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he read it like i did dragoness...that is what you said If they don't want to be citizens of the US anymore why don't they move to another country instead of trying to create their own. They are the minority on this issue. Reread it please and tell me where I said they are suppose to go to another country and find a place to make their own country. MOVING to another country is the same thing as GOING to another country 
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If they don't want to be citizens of the US anymore why don't they move to another country instead of trying to create their own. They are the minority on this issue. Ok, assuming that the majority of Texas was actually in agreement with the idea of succession (at present that is not so) what country do you think would allow that kind of mass migration? And just because people don't like the way our government is being run doesn't mean they think moving under another government is better, why should people not be allowed to determine their own government? I thought that was suppose to be the basis of our country. Mind you as I said it will never be allowed to happen wihtout civil war because their is too much money involved. You noticed a said they are the minority. When lefties get told by the righties to leave the country and that they are unAmerican if they disagree with the government, why can't the same be held to the righties? That is my point. Why get all militant when it was good enough for the lefties to leave if they disagree?? See? Secession is too drastic of a move, something else is going on anyway besides disagreement with how the government is running things. There is something malevolent underlying this move. |
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If they don't want to be citizens of the US anymore why don't they move to another country instead of trying to create their own. They are the minority on this issue. I'm sorry, where do you suppose they should form this new country? I don't think there's much land that isn't claimed by one country or another. even the south pole is divided into territories held by different countries. Beside why should they leave their homes? Their State? Their lives, so that you can have part of Thier state? Thank you Dave. Not wanting to seperate..but, it is really reassuring to know that some folks can empathize. If we do split off and you want to visit the friendly nation of Texas..I will happily pick you up at DFW and give you the tour...."Texas Friendly" is a life style... I've visited Texas a couple times and yes I loved the state and the people. |
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winx...I've been through the school system here and now my son....studying the other states comes from US history...so yes...they do learn that as well. and why not focus one the state you are in a little more than others???? I don't get the problem. I wouldn't have a problem if CA focused on CA history Our children study all history. Just saying. as do we...maybe we study more history then....we have texas, US and world history |
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If they don't want to be citizens of the US anymore why don't they move to another country instead of trying to create their own. They are the minority on this issue. I'm sorry, where do you suppose they should form this new country? I don't think there's much land that isn't claimed by one country or another. even the south pole is divided into territories held by different countries. Beside why should they leave their homes? Their State? Their lives, so that you can have part of Thier state? Thank you Dave. Not wanting to seperate..but, it is really reassuring to know that some folks can empathize. If we do split off and you want to visit the friendly nation of Texas..I will happily pick you up at DFW and give you the tour...."Texas Friendly" is a life style...let's here them say that about Colorado...I lived there...never seen so many fat, ugly unfriendly people in one spot in my entire life...and I have lived all over...I got treated better getting mugged in N.Y and N.C TEXAS does not have the right to seceede, and if they did their economy would flounder quick! |
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Gov. Rick Perry, in comments following an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday, never did advocate Texas breaking away from the United States but suggested that Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to leave the union. That was enough to feed opinions for and against secession on Web sites, cable TV and talk radio across the nation.
At the Texas Capitol on Thursday, Rep. Jim Dunnam of Waco, joined by several fellow Texas House Democrats, said some people associate talk of secession with racial division and the Civil War and that Perry should disavow any notion of seceding. "Talk of secession is an attack on our country. It can be nothing else. It is the ultimate anti-American statement," Dunnam said at a news conference. State Sen. Rodney Ellis, a Houston Democrat, said that by not rejecting the possibility of secession out of hand, Perry "is taking a step down a very dangerous and divisive path encouraged by the fringe of Texas politics." The Democrats are proposing a House resolution expressing "complete and total disagreement with any fringe element advocating the 'secession' of Texas or any other state from our one and indivisible Union." Perry emphasized Thursday that he is not advocating secession but understands why Americans may have those feelings because of frustration with Washington, D.C. He said it's fine to express the thought. He offered no apology and did not back away from his earlier comments. Perry's remarks Wednesday were in response to a question from The Associated Press as he walked away from the Austin rally, where some in the audience had shouted "Secede!" during his speech. The governor said he didn't think Texas should secede despite some chatter about it on the Internet and his name being associated with the idea. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090416/ap_on_re_us/perry_secession |
