Topic: You can't win if you believe
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Mon 04/20/09 09:39 PM
She chose to not compromise her moral beliefs in order to get ahead in a stupid pageant. Must have been tough, working so hard to make it that far and then having to decide between giving a 'socially correct' response (especially coming from Miss California) or sticking to her values.

Good for her!

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Mon 04/20/09 09:40 PM


No it doesn't mean you can't be objective, it mean you aren't at the moment being objective in my opinion only. The fact is that you didn't notice. It stood out to me like a sore thumb, and that is to be expected


Why is it to be expected? are you somehow superior to me in intuition because you happen to be a homosexual?

Or perhaps is it that you are reading into things that aren't there to suit your own personal agenda?

There was nothing to notice...except what YOU THINK she MAY have INADVERTENTLY implied.


I think the question should be are you "Superior" over someone gay????????????

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Mon 04/20/09 09:44 PM
everyone has their opinions and their right to their opinions. Miss CA gave her opinion to a question that is a double edge sword

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Mon 04/20/09 09:46 PM



No it doesn't mean you can't be objective, it mean you aren't at the moment being objective in my opinion only. The fact is that you didn't notice. It stood out to me like a sore thumb, and that is to be expected


Why is it to be expected? are you somehow superior to me in intuition because you happen to be a homosexual?

Or perhaps is it that you are reading into things that aren't there to suit your own personal agenda?

There was nothing to notice...except what YOU THINK she MAY have INADVERTENTLY implied.


I think the question should be are you "Superior" over someone gay????????????

Ok, first I never even implied that I was in superior in anyway, I never made a statement that basically said "well, i can see something because I'm straight that you cannot" I was simply stating that if we are to remain objective we need to respect each others opinions EQUALLY.

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Mon 04/20/09 09:46 PM

everyone has their opinions and their right to their opinions. Miss CA gave her opinion to a question that is a double edge sword
Yes she did...She also got beat in the swimsuit and talent part. So did her answering the question cost her?????

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Mon 04/20/09 09:47 PM

everyone has their opinions and their right to their opinions. Miss CA gave her opinion to a question that is a double edge sword

and was punished for it.....I have a problem with that. No matter what side of the issue she was on...she shouldn't have been punished for her opinion.

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Mon 04/20/09 09:48 PM


everyone has their opinions and their right to their opinions. Miss CA gave her opinion to a question that is a double edge sword
Yes she did...She also got beat in the swimsuit and talent part. So did her answering the question cost her?????


according to Perez Hilton it did. she didn't win those other catagories but she won enough to move on to the finals. but Miss USA doesn't have talent....they have evening gown, swimsuit and interview (which is the last and most deciding catagory)

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Mon 04/20/09 09:50 PM


No it doesn't mean you can't be objective, it mean you aren't at the moment being objective in my opinion only. The fact is that you didn't notice. It stood out to me like a sore thumb, and that is to be expected


Why is it to be expected? are you somehow superior to me in intuition because you happen to be a homosexual?

Or perhaps is it that you are reading into things that aren't there to suit your own personal agenda?

There was nothing to notice...except what YOU THINK she MAY have INADVERTENTLY implied.



Holy Crap, no way, that is not what I meant at all, Isaac... Well wait, let's take the superior out of there, and let's just leave the intuition part, would that be ok? All I am saying is that because I am homosexual I might hear something that would not even raise your eyebrow. Can we agree on that?

I have no agenda. I never really know what people are talking about when it comes to the word agenda. What agenda? I can't mistake the words and their meanings here because I grew up christian, I know what they mean. look I would love to sit down with the woman and see what she really wanted to say. It might suprise us both what she might have said if her family and friends weren't sitting in the audience. But we will never know.


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Mon 04/20/09 09:51 PM
FTR...I don't believe boo has any agenda...she is stating her side of the coin (so to speak)

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Mon 04/20/09 09:52 PM
Let me just clarify the debate once and for all.

Neo-pluralistic philosophy basically says that everything is relative and there are no objective right and wrongs, and that's oversimplifying it to say the least but that's the basic idea. However there is a catch. You see, while everyone has the right to their own opinion, the person who says that someone else's opinion is wrong, is wrong. You see, people can believe that same sex marriage is permissible, and others can believe that it is not permissible, but the person who believes that it is wrong to believe that same sex marriage is permissible, is wrong according to pluralistic philosophy. CAN YOU SEE THE BI-STANDARD? Pluralism says that everyone has the right to his/her own opinion as long as that opinion does not consider someone else's as wrong.

To sum it all up, the same people who argue that they can choose what is right and wrong for themselves have to live with the fact that others can choose that their choice is wrong, because they're making the choice on the same pluralistic basis.

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Mon 04/20/09 09:52 PM


everyone has their opinions and their right to their opinions. Miss CA gave her opinion to a question that is a double edge sword
Yes she did...She also got beat in the swimsuit and talent part. So did her answering the question cost her?????


Is there any question if she said she supported gay marriage it wouldn't have held deeply in her favor?Those competetions are stupid and why people even watch them I have no idea.

