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Topic: Being Upfront
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Mon 06/15/09 10:06 AM
You know what I'd like to see more of? Men being upfront and honest about things. Now, I'm not saying all men are like this, but from what I've seen and what other women have told me, many men avoid confrontation like the plague. It isn't that difficult to just be upfront about what you're thinking. If something isn't working out, let us know. It can't be that hard.

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Mon 06/15/09 10:08 AM
This isn't just in relationships. My boss is so non-confrontational he won't even have staff meetings.

Men just avoid. They stop calling, they say nothing.

Where the FVCK are the alpha males? Not the turds who want to go along to get along, seethe with resentment, and then call themselves nice guys later.

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Mon 06/15/09 10:10 AM
Edited by MisKim323 on Mon 06/15/09 10:11 AM
Yeah...but...it should never come to confrontation....discussing things as adults works for me....and I have found that women are this way also...it's not a man or woman thing...it's a people thing...as in all aspects of life...personally, I feel the biggest problem is that some just simply don't grow upohwell

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Mon 06/15/09 10:11 AM
I would imagine in some cases it's because they want to spare feelings, but in the long run it's best to be honest from the get go, who the hell has time for games...jmo

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Mon 06/15/09 10:12 AM

Yeah...but...it should never come to confrontation....discussing things as adults works for me....and I have found that women are this way also...it's not a man or woman thing...it's a people thing...as in all aspects of life...personally, I feel the biggest problem is that some just simply don't grow upohwell


The thing is, many men avoid talking at all because they don't want it to turn into confrontation.

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Mon 06/15/09 10:14 AM
does this not mean that not all but a lot (actually most - your word)
of the confrontations must be brung to the forefront by the female in the mix then

after all if most mean do not want to be confrontational and do not want to tell you something because it may bring on a confrontation

it is obvious then that most confrontations must be initiated by the woman then

never thought i would see teh day two women would admit this in such a short time frame less than 3 minutes apart

honesty what a breath of fresh air

thank you ladies

flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou


:wink: :wink: laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 06/15/09 10:15 AM
Yeah... they won't even have a conversation... or they are lazy. My boss... well I was doing some stuff that is my boss's job when my former boss left... and then I realized what I was doing and stopped. Now he thinks (new boss) that I'm not willing to help him out, despite my saying that had nothing to do with it. So instead he's making the secretary do all of it and she doesn't know how. So now I still have to fix the messes that creates....

I sent a nasty (I know, shocker) mail on Friday saying I wouldn't meet with any other defendants until we had a staff meeting.

We're meeting at 2!

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Mon 06/15/09 10:16 AM


Yeah...but...it should never come to confrontation....discussing things as adults works for me....and I have found that women are this way also...it's not a man or woman thing...it's a people thing...as in all aspects of life...personally, I feel the biggest problem is that some just simply don't grow upohwell


The thing is, many men avoid talking at all because they don't want it to turn into confrontation.
Yep. I was married to a "walk away from it guy"...seemed to think that if he wasn't proven wrong...then of course, he was right.

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Mon 06/15/09 10:16 AM
guess ya just cant please everyone, these men are being nice laugh

confrontation is not required for communication just saying


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Mon 06/15/09 10:16 AM
Words of Wisdom........

"Give thy thoughts no tongue,
Nor any unproportion'd thought his act.
Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar

Beware
Of entrance to a quarrel but, being in,
Bear't that th' opposed may beware of thee.

Give every man thy ear, but few thy voice;
Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgement.

This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man."

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Mon 06/15/09 10:18 AM
i am upfront and honest,what u see is what u get (yup i know its a raw deal!) winking

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Mon 06/15/09 10:18 AM

does this not mean that not all but a lot (actually most - your word)
of the confrontations must be brung to the forefront by the female in the mix then

after all if most mean do not want to be confrontational and do not want to tell you something because it may bring on a confrontation

it is obvious then that most confrontations must be initiated by the woman then

never thought i would see teh day two women would admit this in such a short time frame less than 3 minutes apart

honesty what a breath of fresh air

thank you ladies

flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou


:wink: :wink: laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh



You got it totally ass backwards.

Women try to have a CONVERSATION.... and the men won't do it. Or, there is a conversation the man ought to have, but simply doesn't.

That is the reason for the confrontations.

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Mon 06/15/09 10:20 AM

guess ya just cant please everyone, these men are being nice laugh

confrontation is not required for communication just saying




I wasn't saying there has to be confrontation.

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Mon 06/15/09 10:21 AM


guess ya just cant please everyone, these men are being nice laugh

confrontation is not required for communication just saying




I wasn't saying there has to be confrontation.


oh I know I was just standing up for those nice men :wink:


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Mon 06/15/09 10:21 AM

does this not mean that not all but a lot (actually most - your word)
of the confrontations must be brung to the forefront by the female in the mix then

after all if most mean do not want to be confrontational and do not want to tell you something because it may bring on a confrontation

it is obvious then that most confrontations must be initiated by the woman then

never thought i would see teh day two women would admit this in such a short time frame less than 3 minutes apart

honesty what a breath of fresh air

thank you ladies

flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou


:wink: :wink: laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh



What are you talking about?

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Mon 06/15/09 10:22 AM



guess ya just cant please everyone, these men are being nice laugh

confrontation is not required for communication just saying




I wasn't saying there has to be confrontation.


oh I know I was just standing up for those nice men :wink:




Except if they're avoiding talking about something, I wouldn't consider them nice men.

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Mon 06/15/09 10:23 AM

does this not mean that not all but a lot (actually most - your word)
of the confrontations must be brung to the forefront by the female in the mix then

after all if most mean do not want to be confrontational and do not want to tell you something because it may bring on a confrontation

it is obvious then that most confrontations must be initiated by the woman then

never thought i would see teh day two women would admit this in such a short time frame less than 3 minutes apart

honesty what a breath of fresh air

thank you ladies

flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou


:wink: :wink: laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


rofl

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Mon 06/15/09 10:23 AM
Confrontation is not a dirty word. Sometimes it's the best kind of journalism as long you don't confront people just for the sake of a confrontation.

Confrontation is something that I accept as part of the project though not its purpose.

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Mon 06/15/09 10:24 AM




guess ya just cant please everyone, these men are being nice laugh

confrontation is not required for communication just saying




I wasn't saying there has to be confrontation.


oh I know I was just standing up for those nice men :wink:




Except if they're avoiding talking about something, I wouldn't consider them nice men.


I know I am going to get slack, but why take that stance. If someone choses not to discuss any topic, what makes another feel that they are due an explanation or response.

I think all men are nice smitten laugh

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Mon 06/15/09 10:25 AM


does this not mean that not all but a lot (actually most - your word)
of the confrontations must be brung to the forefront by the female in the mix then

after all if most mean do not want to be confrontational and do not want to tell you something because it may bring on a confrontation

it is obvious then that most confrontations must be initiated by the woman then

never thought i would see teh day two women would admit this in such a short time frame less than 3 minutes apart

honesty what a breath of fresh air

thank you ladies

flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou


:wink: :wink: laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh



What are you talking about?


from op



many men avoid confrontation like the plague.



if the men are avoiding confrontation

then were does it come from

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