questions and not gotten a single answer. That to me says she's never going to so what's the point debating. It's not a debate when the other person just goes off on some tangent when they can't defend their position. That's too much like a politician and I don't like politicians.


This thread has gotten so off topic that I'm not even sure what questions you're referring to anymore.


Yes, I know, and that particular discussion just made it worse as each time I'd ask a question referring to her statements she'd go off on another tangent to avoid the question. I could go back and get them but it really doesn't matter at this point. In a sense my questions have all been answered in that she obviously doesn't have answers as to why she feels the way she does. Which is what she should have said in the first place instead of trying to hide it. Ah well live and learn and life goes on :smile:. Hope you're having a great day, I know I am biggrin


It's her choice to feel the way she does. You seem to have the need for her to validate her opinion, which she doesn't really need to do. If you were not satisfied with her response, that's your issue, not hers. :smile:

As I recall some of the questoins asked weren't a matter of opinion. They were yes or no questions that in no way could be validated by an opinion.


Did either you men read my last post? The answer is NO. Forgive me for not giving my answer when it was expected of me.

And it 'is' an opinion, My opinion would dictate if I say yes or I say no to that question for pete sakes.

If Davey wants to call it a tangent, let him.

Yes I saw your last post. and my response was to someone else hence the quotes.
That person obviosly didn't see that and wants to continue argueing the piont even though they didn't see the question was answered


Well she didn't accuse me of things I was not doing so I have no problem with her. And I'm not into arguing it further myself.

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Wed 10/14/09 05:37 PM


Yes I saw your last post. and my response was to someone else hence the quotes.
That person obviosly didn't see that and wants to continue argueing the piont even though they didn't see the question was answered


I was just saying that it was her choice to feel the way she does. Plain and simple.


drinker

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Wed 10/14/09 08:24 PM
Edited by DaveyB on Wed 10/14/09 09:18 PM

And the answer is NO, I would not do something someone asked that would not do it themselves.


I don't know why I'm letting myself get sucked into this one last time, but this post was pointed out to me after I stopped reading your posts and now I feel I have to set things straight.

As always you didn't answer the question. You conveniently did not quote it so it's hard for others to tell. Just going by memory I suspect many would only recall the general gist of the question. first off it was NOT a yes or no question as you are trying to tell people. Here is the actual question I wrote.


DaveyB: Nope not what I'm asking at all (I think you probably know that but...). What I asked was what you would think of someone who asked you to do something but let you know he refused to do it himself.


Nothing about would you do it or not, but what do you think of someone like that.

And FTR this is only one of many questions you BS'ed your way around to avoid answering. I really don't believe you are fooling many people.

I come into this forum because I like to debate. Sometimes my opinion is changed or at least modified by people here (TJ managed to get me to modify my opinion a little). Occasionally I think managed to make some people at least think about their choices. I also like to see and understand how other people think. People who refuse to give any explanation as to why they think and they think they are fooling people with such subterfuge just frustrate me.

In the end because you seem so adamant about your belief I'd really like to have understood why. I would not have thrown so many questions toward you otherwise. But I came to the conclusion I was never going to get those answers. I don't think you actually have them it's simply how you feel. Nothing wrong with that either, but pretending you have practical reasons for the way you feel and engaging in a debate when you've no intention of actually debating is just a waste of my time.

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Wed 10/14/09 09:55 PM
Geezuz Davey, you just made me go back and double check for the question again, and guess what. I just found that I had answered your question way back on page 10 a few posts below your question.

And here all this time I was trying to defend myself against your accusations of not answering the question when I actually had answered it once already.

Boy you really did have me going there, Davey. Here I thought I had missed the question and was ticked off that you didn't give me the time to answer, and I had already answered it.. Geezuz

And by the way TJ said it was a yes or no question which did kind of puzzle me at the time, but never the less I not only answered your question before you accused me of not answering it, but I answered it again in the end when I spent time defending myself. Hell it's not surprising others would be confused, but if it's that important they could go back as well, at least to show I wasn't what you were accusing me of.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/250463?page=10

QUOTE: Boo
What am I missing? Is this not what you are asking?

REPLY: Davey
Nope not what I'm asking at all (I think you probably know that but...). What I asked was what you would think of someone who asked you to do something but let you know he refused to do it himself.