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krupa...right now i'm not for or against it since i am not sure of some things That, I completely respect honey. I am not looking for anyone to jump on the wagon with me..(I will have my opinions no matter what anyone else thinks) I love this country...(hate the way it is sliding south) (That is a metaphore Dragon so, cool your jets...I know the country is not physically moving down here to the place you detest so much) Don't hate the south at all. It is like stepping back in time to the civil rights period when you go down there. It is stuck in time, stuck in rut or something. Racial lines still stand down there and the few that don't stand anymore are not appreciated AT ALL by some of the whites. I am white so I get blessed with hearing their opinions of others and they are still racially biased at large levels. No bitterness, just don't get the non-movement into this century  As for my personal opinion on this subject, I haven't voiced it yet... just kidding. I am too proud of an American to even remotely entertain the thought of handing in my US citizenship and be rewarded rightfully by anarchy and descention. That is my personal opinion.  As a Southern man I must say that when I have visited Up North Yankee land, I noticed that they are much more racial than we are. The "Rascist southerner" is becoming a stereotype. Racists are everywhere. Only in southern town do they split population and require each race stay in their "designated" areas at fear of death, especially after dark. Only in the south would a noose be hung from a tree to show black folks they better stay away. I can go on and on.... Only in the south would the lunchrooms in schools be segregated voluntarily, experienced that one when I attended school there. There is a difference. In the south "it is the way it is" and nobody rocks the boat because the tension is too tight and they fear the break. We have racists here but they know better than to act like those of the south because there are a whole lotta whites like me who go to bat for others who might possibly be discriminated against.  The cities up north looked pretty segregated to me
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It is funny it seems like many countries have counties or districts that wishes to seperate themselves into a independent country. I am German from Bavaria and Bavaria always wanted to be a independent country seperated from Germany. If it will ever happen, I doubt it, but some say "never say never". I think it is just human nature that we always want something better. We are always searching a resolution that will satisfy our taste I would just say take a nationwide vote to get a answer. This will resolve the problem and the people can focus on other things. I also heard there are still quiet alot of islands for sale out there. The Texans could buy one and call it New Texas. I am talking about the Texans who want to have their own independent country. Just ideas popping through my head.  Guetentaag my good man! I do apprecieate the sentiment and rationale Smiless (the ss thing is a bit creepy for me cause I come from the survivors of Auschwits and Beuchenwald)..but, it wasn't your bad so, it is cool... My grand mothers are buried here..(planted one in the bone orchard on wednesday)..so are my grand fathers...as well as quite a few friends.... I could never...and would never...walk away from the grounds where the bodies of those that I love are buried. The whole.."If you don't like this country..leave it" is REALLY easy to say. I have served this country. I have shed blood for this country. I seriously doubt that many of the cows here can say the same...cause if they ever did make that sacrifice..or shed those tears...I really doubt that they would pitch out some of the callous and heartless answers I have heard here. (step up kids...this is your time to shine and put me down) You are up to the podium first Dragoness...remember...you will hit harder if you aim low baby. |
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krupa...right now i'm not for or against it since i am not sure of some things That, I completely respect honey. I am not looking for anyone to jump on the wagon with me..(I will have my opinions no matter what anyone else thinks) I love this country...(hate the way it is sliding south) (That is a metaphore Dragon so, cool your jets...I know the country is not physically moving down here to the place you detest so much) Don't hate the south at all. It is like stepping back in time to the civil rights period when you go down there. It is stuck in time, stuck in rut or something. Racial lines still stand down there and the few that don't stand anymore are not appreciated AT ALL by some of the whites. I am white so I get blessed with hearing their opinions of others and they are still racially biased at large levels. No bitterness, just don't get the non-movement into this century As for my personal opinion on this subject, I haven't voiced it yet... just kidding. I am too proud of an American to even remotely entertain the thought of handing in my US citizenship and be rewarded rightfully by anarchy and descention. That is my personal opinion. As a Southern man I must say that when I have visited Up North Yankee land, I noticed that they are much more racial than we are.The "Rascist southerner" is becoming a stereotype. Racists are everywhere. Only in southern town do they split population and require each race stay in their "designated" areas at fear of death, especially after dark. Only in the south would a noose be hung from a tree to show black folks they better stay away. I can go on and on.... Only in the south would the lunchrooms in schools be segregated voluntarily, experienced that one when I attended school there. There is a difference. In the south "it is the way it is" and nobody rocks the boat because the tension is too tight and they fear the break. We have racists here but they know better than to act like those of the south because there are a whole lotta whites like me who go to bat for others who might possibly be discriminated against. only in southern towns????? what about places like the bronx or other places like that??? that is too crazy for words. if they hung a noose on a tree here...they could get areested for a terroristic threat...and they can get sued for segregation in the school....we are in 2009 right??? |
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Fri 04/17/09 07:20 PM