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Mon 04/20/09 09:54 PM




No it doesn't mean you can't be objective, it mean you aren't at the moment being objective in my opinion only. The fact is that you didn't notice. It stood out to me like a sore thumb, and that is to be expected


Why is it to be expected? are you somehow superior to me in intuition because you happen to be a homosexual?

Or perhaps is it that you are reading into things that aren't there to suit your own personal agenda?

There was nothing to notice...except what YOU THINK she MAY have INADVERTENTLY implied.


I think the question should be are you "Superior" over someone gay????????????

Ok, first I never even implied that I was in superior in anyway, I never made a statement that basically said "well, i can see something because I'm straight that you cannot" I was simply stating that if we are to remain objective we need to respect each others opinions EQUALLY.


Funny what you just said made me think, Isaac. I probably would miss something that is straight, considering I have spent my whole life gay. You will have an advantage being straight, and I will have an different advantage being gay. No?

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Mon 04/20/09 09:56 PM
Edited by Unknow on Mon 04/20/09 09:57 PM



everyone has their opinions and their right to their opinions. Miss CA gave her opinion to a question that is a double edge sword
Yes she did...She also got beat in the swimsuit and talent part. So did her answering the question cost her?????


Is there any question if she said she supported gay marriage it wouldn't have held deeply in her favor?Those competetions are stupid and why people even watch them I have no idea.
"Those competetions are stupid and why people even watch them I have no idea"

I bet you watched the swimsuit competition!!!!

For being so stupid why are you showing your azz

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Mon 04/20/09 09:57 PM

Holy Crap, no way, that is not what I meant at all, Isaac... Well wait, let's take the superior out of there, and let's just leave the intuition part, would that be ok? All I am saying is that because I am homosexual I might hear something that would not even raise your eyebrow. Can we agree on that?

Sure if you can also agree that what it is you 'might' hear is something that you might be 'inserting'/'reading' wrong based on your own individual experiences.

And no I don't think because you are homosexual that you have any more intuition than the person sitting next to you.

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Mon 04/20/09 09:59 PM


everyone has their opinions and their right to their opinions. Miss CA gave her opinion to a question that is a double edge sword

and was punished for it.....I have a problem with that. No matter what side of the issue she was on...she shouldn't have been punished for her opinion.


I am with you on that one for sure. But again do we know it was the question that lost it for her? If it was just the question than I feel for her, and Perez would be answering for that. Unfortunately this could go badly for both communities. And all the familiar arguments will be rekindled all over again. I want Perez's ass for this even if it wasn't the question that lost it for her. Why, because it started something it should not have.

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Mon 04/20/09 10:00 PM




everyone has their opinions and their right to their opinions. Miss CA gave her opinion to a question that is a double edge sword
Yes she did...She also got beat in the swimsuit and talent part. So did her answering the question cost her?????


Is there any question if she said she supported gay marriage it wouldn't have held deeply in her favor?Those competetions are stupid and why people even watch them I have no idea.
"Those competetions are stupid and why people even watch them I have no idea"

I bet you watched the swimsuit competition!!!!

For being so stupid why are you showing your azz



For your info genius I saw the miss America competition once when I was in middle school.I haven't seen one since and my tv only plays movies and doesn't get cable or regular tv.

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Mon 04/20/09 10:00 PM



everyone has their opinions and their right to their opinions. Miss CA gave her opinion to a question that is a double edge sword

and was punished for it.....I have a problem with that. No matter what side of the issue she was on...she shouldn't have been punished for her opinion.


I am with you on that one for sure. But again do we know it was the question that lost it for her? If it was just the question than I feel for her, and Perez would be answering for that. Unfortunately this could go badly for both communities. And all the familiar arguments will be rekindled all over again. I want Perez's ass for this even if it wasn't the question that lost it for her. Why, because it started something it should not have.


boo...from the quotes i found even he says it lost it for her

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Mon 04/20/09 10:06 PM
She answered badly...she stumbled...

This question could not have been a surprise haha

Additionally...there was every chance she would have selected a different question. What if she answered that one badly too?

I imagine the vast liberal gay conspiracy folks made sure the daft blond heifer selected that question just so they could create a right wing martyr who would be the perfect example of right wing hate! Oh oh...just so the liberals could...

HA HA HA

Give me a break.

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Mon 04/20/09 10:07 PM



everyone has their opinions and their right to their opinions. Miss CA gave her opinion to a question that is a double edge sword
Yes she did...She also got beat in the swimsuit and talent part. So did her answering the question cost her?????


Is there any question if she said she supported gay marriage it wouldn't have held deeply in her favor?Those competetions are stupid and why people even watch them I have no idea.


Oh I feel so much better that now the pagents are as stupid as gay people.. grin.

Why would anyone assume that if she supported gays she would have had the favor of the audience. Would any sane person take that bet? She could have lost either way with that question, but to me it was a trap set by a jerk. Still doesn't mean that the question was the deciding factor, because if I was one of the judges, I would have been pissed that the question was even asked.

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Mon 04/20/09 10:09 PM
"I think that I believe"

Too funny.laugh

She either believes or she doesn't. Instead...she thinks that she believes in.....

Poor girl doesn't know what she believes.