A FEW POSTS BELOW THAT:

Quote: Boo
Ok now I am bit confused, who asked who to do what? Did Obama ask for someone to do something ? I'm lost now. I would never ask someone to do something I would not wish to do.


That may not have been a perfect answer but you either missed it, or it wasn't good enough to be the answer you wanted. or whatever.. but it was an answer. If I wouldn't ask someone to do something I would not wish to do, it stands to reason I would not do something asked of me that they would not wish to do.


Are we done now?

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Wed 10/14/09 10:30 PM
Edited by DaveyB on Wed 10/14/09 10:32 PM

QUOTE: Boo
What am I missing? Is this not what you are asking?

REPLY: Davey
Nope not what I'm asking at all (I think you probably know that but...). What I asked was what you would think of someone who asked you to do something but let you know he refused to do it himself.

A FEW POSTS BELOW THAT:

Quote: Boo
Ok now I am bit confused, who asked who to do what? Did Obama ask for someone to do something ? I'm lost now. I would never ask someone to do something I would not wish to do.


That may not have been a perfect answer but you either missed it,


ROTFLMAO, no I saw that, problem is it's not an answer at all let alone an answer to the question, it is it's self a question. It's the same ol' BS you use every time you get a question you don't like. And the fact is the answer to this question was in my post that prompted your previous non-answer and why I had to rephrase it more simply.

Play dumb all you like, I know damn well you're smart enough to read the question and answer it. Why is it so hard for you to just answer or even say you don't have one? If you don't like where the answer leads then do like TJ did and tell me you don't think it applies (I still don't agree with him and I think it does apply) but he still answered the question. And FTR it was the question I asked TJ that had a yes or no answer.


Are we done now?


Oh yeah, we're done. I am definitely going back to not reading your posts. This time even if someone points one out to me, I'm not reading it. Life's to short to waste it BS like this.

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Wed 10/14/09 10:33 PM
Hey, guys, please get along.flowerforyou I like both of ya.

I know that we post with different tired levels and different moods and illnesses. Sometimes that changes things around here, ya know?

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Wed 10/14/09 10:40 PM
Edited by DaveyB on Wed 10/14/09 10:41 PM

Hey, guys, please get along.flowerforyou I like both of ya.

I know that we post with different tired levels and different moods and illnesses. Sometimes that changes things around here, ya know?



Not a problem for me winx. I don't see boo and I "getting along" in this section. But it's easily remedied by simply not posting to or about each other. I'm more than happy with that arrangement hopefully she'll do the same from here on :smile:

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Wed 10/14/09 10:44 PM
I am so confused, ,,,,Who asked whom to do what that they wouldnt do? Is the thread still about the peace prize or about some personal minglers stuff?

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Wed 10/14/09 10:49 PM

I am so confused, ,,,,Who asked whom to do what that they wouldnt do? Is the thread still about the peace prize or about some personal minglers stuff?


The thread had gotten off track and on to other Obama topics (it had before I joined the thread and didn't realize it at first). I promise not to draw it back off topic any more flowerforyou

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Wed 10/14/09 10:58 PM
Edited by boo2u on Wed 10/14/09 11:28 PM
Holy $hit, I just this minute realized that I never read the question correctly and worse I didn't read it correctly 3 times, even when I copied and pasted it twice. That of course doesn't get you off the hook for telling me what you did, but here goes..

Ok for the last time:

What would I think of someone who asked me to do something but let know he refused to do it themselves?

I would think he/she would have a lot of nerve asking me to do something he/she would not do themselves.

I am not sure what that has to do with Obama not crossing his heart, but at this point I am just glad I finally understood what you were actually asking.

Geezuz, I did get it right this time, no? If you tell me no I am going to scream....

The whole time I thought the question was what would you do if someone asked you to do something they were unwilling to do...

I apologize for not reading it as posed....

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Thu 10/15/09 11:44 AM

Holy $hit, I just this minute realized that I never read the question correctly and worse I didn't read it correctly 3 times, even when I copied and pasted it twice. That of course doesn't get you off the hook for telling me what you did, but here goes..

Ok for the last time:

What would I think of someone who asked me to do something but let know he refused to do it themselves?

I would think he/she would have a lot of nerve asking me to do something he/she would not do themselves.