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We're not really alone. 20 some odd other States have or are doing the paperwork to restore their Sovereignty, a prelude Secession. February 6th, 2009 States including Washington, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, Hawaii and New Hampshire have drafted bills reminding the Federal Government of their voluntary submission under the Tenth Amendment. Here is a list of the others claiming their Sovereignty; AL, AK, AR, CA, CO, GA,ID, IN, KS, ME, MO, NV, PA, SC Anybody here posting from Oklahoma? Where did you hear this? I searched and only found the Republican Liberty Caucus talking about it. I can't find in the Missouri House. Google this. 22 states seeking sovereignty I can't find it in the Missouri House or the St. Louis newspaper. I did find it on right wing sites. I'm still looking. |
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 i'm actually in agreement with mirror on the race subject
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If they don't want to be citizens of the US anymore why don't they move to another country instead of trying to create their own. They are the minority on this issue. I'm sorry, where do you suppose they should form this new country? I don't think there's much land that isn't claimed by one country or another. even the south pole is divided into territories held by different countries. Beside why should they leave their homes? Their State? Their lives, so that you can have part of Thier state? Thank you Dave. Not wanting to seperate..but, it is really reassuring to know that some folks can empathize. If we do split off and you want to visit the friendly nation of Texas..I will happily pick you up at DFW and give you the tour...."Texas Friendly" is a life style...let's here them say that about Colorado...I lived there...never seen so many fat, ugly unfriendly people in one spot in my entire life...and I have lived all over...I got treated better getting mugged in N.Y and N.C TEXAS does not have the right to seceede, and if they did their economy would flounder quick! I would be willing to take the chance. |
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Would it be catastrophic if each state became a independent nation? Actually I don't think it would be except that it would never be allowed to happen short of a major civil war. Nobody in Washington is going to allow that kind of loss of power and money. Not too mention it would be the loss of major world power. Oh wow, are we short of a major civil war? I guess I should pack up and head back home. Don't want bullets flying back and forth while buying some bread at a bakery 
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If they don't want to be citizens of the US anymore why don't they move to another country instead of trying to create their own. They are the minority on this issue. I'm sorry, where do you suppose they should form this new country? I don't think there's much land that isn't claimed by one country or another. even the south pole is divided into territories held by different countries. Beside why should they leave their homes? Their State? Their lives, so that you can have part of Thier state? Thank you Dave. Not wanting to seperate..but, it is really reassuring to know that some folks can empathize. If we do split off and you want to visit the friendly nation of Texas..I will happily pick you up at DFW and give you the tour...."Texas Friendly" is a life style...let's here them say that about Colorado...I lived there...never seen so many fat, ugly unfriendly people in one spot in my entire life...and I have lived all over...I got treated better getting mugged in N.Y and N.C TEXAS does not have the right to seceede, and if they did their economy would flounder quick! Why because the supreme court said so? You really think once people get completely fed up with the way things are being done they're going to give a rats butt what the supreme court said? |
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winx...I've been through the school system here and now my son....studying the other states comes from US history...so yes...they do learn that as well. and why not focus one the state you are in a little more than others???? I don't get the problem. I wouldn't have a problem if CA focused on CA history Our children study all history. Just saying. as do we...maybe we study more history then....we have texas, US and world history Why does that mean that you study more history? |
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Edited by
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i'm actually in agreement with mirror on the race subject Take two aspirin and call me in the morning. Really I agree too. 
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If they don't want to be citizens of the US anymore why don't they move to another country instead of trying to create their own. They are the minority on this issue. Ok, assuming that the majority of Texas was actually in agreement with the idea of succession (at present that is not so) what country do you think would allow that kind of mass migration? And just because people don't like the way our government is being run doesn't mean they think moving under another government is better, why should people not be allowed to determine their own government? I thought that was suppose to be the basis of our country. Mind you as I said it will never be allowed to happen wihtout civil war because their is too much money involved. You noticed a said they are the minority. When lefties get told by the righties to leave the country and that they are unAmerican if they disagree with the government, why can't the same be held to the righties? That is my point. Why get all militant when it was good enough for the lefties to leave if they disagree?? See? Secession is too drastic of a move, something else is going on anyway besides disagreement with how the government is running things. There is something malevolent underlying this move. I agree
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winx....we do study alot about our state history and if i read you correctly you don't study your as much. if i misunderstood i apologize. but even davey said they study cali history....so why is it wrong for us to study texas history on top of US and world?
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Fri 04/17/09 07:29 PM
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