I am not sure what that has to do with Obama not crossing his heart, but at this point I am just glad I finally understood what you were actually asking.

Geezuz, I did get it right this time, no? If you tell me no I am going to scream....

The whole time I thought the question was what would you do if someone asked you to do something they were unwilling to do...

I apologize for not reading it as posed....


People mis read things sometimes. No big deal!

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Thu 10/15/09 11:47 AM

Holy $hit, I just this minute realized that I never read the question correctly and worse I didn't read it correctly 3 times, even when I copied and pasted it twice. That of course doesn't get you off the hook for telling me what you did, but here goes..

Ok for the last time:

What would I think of someone who asked me to do something but let know he refused to do it themselves?

I would think he/she would have a lot of nerve asking me to do something he/she would not do themselves.

I am not sure what that has to do with Obama not crossing his heart, but at this point I am just glad I finally understood what you were actually asking.

Geezuz, I did get it right this time, no? If you tell me no I am going to scream....

The whole time I thought the question was what would you do if someone asked you to do something they were unwilling to do...

I apologize for not reading it as posed....


meatloafs read??? noway laugh :tongue:

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Thu 10/15/09 11:50 AM

Holy $hit, I just this minute realized that I never read the question correctly and worse I didn't read it correctly 3 times, even when I copied and pasted it twice. That of course doesn't get you off the hook for telling me what you did, but here goes..

Ok for the last time:

What would I think of someone who asked me to do something but let know he refused to do it themselves?

I would think he/she would have a lot of nerve asking me to do something he/she would not do themselves.

I am not sure what that has to do with Obama not crossing his heart, but at this point I am just glad I finally understood what you were actually asking.

Geezuz, I did get it right this time, no? If you tell me no I am going to scream....

The whole time I thought the question was what would you do if someone asked you to do something they were unwilling to do...

I apologize for not reading it as posed....


neener neener neener :wink:

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Thu 10/15/09 12:02 PM


Holy $hit, I just this minute realized that I never read the question correctly and worse I didn't read it correctly 3 times, even when I copied and pasted it twice. That of course doesn't get you off the hook for telling me what you did, but here goes..

Ok for the last time:

What would I think of someone who asked me to do something but let know he refused to do it themselves?

I would think he/she would have a lot of nerve asking me to do something he/she would not do themselves.

I am not sure what that has to do with Obama not crossing his heart, but at this point I am just glad I finally understood what you were actually asking.

Geezuz, I did get it right this time, no? If you tell me no I am going to scream....

The whole time I thought the question was what would you do if someone asked you to do something they were unwilling to do...

I apologize for not reading it as posed....


People mis read things sometimes. No big deal!


Well it certainly will not be the first or the last time I read something wrong, typically when I have too much on my mind like lately. Not a great excuse, but the best one I have.

It shouldn't be a big deal, I just wish Davey had given me the benefit of the doubt before assuming I was 'deliberately' being evasive or bs'ing. Though having misread it a few times, and still not answering it they way he was expecting did make it look as if I was being evasive.

Hell I misread my water bill yesterday and paid more than was shown, leaving me short on my phone bill. I was so pissed at myself because I was trying to do too many things at once while also trying to get to the water company before it closed.. ugh, I really needed to slow the hell down, but nooooooooooooo.

I also wished I had read the damn thing right the first time, I could have saved all this mess myself. Of course I am still not letting Davey off the hook for accusing me of being deceptive and bs'ing, when I was really just not paying close enough attention. But I did feel I owed him an apology for not reading it correctly, which might have prevented him from going off too.

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Thu 10/15/09 12:05 PM


Holy $hit, I just this minute realized that I never read the question correctly and worse I didn't read it correctly 3 times, even when I copied and pasted it twice. That of course doesn't get you off the hook for telling me what you did, but here goes..

Ok for the last time:

What would I think of someone who asked me to do something but let know he refused to do it themselves?

I would think he/she would have a lot of nerve asking me to do something he/she would not do themselves.

I am not sure what that has to do with Obama not crossing his heart, but at this point I am just glad I finally understood what you were actually asking.

Geezuz, I did get it right this time, no? If you tell me no I am going to scream....

The whole time I thought the question was what would you do if someone asked you to do something they were unwilling to do...

I apologize for not reading it as posed....


meatloafs read??? noway laugh :tongue:


Not well obviously...